Calls by GOP for US about to abandon our allies and leave NATO

[CoachKenFTW]

On 3/2/2025 at 10:51 PM, Sactowndog said:

No but she is laying the groundwork by stating we don’t have shared values.  
 

MAGA wants to kill NATO 

Euros killed NATO

[azgreg]

On 3/2/2025 at 2:56 PM, mugtang said:

Leaving NATO is shortsighted and cutting off our nose to spite our face.  Leaving NATO will lead to the collapse of the US led western world.  Our allies will abandon us as we will no longer be considered a reliable partner.  South Korea & Japan will likely pursue nuclear weapons to protect against an aggressive North Korea & China.  The US dollar will be abandoned as the reserve currency, instead will be replaced by a basket of currencies.   This will lead to an economic depression in the United States as the government will be forced to take austerity measure because people will stop buying our debt.  I'm sure I'm just being alarmist but I just don't see anything good coming from us leaving NATO.

If we continue down this path the isolationists will get their wish and we'll find out what it's like being a much larger North Korea.

 

[BSUTOP25]

Wow — Never thought I would live to see the day when “Republicans” would switch alliances from NATO to an imperialist dictatorship. 

[happycamper]

On 3/2/2025 at 10:33 PM, NorCalCoug said:

Go read the Ukraine war thread on the other board.  Russia was a complete paper tiger to the same folks now acting like they’re some military superpower on this board.  It is humorous to watch how the tune has changed to fit the new echo chamber narrative.

They're certainly a soft power superpower. They have you wrapped around their finger lol

[happycamper]

On 3/3/2025 at 2:47 AM, mugtang said:

JFC that's completely unnecessary.  

 

On 3/3/2025 at 3:07 AM, thelawlorfaithful said:

It’s fine. Let him talk. It doesn’t do me any harm.

I mean. He's wrong in that that wasn't who led SS camps. The people who led SS camps were monsters. But he's right in that there were millions of "little nazis" who supported just a bit of anti-semitism. They liked the order and looks of the Nazi party and the economic boom the middle class that the Nazis brought (by confiscating millions of Jews' property and distributing it to middle class Christian Germans). It was the "little nazis" that let Hitler and the Nazis have power in the first place. 

[azgreg]

On 3/3/2025 at 7:44 AM, BSUTOP25 said:

Wow — Never thought I would live to see the day when “Republicans” would switch alliances from NATO to an imperialist dictatorship. 

It blows me away. Never thought Id see it in my lifetime.

 

[InnZoneU]

On 3/3/2025 at 7:50 AM, happycamper said:

I mean. He's wrong in that that wasn't who led SS camps. The people who led SS camps were monsters. But he's right in that there were millions of "little nazis" who supported just a bit of anti-semitism. They liked the order and looks of the Nazi party and the economic boom the middle class that the Nazis brought (by confiscating millions of Jews' property and distributing it to middle class Christian Germans). It was the "little nazis" that let Hitler and the Nazis have power in the first place. 

I know it as fact because my father's side grandparents did exactly this (not referring to SS camps, just normal citizens).  I heard all the stories first hand.  Most Germans supported Nazis.  A lot of it had to do with benefiting financially from the Jewish businesses, land and homes that were seized and sold at huge discounts.  Some just turned a blind eye.  Some reported Jews to the Wermacht.  There was a resistance, but it wasn't large and sort of detrimental to staying alive.

Also, they just made a movie about this exact thing.

[Old_SD_Dude]

On 3/2/2025 at 10:58 PM, UtGrizfan said:

NATO is already dying unless things change, everyone is celebrating the 2 billion the UK gave Ukraine recently but ignoring the 22 Billion the EU sent to Russia in 2024 alone. 

Are you referring to natural gas purchases?

[CPslograd]

On 3/2/2025 at 10:44 PM, Sactowndog said:

What she said was as follows:

"there's something fundamentally deeper here that shows a huge difference and divergence between" U.S. values and national security versus European countries offering continued support for the war. 
 

and btw now Sen Lee is echoing it.  This shit doesn’t happen without Trumps backing. 
 

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/elon-musk-nato-donald-trump-b2707635.html#

Right, that's not at all the same thing as saying we should leave NATO

[CPslograd]

On 3/2/2025 at 11:42 PM, Sactowndog said:

Tell that to Mike Lee.   
 

but hey why stop with the Europeans.  Hard to be in NATO when we are trying to take over Canada and Greenland

https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/us/51st-state-donald-trumps-closest-advisor-peter-navarro-threatens-to-redraw-canadian-border-amid-presidents-talk-of-the-country-becoming-next-u-s-state/amp_articleshow/118637040.cms

 

you keep telling yourself supporting Trump can’t be that bad and then it gets worst.  Soon you will be leading an SS Camp.   

That article makes the accusation that Navarro talked about border changes, but doesn't give any context or say what the "threat" was.  And Navarro denies it.  There isn't even a quote from someone who says it happened, the article just sort of floats it out there.  You gotta have more than that

[CPslograd]

On 3/3/2025 at 7:44 AM, BSUTOP25 said:

Wow — Never thought I would live to see the day when “Republicans” would switch alliances from NATO to an imperialist dictatorship. 

I'm a little surprised that you've become so much of an interventionist for someone who has always claimed to be a libertarian.

If you cut through the noise, what the administration has said is there needs to be a peace deal and that Ukraine will no longer enjoy an infinite amount of military aid if they choose to continue the war.  Biden never committed US troops to Ukraine either, in fact he explicitly took it off the table just prior to the invasion.  Neither Obama, Trump 1, Biden or Trump2 have ever committed to that.  And why are we even talking about peacekeepers if there is no peace to keep?

It is not radical to think that Ukraine is not a hill the US should die on.  It's not radical to second guess the addition of the Baltic States and some of the southeastern countries to NATO either.  But that's done.

[AztecAlien]

The shills on this board are abundant. Just keep repeating the same thing over and over, and the zombies will buy all of it. 

Opinion hit pieces from the progressive Irish Times and Bluesky.

Claims with links that have nothing to do with the claims. 

Republicans hate America and are Nazis.

Russia is weak.

Fuck the U.S.; Extend the war, Europe has got this.

Just randomly tag posters, make stuff up and slander them if they have different opinions. All this while in their cozy little bubble. 

LMFAO. 

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 3/3/2025 at 7:50 AM, happycamper said:

 

I mean. He's wrong in that that wasn't who led SS camps. The people who led SS camps were monsters. But he's right in that there were millions of "little nazis" who supported just a bit of anti-semitism. They liked the order and looks of the Nazi party and the economic boom the middle class that the Nazis brought (by confiscating millions of Jews' property and distributing it to middle class Christian Germans). It was the "little nazis" that let Hitler and the Nazis have power in the first place. 

Deranged old man doesn’t like that poster read his link and pointed out it doesn’t say what he purports it does so he claims poster is a genocidal mass murderer. Happy jumps in to “well ackshually”. More at 11.

[happycamper]

On 3/3/2025 at 1:10 PM, thelawlorfaithful said:

Deranged old man doesn’t like that poster read his link and pointed out it doesn’t say what he purports it does so he claims poster is a genocidal mass murderer. Happy jumps in to “well ackshually”. More at 11.

If you want to take this route you have some serious self-reflection to your own personal values and loyalties to do. 

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 3/3/2025 at 10:14 AM, happycamper said:

If you want to take this route you have some serious self-reflection to your own personal values and loyalties to do. 

What route? Is there another level of villainy I can reach beyond Amon Goth? Do I get to be Rose from Titanic?

[CPslograd]

On 3/3/2025 at 10:18 AM, thelawlorfaithful said:

What route? Is there another level of villainy I can reach beyond Amon Goth? Do I get to be Rose from Titanic?

Rose was hot, in kind of a trampy way.  Winslet isn't physically beautiful but there is something about her.

[UtGrizfan]

On 3/3/2025 at 10:16 AM, AztecAlien said:

The shills on this board are abundant. Just keep repeating the same thing over and over, and the zombies will buy all of it. 

Opinion hit pieces from the progressive Irish Times and Bluesky.

Claims with links that have nothing to do with the claims. 

Republicans hate America and are Nazis.

Russia is weak.

Fuck the U.S.; Extend the war, Europe has got this.

Just randomly tag posters, make stuff up and slander them if they have different opinions. All this while in their cozy little bubble. 

LMFAO. 

Same old same old, and they wonder why they got their asses kicked in the last election. When in doubt "everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi" is their only play, hope they keep it up going to ensure the left won't win any election in the USA anytime soon. 

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 3/3/2025 at 10:31 AM, CPslograd said:

Rose was hot, in kind of a trampy way.  Winslet isn't physically beautiful but there is something about her.

Call her trampy again and you and 12 year old lawlor will settle the matter with pistols, sir.

[CPslograd]

On 3/3/2025 at 8:32 AM, Old_SD_Dude said:

Are you referring to natural gas purchases?

Yah, he keeps throwing that out as if they are equivalent.

It's valid to point out the cynicism of Germany in this, but buying fossil fuels from Russia isn't the same thing as foreign aid to Ukraine.

[UtGrizfan]

On 3/3/2025 at 9:32 AM, Old_SD_Dude said:

Are you referring to natural gas purchases?

Natural Gas and other Energy purchases, the EU depends on Russia for 20% of its energy. They claim to hate Russia and love Ukraine, but are literally helping Russia fight Ukraine.