smltwnrckr Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 1/31/2025 at 9:13 PM, FresnoFacts said: Trump thought telling the federal government to open the spillways on Sierra foothill dams south of Fresno would solve California issues with wildfires and farming. “Consistent with the direction in the Executive Order on Emergency Measures to Provide Water Resources in California, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is releasing water from Terminus Dam at Lake Kaweah and Schafer Dam at Success Lake to ensure California has water available to respond to the wildfires,” wrote Gene Pawlik, a supervising public affairs specialist in the Army Corps’ Washington, D.C. office." Trumps sees it as: But putting it into practice on his do-it-now timetable is problematic both this week as well as this coming summer. Nor is everyone happy, especially Central Valley farmers. "Tulare County water managers were perplexed and frustrated, noting both physical and legal barriers that make it virtually impossible for Tulare County river water to be used for southern California fires. First, it would have to be pumped at great expense across the San Joaquin Valley to get to the California Aqueduct and then travel hundreds of miles south. Second, this isn’t “loose” water free for the taking. “Every drop belongs to someone,” said Kaweah River Watermaster Victor Hernandez. “The reservoir may belong to the federal government, but the water is ours. If someone’s playing political games with this water, it’s wrong.”" https://sjvwater.org/trumps-emergency-water-order-responsible-for-water-dump-from-tulare-county-lakes/ . " Vink said local water officials heard Thursday afternoon that the Army Corps planned to “go from a fairly nominal release to channel capacity in two hours.” A release of that magnitude, he said, would normally be coordinated days in advance, in part because farmers might have expensive farm equipment placed near riverbanks. There are also homeless encampments near some riverbanks, and officials would want to make sure people were out of the way and not in danger before unleashing so much water." https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2025-01-31/trump-california-dams-opened-up . "Dumping the water from Lake Kaweah and Success Lake poses a flood risk to downstream communities, he said, like the town of Porterville, which nearly flooded during rainstorms in 2023. It also reduces the amount of irrigation water available to farmers during the driest months of the year. The snowpack in the Southern Sierra Nevada that California depends on for water supplies in the summer has dipped to 47 percent of average for this time of year after a dry January, according to state estimates released Friday. “We need to keep every bit that we have, because this potentially is irrigation water that we have up there,” Hernandez said." https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/31/trump-california-water-00201909 something that is only implied here, but important - while that water is used for irrigation, my understanding is that those Amry Corps dams are for flood control first. they help keep the huge lakes south of fresno in the valley from becoming lakes again. so, our great leader is making those dams do the exact opposite of what they're there for. fun! #MakeNatureGreatAgain!!!!!! Quote
smltwnrckr Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 9:53 AM, AztecAlien said: Context? What happens next year or the year after? How were those reservoir levels prior to 2022? And would you like to address why LA Firefighters were not prepared and Palisades reservoir was offline during the fires? https://www.nbclosangeles.com/investigations/outside-investigations-to-examine-ladwps-empty-reservoir-during-palisades-fire/3617569/ https://www.nbclosangeles.com/investigations/outside-investigations-to-examine-ladwps-empty-reservoir-during-palisades-fire/3617569/ You just won't admit when the people running the State of California are the problem for anything. lulz. 1 Quote
AztecAlien Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 10:55 AM, smltwnrckr said: lulz. Why was that reservoir empty? 1 Quote
Wyobraska Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 10:56 AM, AztecAlien said: Why was that reservoir empty? Because it was getting repaired. 2 Quote
smltwnrckr Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 9:56 AM, AztecAlien said: Why was that reservoir empty? because you have to empty reservoirs to do significant work on their infrastructure. but that reservoir had nothing to do with why the palisades burned. again... lol, u r dum. 2 Quote
AztecAlien Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 10:57 AM, Wyobraska said: Because it was getting repaired. There's more to that as well. California needs a trillion dollars because the state ignored a failings infrastructure for decades while blowing through billions of dollars on failed green projects. Quote
AztecAlien Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 10:59 AM, smltwnrckr said: because you have to empty reservoirs to do significant work on their infrastructure. but that reservoir had nothing to do with why the palisades burned. again... lol, u r dum. Decades of failed infrastructure ignored while billions were spent on failed programs. How's that bullet train working out? Quote
Old_SD_Dude Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 9:53 AM, AztecAlien said: Context? What happens next year or the year after? How were those reservoir levels prior to 2022? And would you like to address why LA Firefighters were not prepared and Palisades reservoir was offline during the fires? https://www.nbclosangeles.com/investigations/outside-investigations-to-examine-ladwps-empty-reservoir-during-palisades-fire/3617569/ https://www.nbclosangeles.com/investigations/outside-investigations-to-examine-ladwps-empty-reservoir-during-palisades-fire/3617569/ You just won't admit when the people running the State of California are the problem for anything. There are plenty of things wrong with the way California is run. But please name me one item in this thread that is under the jurisdiction of the state. I don’t see one. 3 Quote
Wyobraska Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 11:02 AM, AztecAlien said: There's more to that as well. California needs a trillion dollars because the state ignored a failings infrastructure for decades while blowing through billions of dollars on failed green projects. That isn't something that is specific to CA though. Every state has billions in infrastructure that needs to be repaired/replaced because everyone has ignored it for decades. 3 Quote
smltwnrckr Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 10:02 AM, AztecAlien said: There's more to that as well. California needs a trillion dollars because the state ignored a failings infrastructure for decades while blowing through billions of dollars on failed green projects. The santa ynez reservoir isn't owned or operated by the state of california. it's also not very big. 1 Quote
smltwnrckr Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 10:04 AM, AztecAlien said: Decades of failed infrastructure ignored while billions were spent on failed programs. How's that bullet train working out? hey, if you are arguing that it's long-term folly to grow plants in the desert, you have an argument. you should join the sierra club. they agree with you. Quote
AztecAlien Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 11:05 AM, smltwnrckr said: The santa ynez reservoir isn't owned or operated by the state of california. it's also not very big. You can keep back-pedaling all you want. California ignored its infrastructure problem for decades and now it's coming back to haunt them. 1 2 Quote
smltwnrckr Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 10:07 AM, AztecAlien said: You can keep back-pedaling all you want. California ignored its infrastructure problem for decades and now it's coming back to haunt them. lol. keep beating the drum of the san ynez reservoir (a tiny pond not owned by the state) is somehow illustrative of how the state is being ruined by progressive policies. again... u r dum. Quote
AztecAlien Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 11:09 AM, smltwnrckr said: lol. keep beating the drum of the san ynez reservoir (a tiny pond not owned by the state) is somehow illustrative of how the state is being ruined by progressive policies. again... u r dum. And again, you can't admit the failed policies and programs that have hurt the state of California and cost taxpayers billions of dollars in waste. Wait until the sewer systems completely fail. 1 Quote
AztecAlien Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 11:04 AM, Old_SD_Dude said: There are plenty of things wrong with the way California is run. But please name me one item in this thread that is under the jurisdiction of the state. I don’t see one. What? There are many infrastructure issues that are under the jurisdiction of the State of California, including not all, but many dams, state highways, state water projects, state energy projects, just to name a few. 1 1 Quote
Billings Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 10:04 AM, AztecAlien said: Decades of failed infrastructure ignored while billions were spent on failed programs. How's that bullet train working out? pretty much true of most states. Infrastructure in the South and Texas is crumbling 2 1 Quote
smltwnrckr Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 10:12 AM, AztecAlien said: And again, you can't admit the failed policies and programs that have hurt the state of California and cost taxpayers billions of dollars in waste. Wait until the sewer systems completely fail. Yea, I'm the one backtracking. genius. You're defending the use of flood control dams to flood a place. Genius. Quote
Old_SD_Dude Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 10:25 AM, AztecAlien said: What? There are many infrastructure issues that are under the jurisdiction of the State of California, including not all, but many dams, state highways, state water projects, state energy projects, just to name a few. Still waiting for you to name anything in this thread under jurisdiction of the state. 4 Quote
smltwnrckr Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 10:34 AM, Old_SD_Dude said: Still waiting for you to name anything in this thread under jurisdiction of the state. You're gonna be waiting for a while. 2 Quote
AztecAlien Posted February 1 Posted February 1 On 2/1/2025 at 11:32 AM, smltwnrckr said: Yea, I'm the one backtracking. genius. You're defending the use of flood control dams to flood a place. Genius. Is that what I did in that post? "failed policies and programs that have hurt the state of California and cost taxpayers billions of dollars in waste." Ok. Quote
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