Goodbye Dept of Education.

[Hashbrowns]

On 3/5/2025 at 8:08 PM, bornontheblue said:

They have fueled massive tuition inflation. They caused more problems than they solved 

Helped a generation of poor gain college education. I think you are underestimating the good. Like African-Americans going from 5% having degree to now 26%. Same type of increased earning potential among all demographics.

[bornontheblue]

On 3/5/2025 at 9:16 PM, Hashbrowns said:

Helped a generation of poor gain college education. I think you are underestimating the good. Like African-Americans going from 5% having degree to now 26%. Same type of increased earning potential among all demographics.

African Americans also are disproportionately  harmed by crippling student loan debt, and were disproportionately targeted by degree mills seeking their student loan patients. 
 

[BSUTOP25]

I’m not sad to see the department of education go, it was a highly inefficient agency. That said, our country doesn’t fund or support education the way it should. We’re not going to keep up with the rest of the world when it comes to innovation as a result of the demonization of education.

[Cowboy Up]

Wyoming is ranked #7 in the US in education.  We do a damn good job overall.  Always room for improvement for sure.  There is some money wasted also.  What scares me is the freesumb caucus running our state education!  Dumb fucks like AA telling educators how to do their jobs scares the hell out of me.

[AztecAlien]

More slanderous shit from team filth. Not even in the conversation but somehow get mentioned. 

[BSUTOP25]

On 3/5/2025 at 9:33 PM, AztecAlien said:

More slanderous shit from team filth. Not even in the conversation but somehow get mentioned. 

Maybe it’s because you leach off disability and have countless hours of free time to post on every single thread.

[AztecAlien]

On 3/5/2025 at 9:45 PM, BSUTOP25 said:

Maybe it’s because you leach off disability and have countless hours of free time to post on every single thread.

LMFAO. 

[stanfordchef]

On 3/5/2025 at 8:29 PM, Cowboy Up said:

Wyoming is ranked #7 in the US in education.  We do a damn good job overall.  Always room for improvement for sure.  There is some money wasted also.  What scares me is the freesumb caucus running our state education!  Dumb fucks like AA telling educators how to do their jobs scares the hell out of me.

Some of the districts there have a lot of money. We had an indoor Olympic sized pool in meeteetse when I went there. 
 

agreed tho. The braindead right wingers who flock there threaten a good thing. 

[AztecAlien]

On 3/5/2025 at 9:49 PM, stanfordchef said:

Some of the districts there have a lot of money. We had an indoor Olympic sized pool in meeteetse when I went there. 
 

agreed tho. The braindead right wingers who flock there threaten a good thing. 

You do realize Wyoming is 80% Republican, right? 

[Sactowndog]

On 3/5/2025 at 8:24 PM, BSUTOP25 said:

I’m not sad to see the department of education go, it was a highly inefficient agency. That said, our country doesn’t fund or support education the way it should. We’re not going to keep up with the rest of the world when it comes to innovation as a result of the demonization of education.

This.  This video by Brooks speaks to some of the issues.  
 

 

[son of a gun]

I've said it before; yes, the Department of Education is flawed as hell. A lot of waste there.

But just dumping it? There are a LOT of school districts that rely on federal funding for standard tools, equipment, and even just feeding the kids lunch when they come in during the week. Rather than getting rid of it, it needs to be changed from the inside out. How many poor school districts are gonna get fucked over because of this? How many kids?

"Saving money" my ass. Would save tens of millions, chucking Elon and DOGE out the door right there. Would literally save trillions, undoing the last tax cuts Trump gave the rich from his first term.

Did the overall government beauracracy need to be fixed? Yes. Does that mean firing tens of thousands of government workers, wholesale? Entire departments, even? No. Hell, because of that, they've already had to "undo" thousands of said firings. And instead, streamline how things operate. But that would mean actually doing real work. Work that would benefit the US overall. Can't have that though. Assholes.

[SalinasSpartan]

On 3/5/2025 at 8:16 PM, Hashbrowns said:

Helped a generation of poor gain college education. I think you are underestimating the good. Like African-Americans going from 5% having degree to now 26%. Same type of increased earning potential among all demographics.

I went to SJSU with a group of guys from my hometown. We were all Pell grant recipients. Not really sure how many of us would have gotten our BAs had we not gotten those. I probably wouldn’t have.

[SalinasSpartan]

On 3/5/2025 at 8:08 PM, bornontheblue said:

They have fueled massive tuition inflation. They caused more problems than they solved 

Eliminate the federal management of this and give the $$ as direct grants to states. 

 

We would probably see our federal funding increased through direct grants 

You could make that argument about Stafford loans, but not Pell Grants. They aren’t big enough to blame for that. 

[SalinasSpartan]

Just to clear up stuff so people don’t fall for dumb talking points. Stafford Loans are often blamed for the tuition cost explosion, because schools knew they could increase tuition up to the amount of the loans, since most students can get them and they are willing to take them out. And yea, that argument that these government backed loans drove up costs makes a lot of sense and is likely true.

But making that same argument about Pell grants doesn’t work. Unlike Stafford loans, Pell grants aren’t available to most students, and even then most that qualify don’t get the full amount. Also, they aren’t enough to cover tuition. Just a quick google shows that FULL Pell grants are currently over $7,000 per year while SJSU’s instate tuition is over $8,000 per year. I used SJSU as an example because CSUs have some of the lowest instate tuition in the country, and full Pell grants aren’t even enough to cover tuition there. And of course, that is JUST tuition, not the other costs associated with attending.

[mysfit]

On 3/5/2025 at 8:52 PM, SharkTanked said:

Make America Survive Again?

Doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

Nice try talking to the fossil.

We got a long previously without a department of energy in times when we didn't have nuclear power, solar and wind power.

One would think adding those to existing types of energy could easily justify a depart to oversee and manage them

Only dinosaurs trot out that false equivalency argument of we didn't need it/;got along fine without it before and look what happened to them.

Things change. Unless your a dinosaur which means your set in stone and a fossil. Explains a lot.

[happycamper]

On 3/5/2025 at 8:52 PM, AztecAlien said:

You do realize Wyoming is 80% Republican, right? 

you are the kind of republican who moves to wyoming. not the kind who is from there. 

 

[happycamper]

On 3/5/2025 at 9:20 PM, son of a gun said:

I've said it before; yes, the Department of Education is flawed as hell. A lot of waste there.

But just dumping it? There are a LOT of school districts that rely on federal funding for standard tools, equipment, and even just feeding the kids lunch when they come in during the week. Rather than getting rid of it, it needs to be changed from the inside out. How many poor school districts are gonna get fucked over because of this? How many kids?

"Saving money" my ass. Would save tens of millions, chucking Elon and DOGE out the door right there. Would literally save trillions, undoing the last tax cuts Trump gave the rich from his first term.

Did the overall government beauracracy need to be fixed? Yes. Does that mean firing tens of thousands of government workers, wholesale? Entire departments, even? No. Hell, because of that, they've already had to "undo" thousands of said firings. And instead, streamline how things operate. But that would mean actually doing real work. Work that would benefit the US overall. Can't have that though. Assholes.

i mean overall the government bureaucracy did its job. made us a first world country. 

the attitude of it is somehow broken or it needs destroyed is insane, incompetent, or staggering ignorance. 

[mysfit]

The Department of Education fills a very real need but it's at the heart a DEI need so of course the OSG and project 2025 want it gone. An educated workforce is a threat to their goal of the bulk of tax dollars going to the wealthy and eliminating all those programs and departments which do not serve THEM. Anything else can be privatized on order for THEM to make money off of. No more free services.

2025 views education as a threat and rightly so. Certainly it, like most of the other departments, could be more efficient.

But with a scalpel wielded with knowledge and a goal of efficiency and functionality. Not a wrecking ball intent on destroying everything down to the basement. We need a Department of education. And you MAGAts need deprogramming.

[mysfit]

Dept of Education has been a cabinet level Department since 1860. It was reorganized in 1980.  That's no "experiment"

That ratfuckbastard needs to be stopped. Him and his Nazi saluting buddy.

 

ABC News reports that sources familiar with a draft of the executive order say it instructs Linda McMahon to close the department by taking all the available steps “permitted by law”.

McMahon herself has previously suggested it would require congressional approval to shutter the department, which has over 4,000 employees and an annual budget of about $240bn.

ABC News reports the draft order says “The federal bureaucratic hold on education must end. The department of education’s main functions can, and should, be returned to the states.”

The order is then reported to describe the agency as an “experiment of controlling American education through Federal programs and dollars.”

Education has been a cabinet level department in the federal government since the 1860s, with the department taking its present form in 1980 after a reorganisation by the late president Jimmy Carter.

Trump’s order is expected to say that this has “failed our children, our teachers, and our families”. McMahon is a former CEO of World Wrestling Entertainment.

[AztecAlien]

On 3/6/2025 at 6:11 AM, happycamper said:

you are the kind of republican who moves to wyoming. not the kind who is from there. 

 

And you moved to the red State of Tennessee. Weird.