azgreg Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/3/2025 at 3:13 PM, NorCalCoug said: Meanwhile liberals are still like… Meanwhile you're still like a giant twat. 1 1 1 1 Quote
AztecAlien Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/3/2025 at 4:47 PM, Akkula said: Yeah I am sure you brownshirts would love to send me to gitmo reeducation camp too. 4-0 Quote
Old_SD_Dude Posted February 4 Posted February 4 I find the threatened Canada tariff baffling. According to CBP data, approximately 1.5% of persons, and 0.2% of the fentanyl, entering the country illegally cross the Canadian border. Canada has been a very loyal ally up until now. Canada is the largest importer of American goods in the world, 18% of our total exports, which is rather remarkable given the small population. Nothing that is now being touted as Canada’s capitulation on the border is any different than what was agreed to two months ago in consultation with the incoming Administration. What was the point other than grandstanding and was it worth alienating a key ally and trading partner? 4 Quote
CPslograd Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/3/2025 at 3:31 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said: It literally didn't though. Check Panama. They were all set to go ahead and join the Belt and Road initiative and were drawing closer to Beijing. They just did a complete 180 That's an interesting take. I think I might agree with you regarding Panama and the canal. I'm going to mull that one over and get back to you. I actually don't feel like the Canada and Mexico tariff threat achieved anything except make Trump look ridiculous and encourage anti americanism amongst our neighbors. And I do think Trump backed down very quickly based on the Dow Jones this morning, he just extracted face saving public "concessions" that are likely to mean nothing or not really happen. 5 Quote
Old_SD_Dude Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/3/2025 at 3:31 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said: It literally didn't though. Check Panama. They were all set to go ahead and join the Belt and Road initiative and were drawing closer to Beijing. They just did a complete 180 Panama is already part of Belt and Road. They’re letting the agreement expire in a few months. Quote
halfmanhalfbronco Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/3/2025 at 11:00 PM, Old_SD_Dude said: Panama is already part of Belt and Road. They’re letting the agreement expire in a few months. No, they have not. They had an MOU 1 Quote
thelawlorfaithful Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/3/2025 at 7:00 PM, Old_SD_Dude said: I find the threatened Canada tariff baffling. According to CBP data, approximately 1.5% of persons, and 0.2% of the fentanyl, entering the country illegally cross the Canadian border. Canada has been a very loyal ally up until now. Canada is the largest importer of American goods in the world, 18% of our total exports, which is rather remarkable given the small population. Nothing that is now being touted as Canada’s capitulation on the border is any different than what was agreed to two months ago in consultation with the incoming Administration. What was the point other than grandstanding and was it worth alienating a key ally and trading partner? Embarrassing Trudeau was reason enough for Trump. I don’t think it has to be more complicated than that. 1 Quote
halfmanhalfbronco Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/3/2025 at 8:00 PM, Old_SD_Dude said: I find the threatened Canada tariff baffling. According to CBP data, approximately 1.5% of persons, and 0.2% of the fentanyl, entering the country illegally cross the Canadian border. Canada has been a very loyal ally up until now. Canada is the largest importer of American goods in the world, 18% of our total exports, which is rather remarkable given the small population. Nothing that is now being touted as Canada’s capitulation on the border is any different than what was agreed to two months ago in consultation with the incoming Administration. What was the point other than grandstanding and was it worth alienating a key ally and trading partner? The only point was to flex soft power. The end. Canada is a one of the top 12 most powerful countries in the world. They aint Ukraine. Quote
Akkula Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 12:55 AM, thelawlorfaithful said: Embarrassing Trudeau was reason enough for Trump. I don’t think it has to be more complicated than that. It didn't seem that you guys have much more on your agenda than 'lib owning" and virtue signaling. Trumps first term was utterly exhausting with "look at me" attention grabbing for every news cycle. But if you look at what he actually DID of substance there was little more than a temporary tax cuts for the wealthy, shitting on the constitution/law and personal enrichment. That is how his second term has started. He literally has ZERO legislative plans he has promoted despite controlling all levers of government It is all executive orders that can be wiped away in an instant. If he keeps up zero accomplishment and backing down, the "libs" will be quite happy. Donald Trump cannot shepherd legislation through. That is why he is so ineffective. He can bitch but not make all the changes he constantly brags about. He doesn't know how. That is why he can win elections but flails in power. The best president's get major legislation passed. Mediocre presidents get mediocre legislation passed. Terrible presidents cannot get anything passed. But we all know you all will declare VICTORY if he doesn't get major immigration reform passed. You will blame " the libs" Canada, and Mexico for failing. The cult leader is never wrong! Quote
happycamper Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/3/2025 at 5:33 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said: Not a lot but he has absolutely flexed our soft power in a way not seen since Teddy. He got 3 easy "wins" in our hemisphere which is a GOOD thing. It signals to China and the rest of the world to make no mistake, this is our hemisphere. He also has momentum in the Middle East, and no I am not giving him whole or even much credit for it, but he does. I have to disagree halfman. trade policy is based on two things, demand and trust. eroding trust in future american trade deals puts things like a western hemisphere nafta or another TPP in jeopardy, The advantage we would have had with TPP would be enormous. This kind of action is penny wise pound foolish. 2 Quote
Akkula Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Wall Street Journal-Owned by Liberal Rupert Murdoch--says this was not an overwhelming victory for Trump. Trump Blinks on North American Tariffs - WSJ But Trumpists keep Trumpin! Quote
Akkula Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 6:14 AM, happycamper said: I have to disagree halfman. trade policy is based on two things, demand and trust. eroding trust in future american trade deals puts things like a western hemisphere nafta or another TPP in jeopardy, The advantage we would have had with TPP would be enormous. This kind of action is penny wise pound foolish. Yeah, I expect that Canada is SERIOUSLY re-evaluating its reliance on the USA. I expect Europe is SERIOUSLY reconsidering its reliance on the USA too. They are going to make plans for the future that don't rely on a mercurial dictator in the USA. And for what? We have gotten nothing! But, no mind, Quote
happycamper Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 7:25 AM, Akkula said: Yeah, I expect that Canada is SERIOUSLY re-evaluating its reliance on the USA. I expect Europe is SERIOUSLY reconsidering its reliance on the USA too. And for what? We have gotten nothing! But, no mind, no, canada is stuck. mexico has been doing a great job of extending free trade to the whole developed world, but they're still going to have to deal with us too. europe? we have both built our industries and transportation infrastructure around each other. but the TPP? something similar to the TPP in about to explode economically Africa? south and central asia? South America outside of Chile? it is going to be much more difficult to have a counter to the belt and road initiatives now. Quote
Akkula Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 6:29 AM, happycamper said: no, canada is stuck. mexico has been doing a great job of extending free trade to the whole developed world, but they're still going to have to deal with us too. europe? we have both built our industries and transportation infrastructure around each other. but the TPP? something similar to the TPP in about to explode economically Africa? south and central asia? South America outside of Chile? it is going to be much more difficult to have a counter to the belt and road initiatives now. I read somewhere that Canada couldn't really shut off the oil to the USA because all of their pipelines go south and none go across their own country from coast to coast. I also read that they don't refine hardly any of their gas. They send the raw oil to the USA and reimport a lot of the refined gas. Europe also has an intense need to move away from Russian oil and gas. Europe and Canada really need to get together on oil and gas. This little episode really underscores how vulnerable Canada is to a mercurial president and neighbor. I would also highly suggest that they work out a deal to send car parts, lumber, and various other resources to the EU without tariffs. I don't think Canada is as stuck and dependent on the USA as we think in the long-term. I think one think I have come to conclude in international trade is this. If your are just exporting raw materials from the ground or bananas or something. You are always going to get the short end of the stick in international trade. Quote
azgreg Posted February 4 Posted February 4 https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/02/americas/panama-china-belt-and-road-initiative-rubio-visits-intl-latam/index.html Though Mulino told Rubio that Panama’s sovereignty over the canal was not up for debate, he also said he had addressed Washington’s concerns over Beijing’s purported influence around the waterway. Panama would not renew a 2017 memorandum of understanding to join China’s overseas development initiative, known as the Belt and Road initiative, Mulino said, also suggesting that the deal with Beijing could end early. Quote
happycamper Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 8:04 AM, Akkula said: I read somewhere that Canada couldn't really shut off the oil to the USA because all of their pipelines go south and none go across their own country from coast to coast. I also read that they don't refine hardly any of their gas. They send the raw oil to the USA and reimport a lot of the refined gas. Europe also has an intense need to move away from Russian oil and gas. Europe and Canada really need to get together on oil and gas. This little episode really underscores how vulnerable Canada is to a mercurial president and neighbor. I would also highly suggest that they work out a deal to send car parts, lumber, and various other resources to the EU without tariffs. I don't think Canada is as stuck and dependent on the USA as we think in the long-term. I think one think I have come to conclude in international trade is this. If your are just exporting raw materials from the ground or bananas or something. You are always going to get the short end of the stick in international trade. Saudi Arabia, uh, disagrees Quote
NVGiant Waste of Time Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/3/2025 at 7:00 PM, Old_SD_Dude said: I find the threatened Canada tariff baffling. According to CBP data, approximately 1.5% of persons, and 0.2% of the fentanyl, entering the country illegally cross the Canadian border. Canada has been a very loyal ally up until now. Canada is the largest importer of American goods in the world, 18% of our total exports, which is rather remarkable given the small population. Nothing that is now being touted as Canada’s capitulation on the border is any different than what was agreed to two months ago in consultation with the incoming Administration. What was the point other than grandstanding and was it worth alienating a key ally and trading partner? Grandstanding was the point, I’d guess 2 Quote
Akkula Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 7:39 AM, happycamper said: Saudi Arabia, uh, disagrees Saudi Arabia is going to be in a world of hurt when they no longer have any oil to extract or when we move to a different fuel source. What the hell else have they invested in their economy to produce? If oil ever falls out of favor or another country finds oil that is cheaper, they will be nothing. A hot as shit sand pile. Quote
happycamper Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 9:12 AM, Akkula said: Saudi Arabia is going to be in a world of hurt when they no longer have any oil to extract or when we move to a different fuel source. What the hell else have they invested in their economy to produce? If oil ever falls out of favor or another country finds oil that is cheaper, they will be nothing. A hot as shit sand pile. I mean. Detroit is in a world of pain because manufacturing elsewhere was cheaper. New England cities built on industry are also in a world of hurt. Nothing is guaranteed 1 Quote
RSF Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 8:12 AM, Akkula said: Saudi Arabia is going to be in a world of hurt when they no longer have any oil to extract or when we move to a different fuel source. What the hell else have they invested in their economy to produce? If oil ever falls out of favor or another country finds oil that is cheaper, they will be nothing. A hot as shit sand pile. Which is why they built up their sovereign wealth fund. It current sits at about a trillion dollars. And they have about 50 years of known reserves. Quote
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