Cease Fire to Fry Sauce (edit)

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 3/13/2025 at 9:58 AM, tailingpermit said:

Ukraine has already agreed to the ceasefire. 

It doesn’t go into effect until Russia agrees to it.

[AlpineSummer]

On 3/13/2025 at 11:44 AM, SharkTanked said:

And then we would've been talking about WWIII in 2014. Obama gave us 8 extra years of peace in our time. 

Hindsight is a whole lot easier than foresight, but that probably escapes some.  I mean, Trump 45 gave us four more years of peace ignoring RU grey war in Ukraine and many places elsewhere. 

Timing matters. Who here was for extreme measures against RU over Crimea in 2014?  The U.S. was at 80-90% of the drawdown of the ill-advised Afghan surge (O should have listened to Joe).  ISIS was on its rise.  The U.S. public had very little taste for more intervention nor any nuanced understanding of Ukraine.  Most still don't.  Putin took advantage then and will always do so, his mistakes notwithstanding. 

[The San Diegan]

On 3/13/2025 at 8:24 AM, SharkTanked said:

I remain very skeptical this happens. 

There was a good article on CNN yesterday in which it was pointed out that the fragility of a ceasefire along such a long front opens up the significant probability that something as benign as an amplified mousefart (my words, their sentiment) could have the disastrous effect of resulting in shots fired in a theater where RU command is highly centralized and the ability of a local commander to deescalate an inadvertent trigger event could very easily end up with an exchange of fire and subsequent termination of a ceasefire.

Furthermore, the article went on to make the observation that in such a situation, the Kremlin is likely to accuse Ukrainian forces of intentionally violating the ceasefire and the inherent risk that 47 could use such an unverified claim to permanently rescind aid and assistance this time.

[SleepingGiantFan]

On 3/13/2025 at 10:37 AM, tailingpermit said:

Think where we’d be right now if Obama had a set of balls to stop the invasion of Crimea?

I gave you a thumbs up for that but now add a caveat. Back then, we had no idea how impotent the Russian military had become but now we know. Think about it. The Ukrainians kicked the Russian navy's ass in the Black Sea and Ukrainian soldiers have essentially fought the Russian army and its North Korean assistants to a standstill. I'm almost certain if an armistice occurs that Putin will take a little time to regroup and then invade Moldova or one of the Baltic countries but they all should be much more prepared than Ukraine was back then. (Don't forget that Ukraine was so sure of peace that its nukes were surrendered.)

[son of a gun]

On 3/13/2025 at 1:47 PM, SleepingGiantFan said:

I gave you a thumbs up for that but now add a caveat. Back then, we had no idea how impotent the Russian military had become but now we know. Think about it. The Ukrainians kicked the Russian navy's ass in the Black Sea and Ukrainian soldiers have essentially fought the Russian army and its North Korean assistants to a standstill. I'm almost certain if an armistice occurs that Putin will take a little time to regroup and then invade Moldova or one of the Baltic countries but they all should be much more prepared than Ukraine was back then. (Don't forget that Ukraine was so sure of peace that its nukes were surrendered.)

The Baltics are much smaller and have little in the way of natural barriers and whatnot that could be used.

[azgreg]

 

[renoskier]

On 3/13/2025 at 9:10 AM, tailingpermit said:

Hippies that hate peace, what a world these days. 

can hippies still he hippies if they've lost all their hair?

[azgreg]

On 3/13/2025 at 12:11 PM, renoskier said:

can hippies still he hippies if they've lost all their hair?

[halfmanhalfbronco]

Isn't it good to finally have a President who is tough on Russia?

I think so

[AlpineSummer]

On 3/13/2025 at 1:17 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Isn't it good to finally have a President who is tough on Russia?

I think so

Thanks for the upvote on my post that now is the time to observe what follows.   

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 3/13/2025 at 1:19 PM, AlpineSummer said:

Thanks for the upvote on my post that now is the time to observe what follows.   

It's nice to be hopeful.  And to have reason to be hopeful.

We just needed a president who is tough on Russia, and we got it with Trump 2.0

[halfmanhalfbronco]

What we need to ask ourselves now while we are observing what follows, is what did Putin have on Biden?  Why was Biden so weak on Russia, compared to Trump?

Was it a sex tape with underage disabled Russian kids?  I bet it was.

[SharkTanked]

On 3/13/2025 at 12:17 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Isn't it good to finally have a President who is tough on Russia?

I think so

We will see. He hasn't had to be that tough yet.

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 3/13/2025 at 1:23 PM, SharkTanked said:

We will see. He hasn't had to be that tough yet.

So the threat of a stick is battery that requires an ER trip when we tell NATO to step up or make Panama stop giving Xi blow jobs, but it's not that with Russia.

This is all so confusing to me.

 

[AlpineSummer]

On 3/13/2025 at 1:21 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

It's nice to be hopeful.  And to have reason to be hopeful.

We just needed a president who is tough on Russia, and we got it with Trump 2.0

It's too early for that perspective.  

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 3/13/2025 at 1:26 PM, AlpineSummer said:

It's too early for that perspective.  

I'm smiling.

It was too early for the perspective that Trump was going to decide how to carve up Ukraine with Putin and how he would sell them out etc...etc...yet we had THOUSANDS of posts doing just that the past year.  Enemy of the West..etc...etc...

Let me have my fun on a topic that has had very little reason to make light jokes.

[SharkTanked]

On 3/13/2025 at 12:25 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

So the threat of a stick is battery that requires an ER trip when tell NATO to step up, but it's not that with Russia.

This is all so confusing to me.

 

I think we all know Putin doesn't change course on threats alone. Especially when he has committed pretty much everything to this cause.

I think in this situation, Putin is likely going to force Trump to make good on his threats.

We will see if that happens.

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 3/13/2025 at 1:28 PM, SharkTanked said:

I think we all know Putin doesn't change course on threats alone. Especially when he has committed pretty much everything to this cause.

I think in this situation, Putin is likely going to force Trump to make good on his threats.

We will see if that happens.

It's nice to have a President tough enough on Russia to be willing to actually, meaningfully go after their banking.  Biden probably had other interests regarding his families finances and or Putin had kompromat on him.

Only thing that makes sense on why he was so weak on Russia and refused to talk the hard talk that Trump has

[halfmanhalfbronco]

Another question we need to be asking while we wait and hope for the best.

Was Joe Biden compromised by the KGB in the 1980's?  Had they turned him into a soviet asset whose loyalty followed with Putin's rise to power?.

There is a lot of reason to assume so.

And did he fuck all those kids in Yekaterinburg in 1978?  Was that the turning point?

 

[SharkTanked]

On 3/13/2025 at 12:31 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

It's nice to have a President tough enough on Russia to be willing to actually, meaningfully go after their banking.  Biden probably had other interests regarding his families finances and or Putin had kompromat on him.

Only thing that makes sense on why he was so weak on Russia and refused to talk the hard talk that Trump has

Or Putin is just a smart guy knowing:

1. Trump only wants peace and to say he did it.

2. Trump doesn't care what Ukraine wants because they are a weak country.

3. Trump doesn't care what NATO wants because they are weak countries.

So Putin knows he can get what he wants in the name of Trump creating "peace." Afterall, what is more "peaceful" than a completely disarmed Ukraine that is completely beholden to Russia?

Joe wanted what our allies want. To stop Russian aggression in Europe. I guess he thought it would take more than tough talk?