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Trump thought telling the federal government to open the spillways on Sierra foothill dams south of Fresno would solve California issues with wildfires and farming.

Consistent with the direction in the Executive Order on Emergency Measures to Provide Water Resources in California, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is releasing water from Terminus Dam at Lake Kaweah and Schafer Dam at Success Lake to ensure California has water available to respond to the wildfires,” wrote Gene Pawlik, a supervising public affairs specialist in the Army Corps’ Washington, D.C. office."

Trumps sees it as:

But putting it into practice on his do-it-now timetable is problematic both this week as well as this coming summer.

Nor is everyone happy, especially Central Valley farmers.

"Tulare County water managers were perplexed and frustrated, noting both physical and legal barriers that make it virtually impossible for Tulare County river water to be used for southern California fires. First, it would have to be pumped at great expense across the San Joaquin Valley to get to the California Aqueduct and then travel hundreds of miles south. Second, this isn’t “loose” water free for the taking. “Every drop belongs to someone,” said Kaweah River Watermaster Victor Hernandez. “The reservoir may belong to the federal government, but the water is ours. If someone’s playing political games with this water, it’s wrong.”"

https://sjvwater.org/trumps-emergency-water-order-responsible-for-water-dump-from-tulare-county-lakes/

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" Vink said local water officials heard Thursday afternoon that the Army Corps planned to “go from a fairly nominal release to channel capacity in two hours.” A release of that magnitude, he said, would normally be coordinated days in advance, in part because farmers might have expensive farm equipment placed near riverbanks. There are also homeless encampments near some riverbanks, and officials would want to make sure people were out of the way and not in danger before unleashing so much water."

https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2025-01-31/trump-california-dams-opened-up

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"Dumping the water from Lake Kaweah and Success Lake poses a flood risk to downstream communities, he said, like the town of Porterville, which nearly flooded during rainstorms in 2023. It also reduces the amount of irrigation water available to farmers during the driest months of the year. The snowpack in the Southern Sierra Nevada that California depends on for water supplies in the summer has dipped to 47 percent of average for this time of year after a dry January, according to state estimates released Friday. “We need to keep every bit that we have, because this potentially is irrigation water that we have up there,” Hernandez said."

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/31/trump-california-water-00201909

 

 

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On 1/31/2025 at 9:56 PM, Wyobraska said:

CA has crazy water right laws.  This has to be a fun thing to figure out.

This has nothing to do with CA water rights. The feds are responsible for the reservoirs. It has to do with someone who has no understanding of where this released water will end up, which is the intermittent wetland of Tulare Lake west of Visalia. Trump or one of his stooges may have seen reservoirs that were in the southern half of the state, but there is absolutely no way in which this water can be pumped over the Tehachapi mountains.  It reduces the amount of water available to farmers when they actually need it. It will do absolutely nothing to help fight fires in Southern California, where water supply was never an issue in the first place. It’s a moronic publicity stunt. If the Corps spokesmen actually believes what he’s saying he is clueless. 

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On 2/1/2025 at 8:57 AM, Old_SD_Dude said:

This has nothing to do with CA water rights. The feds are responsible for the reservoirs. It has to do with someone who has no understanding of where this released water will end up, which is the intermittent wetland of Tule Lake west of Visalia. Trump or one of his stooges may have seen reservoirs that were in the southern half of the state, but there is absolutely no way in which this water can be pumped over the Tehachapi mountains.  It reduces the amount of water available to farmers when they actually need it. It will do absolutely nothing to help fight fires in Southern California, where water supply was never an issue in the first place. It’s a moronic publicity stunt. If the Corps spokesmen actually believes what he’s saying he is clueless. 

Are you serious? 

"Urban water scarcity is an ongoing reality in California, especially, in Southern California with its arid climate and cyclical droughts."

https://css.umich.edu/publications/research-publications/water-supply-scarcity-southern-california-assessing-water 

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On 2/1/2025 at 8:57 AM, Old_SD_Dude said:

This has nothing to do with CA water rights. The feds are responsible for the reservoirs. It has to do with someone who has no understanding of where this released water will end up, which is the intermittent wetland of Tule Lake west of Visalia. Trump or one of his stooges may have seen reservoirs that were in the southern half of the state, but there is absolutely no way in which this water can be pumped over the Tehachapi mountains.  It reduces the amount of water available to farmers when they actually need it. It will do absolutely nothing to help fight fires in Southern California, where water supply was never an issue in the first place. It’s a moronic publicity stunt. If the Corps spokesmen actually believes what he’s saying he is clueless. 

Don't those farmers have an allotted amount of water that they are entitled to?  If that water isn't available couldn't they use the government for sending their water South?

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This is the orange shitgibbon screwing over California by screwing the farmers. Water management is a tight balancing act and he just threw a major wrench in it. Finite resource 

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On 2/1/2025 at 8:36 AM, AztecAlien said:

Are you serious? 

"Urban water scarcity is an ongoing reality in California, especially, in Southern California with its arid climate and cyclical droughts."

https://css.umich.edu/publications/research-publications/water-supply-scarcity-southern-california-assessing-water 

That article is 16 years old and CA is no longer in a drought as it was back then.

The stupid.  It hurts.

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On 2/1/2025 at 10:12 AM, InnZoneU said:

That article is 16 years old and CA is no longer in a drought as it was back then.

The stupid.  It hurts.

Evidently you still have a problem reading. An older article was the point. Not to mention California is currently experiencing drought. 

Straight from your boys post.

"Southern California, where water supply was never an issue in the first place."

Tell me more about this. It should be interesting. 

You're the last person that should be questioning anyone's intelligence.

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On 2/1/2025 at 11:11 AM, mysfit said:

This is the orange shitgibbon screwing over California by screwing the farmers. Water management is a tight balancing act and he just threw a major wrench in it. Finite resource 

Nobody knows western water issues like Trump.  He has the biggest brain and he was the only one clairvoyant enough to know that all that was required to fix everything was to open one simple valve.   Why is everyone else so stupid?

 

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On 2/1/2025 at 8:36 AM, AztecAlien said:

Are you serious? 

"Urban water scarcity is an ongoing reality in California, especially, in Southern California with its arid climate and cyclical droughts."

https://css.umich.edu/publications/research-publications/water-supply-scarcity-southern-california-assessing-water 

Is there a long-problem with water supply in Southern California? Yes. Is there a shortage of water in the local reservoirs providing water for fire fighting? Not at all. The water problems during the fire had to do with the conveyance capacities of the water mains due to the tremendous demands of simultaneous fires, not supply. And in any event, this publicity stunt by the Corps does absolutely nothing to increase water supply south of the Tehachapis. 

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On 2/1/2025 at 10:27 AM, Old_SD_Dude said:

Is there a long-problem with water supply in Southern California? Yes. Is there a shortage of water in the local reservoirs providing water for fire fighting? Not at all. The water problems during the fire had to do with the conveyance capacities of the water mains, not supply. 

I'm taking you seriously. 

"Southern California, where water supply was never an issue in the first place."

Old_SD_Dude 

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On 2/1/2025 at 9:06 AM, Wyobraska said:

Don't those farmers have an allotted amount of water that they are entitled to?  If that water isn't available couldn't they use the government for sending their water South?

The feds allocate the water to local water districts on an annual basis based on supply. This stunt reduces the amount stored for the growing season. This particular water could not be sent south in any event. 

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On 2/1/2025 at 9:28 AM, AztecAlien said:

I'm taking you seriously. 

"Southern California, where water supply was never an issue in the first place."

Old_SD_Dude

 

 

Context, moron. My statement referred to the water levels in local reservoirs used for fighting the fires in Pacific Palisades and Altadena.

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On 2/1/2025 at 9:28 AM, AztecAlien said:

I'm taking you seriously. 

"Southern California, where water supply was never an issue in the first place."

Old_SD_Dude 

Reading comprehension is hard.

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On 2/1/2025 at 9:15 AM, AztecAlien said:

Evidently you still have a problem reading. An older article was the point. Not to mention California is currently experiencing drought. 

Straight from your boys post.

"Southern California, where water supply was never an issue in the first place."

Tell me more about this. It should be interesting. 

You're the last person that should be questioning anyone's intelligence.

u r dum

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On 2/1/2025 at 9:27 AM, Old_SD_Dude said:

Is there a long-problem with water supply in Southern California? Yes. Is there a shortage of water in the local reservoirs providing water for fire fighting? Not at all. The water problems during the fire had to do with the conveyance capacities of the water mains due to the tremendous demands of simultaneous fires, not supply. And in any event, this publicity stunt by the Corps does absolutely nothing to increase water supply south of the Tehachapis. 

suburban hydrant systems aren't meant to fight city-wide firestorms?

do tell........

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On 2/1/2025 at 9:06 AM, Wyobraska said:

Don't those farmers have an allotted amount of water that they are entitled to?  

It's all allocated. Some to farmers thru water districts. Some thru state and federal projects.

All the water is claimed. Like, twice the amount that exists is claimed. 

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On 2/1/2025 at 10:37 AM, Old_SD_Dude said:

Context, moron. My statement referred to the water levels in local reservoirs used for fighting the fires in Pacific Palisades and Altadena.

Context? What happens next year or the year after? How were those reservoir levels prior to 2022? 

And would you like to address why LA Firefighters were not prepared and Palisades reservoir was offline during the fires?

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/investigations/outside-investigations-to-examine-ladwps-empty-reservoir-during-palisades-fire/3617569/

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/investigations/outside-investigations-to-examine-ladwps-empty-reservoir-during-palisades-fire/3617569/

You just won't admit when the people running the State of California are the problem for anything. 

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