NVGiant Waste of Time Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 10:06 AM, AztecAlien said: Maybe, but the Democratic Party destroyed any chance of Bernie Sanders becoming president and they lost. I agree with Bernie on a lot of issues. But I am not sure I would vote for him today. Bernie is too old, regardless of party dynamics. I was just using him as an example. My point was that the middle class is clearly thirsty for populism. And in that environment it would be tough for any middle-road candidate from either party to resonate. Whether that's still the case in four years, I have no idea. The electorate is fickle. Quote
Akkula Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 12:15 PM, NVGiant Waste of Time said: Bernie is too old, regardless of party dynamics. I was just using him as an example. My point was that the middle class is clearly thirsty for populism. And in that environment it would be tough for any middle-road candidate from either party to resonate. Whether that's still the case in four years, I have no idea. The electorate is fickle. You wanna REALLY piss them off? Quote
The San Diegan Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 10:03 AM, AztecAlien said: I agree, but our lawmakers follow the money regardless of the letter associated with them. We have the power with voting, but it doesn’t seem to be working. Because of a blatant abuse of gerrymandering to ensure Congress has a 90+% incumbency rate despite a 10% approval rating. However, while the numbers show the GOP greatly benefitted from this through 2016, over the past few election cycles the delta between popular vote and congressional representation has shrunk considerably, so I don't know how much gerrymandering is still to blame. IMO if we can get the fucking money out of our elections cycles, tell the very idea of cable news to go fuck itself, and make every American who votes take a refresher civics course to be eligible (good luck on getting any of that to fly), we're get healthy again. But something about monkeys flying out of my butt on a snowy day in hell comes to mind... 2 Quote
AztecAlien Posted February 4 Author Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 11:15 AM, NVGiant Waste of Time said: Bernie is too old, regardless of party dynamics. I was just using him as an example. My point was that the middle class is clearly thirsty for populism. And in that environment it would be tough for any middle-road candidate from either party to resonate. Whether that's still the case in four years, I have no idea. The electorate is fickle. I agree with the age part. But he was 75 in 2016. Biden was 78 in 2020. Trump is 78. The Democrats sabotaged Bernie Sanders and themselves. I voted for him in the Utah Democratic caucus in 2016. Quote
InnZoneU Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 10:17 AM, The San Diegan said: Because of a blatant abuse of gerrymandering to ensure Congress has a 90+% incumbency rate despite a 10% approval rating. However, while the numbers show the GOP greatly benefitted from this through 2016, over the past few election cycles the delta between popular vote and congressional representation has shrunk considerably, so I don't know how much gerrymandering is still to blame. IMO if we can get the fucking money out of our elections cycles, tell the very idea of cable news to go fuck itself, and make every American who votes take a refresher civics course to be eligible (good luck on getting any of that to fly), we're get healthy again. But something about monkeys flying out of my butt on a snowy day in hell comes to mind... I don't think we can hit the reset button anymore, the damage has been done. We'll be doing elections Big Brother or AGT style with text votes to determine the winner. Idiocracy is literally being played out in real time. 1 Quote
NVGiant Waste of Time Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 10:16 AM, Akkula said: You wanna REALLY piss them off? I was listening to Jon Stewart's interview AOC a couple of weeks ago. And I was wondering whether she might play better than some might think. She sure offers that similar economic populist message that Bernie championed. What made Bernie intriguing across party lines is that he wasn't a culture warrior, though. And I'm not sure AOC could get past that. 1 Quote
mysfit Posted February 4 Posted February 4 The losers in all this are the average American people. Doesn't matter where you fall on the political spectrum. Only on the economic one. Unless you're in the top 10% you're losing and screwed. Quote
SalinasSpartan Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 9:57 AM, happycamper said: I don't really think it is "middle vs left". I think that dichotomy got blown to oblivion by Trump. I think it is more wall street vs main street, or labor vs money. And whatever you think of Trump, he's successfully positioned himself on the side of main street, somehow, despite being an east coast elitist nepo baby and despite all his politics. I think that the democrats have a private consultant capture issue. From the reporting I've heard on the DNC, on what they told Kamala, on how to handle the election... there's an insulated professional class of private consultants who are very out of touch and who try to act like the liberals who love corporations. call it gavin newsome as a political class. Then you have guys like Walz, who is further left economically than the Democratic center, but who is more popular and actually has a message, unlike the party as a whole. The consultant class has done a great job muzzling the pro labor wing of the democrats, to the detriment of the party imo. Seems like careerism keeps most Dem politicians or consultants from doing anything outside the mainstream Dem norms. If they just run the same playbook and lose, then it was just the political environment or “THE LEFT!!!!!” that was the problem, and political advisors/campaign strategists or candidates can just try again if the right people like them. But if you actually try something new and fail, well then it’s your fault and your career prospects are fucked. 3 Quote
CoachKenFTW Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 9:58 AM, The San Diegan said: We just need to get money the fuck out of politics, period. That would mean getting rid of social security and every other tax funded program that politicians use to bribe voters. So it's highly unlikely the courage of your convictions is behind that statement. 1 Quote
The San Diegan Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 11:16 AM, CoachKenFTW said: That would mean getting rid of social security and every other tax funded program that politicians use to bribe voters. So it's highly unlikely the courage of your convictions is behind that statement. No it wouldn't. Jfc you're selectively dense... I mean, you really think in order to overturn CU, get the fuck rid of superpacs, and actually enforce the fucking Constitution we'd have to shitcan social security? GTFO with that ideological nuthuggery. You're about as pragmatic as a used condom. 2 Quote
UNLV2001 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 10:15 AM, NVGiant Waste of Time said: Bernie is too old, regardless of party dynamics. I was just using him as an example. My point was that the middle class is clearly thirsty for populism. And in that environment it would be tough for any middle-road candidate from either party to resonate. Whether that's still the case in four years, I have no idea. The electorate is fickle. After returning the LOSS back to the White House despite a litany of things that have disqualified & gonged candidates in the previous century -- I have come to the conclusion that most of the American electorate is illiterate to anything beyond their basic mood at the moment Have to give the LOSS credit that no other president has managed to do and that is create a cult of drooling morons that are blindly loyal to the LOSS no matter how stupid, idiotic, moronic things around the LOSS get, they will be there to, attack US institutions (literally & figuratively), buy whatever 'product' the LOSS puts out to enrich himself..........and the LOSS has singularly taken over a major political party to the point few, if any, would say or do anything that does not please their cult leader Quote
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