Bison Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/capital-punishment-resumed-federal-government/story?id=64562882 Your take on that? Before you shove your anti-capital punishment junk on me, you should ask yourselves if Tim McVeigh should still be alive after killing 19 children in the OKC bombing.
Bison Posted July 25, 2019 Author Posted July 25, 2019 If you read about the five to be condemned, at least one of them is a white supremacist.
mugtang Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 47 minutes ago, Jalapeno said: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/capital-punishment-resumed-federal-government/story?id=64562882 Your take on that? Before you shove your anti-capital punishment junk on me, you should ask yourselves if Tim McVeigh should still be alive after killing 19 children in the OKC bombing. I know we discussed on the mwcboard but my answer is yes. He should be sitting in ADX Florence under 23 hour lockdown without any allowed contact with the outside world. He should’ve been given just enough nutrition to survive. He should not have had access to TV, radio, movies, books, magazines, anything. He should’ve been forced to just sit there 23 hours a day until he dies.
Quack 12 Posted July 25, 2019 Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Jalapeno said: Before you shove your anti-capital punishment junk on me You're one of the religious ones on the board, too, aren't you?
Bison Posted July 25, 2019 Author Posted July 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, Quack 12 said: You're one of the religious ones on the board, too, aren't you? Yup. I pee and take a dump everyday. And I do agree with an eye for an eye.
Bruin 70 Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 17 hours ago, Jalapeno said: If you read about the five to be condemned, at least one of them is a white supremacist. Agreed. Anyway SCSCSC can't answer anything without a tweet.
Bruin 70 Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 17 hours ago, Jalapeno said: Yup. I pee and take a dump everyday. And I do agree with an eye for an eye. Quacker is so far left he supports the evil one. Sometime I think they are one in the same could be?
Quack 12 Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 18 hours ago, Jalapeno said: Yup. I pee and take a dump everyday. And I do agree with an eye for an eye. I have no idea what your point is about using the toilet, but good for you. You may recall from your bible study that Jesus amended that OT rule. Jesus commanded people to “not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek, also.” Of course, this doesn't fit with your flag-waving, gun-toting, Jesus-loving narrative, even if it is the Lord's word. Could you be any more hypocritical? Capital Punishment doesn't deter crime and it doesn't save money, simply because the cost of appeals is far higher that the cost of incarceration. Oregon's most prolific serial killer, Dayton Leroy Rogers, has been on death row for 32 years. He gets 20 minutes out of his cell every day. He doesn't deserve a "humane" execution, he deserves to die in prison.
glduck Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 Wanting to limit the scope of the federal government while simultaneously wanting to give the federal government the power to kill its citizens is Peak Conservative.
KUGRDON Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Quack 12 said: I have no idea what your point is about using the toilet, but good for you. You may recall from your bible study that Jesus amended that OT rule. Jesus commanded people to “not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek, also.” Of course, this doesn't fit with your flag-waving, gun-toting, Jesus-loving narrative, even if it is the Lord's word. Could you be any more hypocritical? Capital Punishment doesn't deter crime and it doesn't save money, simply because the cost of appeals is far higher that the cost of incarceration. Oregon's most prolific serial killer, Dayton Leroy Rogers, has been on death row for 32 years. He gets 20 minutes out of his cell every day. He doesn't deserve a "humane" execution, he deserves to die in prison. The treatment Rogers is receiving does not match Jesus’ words either. Are you suggesting Christians adopt a literal interpretation to those of Jesus’s words you cite and let all criminals go unpunished or some other standard as you seem to. The latter seems to make more sense. If that’s the case, then Jalapeno and others like him should not be castigated on religious grounds for advocating for the death penalty. It seems there are enough reasons for opposing the death penalty, Racist application, lack of deterrence, possibility (certainty) of mistakes, etc. without pulling out some of Jesus’ words without the context of his full teachings (I will note that Jalapeno did the same by taking other words of the Bible out of context.
glduck Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, KUGRDON said: The treatment Rogers is receiving does not match Jesus’ words either. Are you suggesting Christians adopt a literal interpretation to those of Jesus’s words you cite and let all criminals go unpunished or some other standard as you seem to. The latter seems to make more sense. If that’s the case, then Jalapeno and others like him should not be castigated on religious grounds for advocating for the death penalty. It seems there are enough reasons for opposing the death penalty, Racist application, lack of deterrence, possibility (certainty) of mistakes, etc. without pulling out some of Jesus’ words without the context of his full teachings (I will note that Jalapeno did the same by taking other words of the Bible out of context. Christians: The Book is divine scripture and Jesus is the Messiah, our Lord God, and He is perfect. Also Christians: I mean, He said it, but here's what I think He meant.
KUGRDON Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, glduck said: Christians: The Book is divine scripture and Jesus is the Messiah, our Lord God, and He is perfect. Also Christians: I mean, He said it, but here's what I think He meant. Some non-Christians, and Christians for that matter, think they are the authority on what Christians think or should think as the discussion here establishes.
KUGRDON Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 Anybody play Golf Clash? I’m having a terrible day.
Quack 12 Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 1 hour ago, KUGRDON said: The treatment Rogers is receiving does not match Jesus’ words either. Are you suggesting Christians adopt a literal interpretation to those of Jesus’s words you cite and let all criminals go unpunished or some other standard as you seem to. The latter seems to make more sense. If that’s the case, then Jalapeno and others like him should not be castigated on religious grounds for advocating for the death penalty. It seems there are enough reasons for opposing the death penalty, Racist application, lack of deterrence, possibility (certainty) of mistakes, etc. without pulling out some of Jesus’ words without the context of his full teachings (I will note that Jalapeno did the same by taking other words of the Bible out of context. That's fair enough, but the only reason I know of Jalapeno's religious beliefs is because he's expressed them here, and from what I recall about my religious upbringing, capital punishment can't be justified by a Christian. And no, you cannot hide behind context to justify or interpret the bible's "teachings," but that's another argument entirely.
KUGRDON Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 About the only thing that can be said in support of the death penalty is it serves the need for justice and retribution for some victims (Who survive the crime) and/or their families. It doesn’t carry the argument for me, but it’s not a small thing. I think a Christian, or anyone else, could support the death penalty on those grounds. There is a strange civility in the air. Feels good.
Bison Posted July 27, 2019 Author Posted July 27, 2019 No one is perfect and for our actions, we will be all judged on Judgement Day. All I can say is I hope God finds me worthy enough to walk through the gates of heaven. I believe you feel the same way. No one will even know 100 percent of the Bible. It's nor my right to judge anyone either. I'm not going to say anyone is right or wrong in this case but we can always share scripture on this forum in a respectable way. I don't have any problems with LWOP but by having those people alive, they could influence the prisoners who are getting out to commit violence. There are a lot of white supremacist, Muslim, gangs, etc in prison to brainwash those that will come out. That is why anyone should support the DP as that person won't be able to influence the prisoners that way but there's also the martyr issue. It's going to be interesting if El Chapo is still able to run his drug empire from the most secure prison in the US but I'm not counting on that happening. Neither solution is perfect. As for the DP, the penteorbital isn't much different from being in surgery except you are not going to wake up again. Texas does their executions that way and without problems. They even use it to put your dog or cat to sleep. You better have the evidence and solid proof that the person is actually the murderer. You can make a big deal about executing innocent people but there are still innocent people serving LWOP sentences and they might not be getting out either plus they could be suffering worse than death row members did before being executed. Being raped in prison is one common experience that no one wants to experience. The people on death row generally have two appeal avenues while those lifers only have one chance unless they pled quility. Does lifers have it worse especially the ones that were found quility versus pleading guilty? Just read some of the cases of the five people scheduled to be executed and ask yourself if any of them shouldn't die. One is a white supremacist and one is a drug dealer who murdered his girlfriend's two daughters because they knew too much and other people to prevent them from testifying against him. One raped his two and a half year old daughter in addition to killing her over state lines I think. I dont expect all five to be executed but I think those three are as good as gone.
Quack 12 Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 On 7/26/2019 at 6:47 PM, Jalapeno said: I believe you feel the same way. Don't ever tell me what you think I believe, or don't believe. You know nothing about me, and your smug implication that you have some knowledge that I don't possess is insulting. [so much for civility]
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