Akkula Posted February 3 Posted February 3 On 2/2/2025 at 3:43 PM, thelawlorfaithful said: If you have a losing hand don’t make it worse for yourself. So your position is that nobody should retaliate? They should just let Trump raise tariffs on them in a "pain free" manner? So basically Canada should let Trump grab them by the pussy and not slap his hand and scream about it? Yeah, I am sure that will deter him from future pussy grabs. At least if you get your pussy grabbed, you can go down fighting. Or you can listen to the attacker say, "don't scream or it will be worse for you!" Quote
thelawlorfaithful Posted February 3 Posted February 3 On 2/3/2025 at 6:07 AM, Akkula said: So your position is that nobody should retaliate? They should just let Trump raise tariffs on them in a "pain free" manner? So basically Canada should let Trump grab them by the pussy and not slap his hand and scream about it? Yeah, I am sure that will deter him from future pussy grabs. At least if you get your pussy grabbed, you can go down fighting. Or you can listen to the attacker say, "don't scream or it will be worse for you!" It doesn’t slap his hand. It taxes your own citizens. That’s how tariffs work. 1 Quote
happycamper Posted February 3 Posted February 3 On 2/2/2025 at 9:01 PM, FresnoFacts said: Canada by itself can inflict minor damage. Same with Mexico. But a pack of smaller animals can inflict damage on a larger one if they work together. China, Canada, and Mexico may be pushed to work together. And it looks like this is not just about the border or drugs. Trump is saying tonight he is looking at putting tariffs on other countries also. He is now saying tariffs on the EU will "definitely happen" and tariffs on the UK are also possible. "Tariffs on EU goods imported into the US will happen "pretty soon", says President Donald Trump. "They've really taken advantage of [the US]," he says. "They don't take our cars, they don't take our farm products. They take almost nothing, and we take everything from the millions of cars, tremendous amounts of food and farm products." Asked by the BBC if there's a timeline for announcing EU tariffs, Trump says: "I wouldn't say there's a timeline, but it's going to be pretty soon. "The United States has been ripped off by virtually every country in the world. We have deficits with almost every country - not every country - but almost, and we're going to change it. It's been unfair." https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cqjvg82lg4yt?post=asset%3Ab7b82a8a-4582-4b36-b08f-f3a10280b621#post Buckle up. they don't have to inflict heavy damage. all they have to do is target weak spots in the gop's coalition. in the past that often meant target certain congressional districts. now it appears that means target certain oligarchs. whatever trump and the heritage foundation think, as soon as they mess with the money, they are doomed. Quote
Akkula Posted February 3 Posted February 3 Trump is already backing off his tariffs. That was fast! Trump pauses Mexico tariffs for month after border troops agreement Now, he can declare VICTORY because Mexico is deploying a few troops at the border. They probably would have done this if he had just asked nicely. But we need the big dramatic performance for the cameras! Cue the Trumpists saying what a magnificent negotiator he is! Mexico's president basically held firm and Trump saw the stock market crashing and chickened out. Canada will surely be next. This is what happens when you have no principles and are just transactional. The guy didn't even have an "ask" for his transaction! Quote
RSF Posted February 3 Posted February 3 LOL.... She also wrote, “The United States is committed to working to prevent the trafficking of high-powered weapons to Mexico.” Trump had not mentioned a commitment to stem the flow of weapons in his Truth Social post about his conversation with Sheinbaum. Quote
The Barber Posted February 3 Posted February 3 On 2/2/2025 at 5:54 PM, NVGiant Waste of Time said: He certainly seems to have fallen in love with the idea of tariffs. But the virtue signaling off-ramp is as likely as anything, I agree. Interesting, though, that his social media post that was pasted on this thread never mentioned drugs at all. I’m generally a free-trader, despite some of its drawbacks. And I think a trade war is especially risky with a world economy still trying to overcome inflation. If these tariffs last, and the economy takes a big hit, it will be interesting to see what happens to Trump’s support. We shall see. It looks like Trump got the PR win he was after. Mexico agreed to place 10,000 Mexican Army troops on its border to police immigration / drug trafficking. US and Mexico agree to stop the tariffs, revert back to the status quo, and negotiate a long term deal. Not sure how Canada will respond now. Quote
Akkula Posted February 3 Posted February 3 Donald Trump is transactional. He is not a true believer in anything other than white supremacy and making himself and his oligarchs richer. That is why he backs off so quickly. If he were a TRUE BELIEVER he would have followed through if he thought tariffs were the way to "fix" the USA even if it meant a bit of discomfort for the American people. He would have asked Americans to accept this bit of discomfort and pull together for the nations, WW2 style. But he cannot even stand the slightest bit of political blowback so he backed off quickly. Trump really only has a few moves. Bluster, Bully, and Rage Quit negotiations. That is why Mexico didn't pay for his wall either. He will then take a loss and declare victory, just like in the 2020 election. If you are a counterparty you can just look at him and laugh. Since he is not a true believer even if he throws over the chess pieces like a child, he will come back...because it is all transactional. If you just tell him "no" in his real estate deal when he makes a ridiculous offer, you will probably prevail. He cannot even stand the minuscule amount of pain @thelawlorfaithful says Mexico can inflict. 1 Quote
Akkula Posted February 3 Posted February 3 On 2/3/2025 at 10:46 AM, The Barber said: It looks like Trump got the PR win he was after. Mexico agreed to place 10,000 Mexican Army troops on its border to police immigration / drug trafficking. US and Mexico agree to stop the tariffs, revert back to the status quo, and negotiate a long term deal. Not sure how Canada will respond now. Trumpists gonna Trump! You better get working on that immigration law and hope he is a better negotiator for that because it doesn't look like ruling by fiat is going anywhere. Quote
The Barber Posted February 3 Posted February 3 On 2/3/2025 at 8:47 AM, Akkula said: Not sure why you think Trump lost this one? Reverts back to the status quo, the only change being, Mexico will now place 10,000 Mexican Troops at its border to police drug trafficking and weapons. Isn't that exactly what he was after? Quote
Akkula Posted February 3 Posted February 3 On 2/3/2025 at 10:50 AM, The Barber said: Not sure why you think Trump lost this one? Reverts back to the status quo, the only change being, Mexico will now place 10,000 Mexican Troops at its border to police drug trafficking and weapons. Isn't that exactly what he was after? The Mexican president gave Trump a fig leaf to aid in his climbdown after making an ass of himself. He told us that he was going to put all these tariffs on Mexico and they were the key to fixing the country taking advantage of us. Why does he have no balls? I thought he was a real tough guy? Quote
The Barber Posted February 3 Posted February 3 On 2/3/2025 at 9:00 AM, Akkula said: The Mexican president gave Trump a fig leaf to aid in his climbdown after making an ass of himself. He told us that he was going to put all these tariffs on Mexico and they were the key to fixing the country taking advantage of us. Why does he have no balls? I thought he was a real tough guy? Because, as noted earlier, this is what Trump does. It's a negotiation tactic to get what he wants. He said he was imposing a tariff as leverage to get Mexico to do something to stop drug trafficking. He probably made an ass of himself imposing these tariffs but he doesn't seem to care, and he seems to have obtained exactly what he wanted --- Mexico making take a public action to police drug trafficking (10,000 Mexican troops at its border). US didn't really have to give up anything, other than agree to revert to the status quo. Not sure how you spin it as Mexico giving a "fig leaf", when Trump got exactly what he wanted... Canada is obviously not resolved yet, and that could be disaster if a trade war ensues. But Mexico action places some pressure on Canada now. https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/02/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-imposes-tariffs-on-imports-from-canada-mexico-and-china/ In addition, the Mexican drug trafficking organizations have an intolerable alliance with the government of Mexico. The government of Mexico has afforded safe havens for the cartels to engage in the manufacturing and transportation of dangerous narcotics, which collectively have led to the overdose deaths of hundreds of thousands of American victims. This alliance endangers the national security of the United States, and we must eradicate the influence of these dangerous cartels. There is also a growing presence of Mexican cartels operating fentanyl and nitazene synthesis labs in Canada. A recent study recognized Canada’s heightened domestic production of fentanyl, and its growing footprint within international narcotics distribution USING OUR LEVERAGE TO ENSURE AMERICANS’ SAFETY: Previous Administrations failed to fully leverage America’s economic position as a tool to secure our borders against illegal migration and combat the scourge of fentanyl, preferring to let problems fester. Tariffs are a powerful, proven source of leverage for protecting the national interest. President Trump is using the tools at hand and taking decisive action that puts Americans’ safety and our national security first. President Trump promised in November to “sign all necessary documents to charge Mexico and Canada a 25% Tariff on ALL products coming into the United States, and its ridiculous Open Borders. This Tariff will remain in effect until such time as Drugs, in particular Fentanyl, and all Illegal Aliens stop this Invasion of our Country!” Quote
Akkula Posted February 3 Posted February 3 On 2/3/2025 at 11:09 AM, The Barber said: Because, as noted earlier, this is what Trump does. It's a negotiation tactic to get what he wants. He said he was imposing a tariff as leverage to get Mexico to do something to stop drug trafficking. He probably made an ass of himself imposing these tariffs but he doesn't seem to care, and he seems to have obtained exactly what he wanted --- Mexico making a public action to police drug trafficking (10,000 Mexican troops at its border). US didn't really have to give up anything, other than agree to revert to the status quo. Canada is obviously not resolved yet, and that could be disaster if a trade war ensues. But Mexico action places some pressure on Canada now. https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/02/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-imposes-tariffs-on-imports-from-canada-mexico-and-china/ In addition, the Mexican drug trafficking organizations have an intolerable alliance with the government of Mexico. The government of Mexico has afforded safe havens for the cartels to engage in the manufacturing and transportation of dangerous narcotics, which collectively have led to the overdose deaths of hundreds of thousands of American victims. This alliance endangers the national security of the United States, and we must eradicate the influence of these dangerous cartels. There is also a growing presence of Mexican cartels operating fentanyl and nitazene synthesis labs in Canada. A recent study recognized Canada’s heightened domestic production of fentanyl, and its growing footprint within international narcotics distribution USING OUR LEVERAGE TO ENSURE AMERICANS’ SAFETY: Previous Administrations failed to fully leverage America’s economic position as a tool to secure our borders against illegal migration and combat the scourge of fentanyl, preferring to let problems fester. Tariffs are a powerful, proven source of leverage for protecting the national interest. President Trump is using the tools at hand and taking decisive action that puts Americans’ safety and our national security first. President Trump promised in November to “sign all necessary documents to charge Mexico and Canada a 25% Tariff on ALL products coming into the United States, and its ridiculous Open Borders. This Tariff will remain in effect until such time as Drugs, in particular Fentanyl, and all Illegal Aliens stop this Invasion of our Country!” Okay, buddy. If Biden's big border measured was getting Mexico to temporarily deploy some troops you would have said it was weak tea and an outrage. We are moving the goalposts just like when Mexico was supposed to pay for the wall. The snake oil promises never meet what actually happens but that doesn't prevent you guys from declaring VICTORY and telling us the wall was actually built! We have all seen this movie before. If he would have backed up all his big promises in the first term, we wouldn't be here now would we? He would have out deported Obama too! 1 Quote
The Barber Posted February 3 Posted February 3 On 2/3/2025 at 9:12 AM, Akkula said: Okay, buddy. If Biden's big border measured was getting Mexico to temporarily deploy some troops you would have said it was weak tea and an outrage. We are moving the goalposts just like when Mexico was supposed to pay for the wall. The snake oil promises never meet what actually happens but that doesn't prevent you guys from declaring VICTORY and telling us the wall was actually built! We have all seen this movie before. If he would have backed up all his big promises in the first term, we wouldn't be here now would we? He would have out deported Obama too! It's pretty clear that Trump got what he was after from Mexico. Maybe it hurt him politically in the process, though. The tariff idea got a lot of negative headlines. Trump didn't seem to care. He got PR of Mexico having to react by putting 10,000 troops on its border to stop drug trafficking and immigration. If your hope is for Trump to lose in this PR battle, then you should direct your attention to Canada. They haven't done what Mexico did, yet, and maybe there will be a prolonged tariff / trade war between the US and Canada. A prolonged trade war with Canada probably hurts the Republicans, and gives you what you desire. So, you should probably really hope that, unlike Mexico, Canada doesn't do anything. But the Mexico thing --- seems Trump got what he wanted. Kind of spin to say otherwise. 1 Quote
InnZoneU Posted February 3 Posted February 3 The Mexican police are known for their tough stance with cartels lol. Shit that's like putting the fox in charge of the hen house. 1 Quote
NVGiant Waste of Time Posted February 3 Posted February 3 On 2/2/2025 at 3:14 PM, The Barber said: Maybe he just wants a virtue signal from Canada and Mexico on this drugs issue and pretend they will stop drug trafficking? On 2/2/2025 at 5:54 PM, NVGiant Waste of Time said: The virtue signaling off-ramp is as likely as anything, I agree. Do we win a prize? 1 Quote
NVGiant Waste of Time Posted February 3 Posted February 3 On 2/3/2025 at 8:46 AM, The Barber said: It looks like Trump got the PR win he was after. Mexico agreed to place 10,000 Mexican Army troops on its border to police immigration / drug trafficking. US and Mexico agree to stop the tariffs, revert back to the status quo, and negotiate a long term deal. Not sure how Canada will respond now. Yeah. Put some show mounties at the border and call it good. That'd be the smart thing. But the thing is retaliatory tariffs are polling really high in Canada. I read 82% of Canadians are in favor of them. If you're an unpopular prime minister, leading an unpopular party, the idea of going head-to-head with an even less popular U.S. president has to be tempting. 1 1 Quote
The Barber Posted February 3 Posted February 3 On 2/3/2025 at 10:23 AM, NVGiant Waste of Time said: Yeah. Put some show mounties at the border and call it good. That'd be the smart thing. But the thing is retaliatory tariffs are polling really high in Canada. I read 82% of Canadians are in favor of them. If you're an unpopular prime minister, leading an unpopular party, the idea of going head-to-head with an even less popular U.S. president has to be tempting. Agree. This is quite simple. Put some additional Canadian police at the border, to "stop the drugs". Trump gets a PR win that he forced Canada to act. Tariffs don't go into effect. But, I think there is a lot of PR involved in this one. Canadians don't want to be pushed around by the US, or look like "little brother", so it is not that simple, I guess. I'm sure the tariffs are popular in Canada right now, but when they go into effect, and the pain is felt, everyone will feel differently. Same with the US for Trump base. Regardless, there probably isn't that much harm in trying to police drug trafficking which I guess is a problem in some parts of the US. To Trump --- this whole thing could have been addressed with negotiations before tariffs were ever waived around, but he wanted a big show and he has gotten it (at least with Mexico) Quote
InnZoneU Posted February 3 Posted February 3 Cannucks don't fck around lol. Makers Mark must be really popular there haha. Quote
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