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On 1/31/2025 at 7:44 PM, Sactowndog said:

We know the tower was understaffed.  
 

what we don’t know is why it was understaffed.  Could the orders and Trump played a role? Plausibly.  But we don’t know yet.  We also don’t know to what extend another controller could have helped the helicopter pilot realize he was looking at the jet.  

Staffing is tied to time of day and level of traffic. There’s a certain time of day when staffing is reduced. It has been reported that staffing was reduced 40 minutes earlier than normal. Haven’t seen an explanation as to why. 

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On 1/31/2025 at 5:47 PM, RSF said:

Staffing is tied to time of day and level of traffic. There’s a certain time of day when staffing is reduced. It has been reported that staffing was reduced 40 minutes earlier than normal. Haven’t seen an explanation as to why. 

Yeah I heard that also but I also heard this tower was understaffed.  We shall see.  For now it is all context to explore as they put all the pieces together.  

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On 1/31/2025 at 7:19 PM, renoskier said:

back off...it's learning!! 

There's no evidence to support that claim.

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On 1/31/2025 at 9:00 AM, GregoryPierreTolkien said:

Another disaster brought to you by DEI and Biden’s obsession with woke quotas over actual competence!

This is the cost of woke policies. This is what happens when the left sacrifices safety for virtue signaling. Planes don’t stay in the air because of feelings, and airspace coordination doesn’t work on the honor system. These institutions require the best, not the most diverse.

Trump is back in office now, and hopefully, we can start undoing the rot that DEI and leftist ideology have spread through every critical system in this country.

Trump fired the FAA director and cut staff.

Yet, you believe this is a DEI failure. The Air Traffic controller, on two occasions told the help pilot to change course.

You are a total Trump tool.

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On 1/31/2025 at 12:56 PM, GregoryPierreTolkien said:

What a meltdown! You went from posting stupid reaction gifs to full-on seething rage in record time. Guess I hit a nerve, huh? You can barely string a coherent thought together without resorting to name-calling, insults, and some deranged rant about Newsmax and Alex Jones. You sound completely unhinged, but please tell me more about my lack of logic while you have a temper tantrum over a simple fact: DEI is destroying competence in this country.

Spare me the nonsense about "meritocracy" in air traffic control. This is the same FAA that lowered standards to meet diversity quotas under Biden, cutting back on hiring tests and letting in "underrepresented candidates" over more qualified applicants. This is the same military that missed recruitment goals because they were too busy worrying about pronouns and drag shows instead of training warriors. But sure, tell me how none of this played a role in a catastrophic mid-air collision. Totally just a tragic mistake, right?

The difference between us? I bring facts. You bring feelings. You don’t have a real argument, just insults and coping. If I was wrong, you’d debunk me with logic. But you can’t, because DEI is a cancer on this nation, and deep down, you know it. So keep foaming at the mouth and throwing your little tantrum it just proves I’m right.

Post a link to an article from a credible media source.

That's how the game is played here.

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https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/31/us/air-traffic-control-staffing-nationwide-problem-invs/index.html

"But the situation was hardly an anomaly. Airports around the country have struggled with controller staffing levels for years, according to a CNN review of government data and interviews with aviation experts."

"Air traffic controllers in the US have been warning about the impact of low staffing levels for years, submitting anonymous reports to NASA’s Aviation Safety Reporting System. At least 10 reports submitted by controllers included concerns about staffing, work schedules or fatigue in the last year alone, the NASA database shows."

"We have been short staffed for too many years and it’s creating so many unsafe situations,” one controller in Southern California wrote last year, recounting how a small aircraft requesting assistance could not be helped due to workload issues. “The FAA has created an unsafe environment to work and for the flying public. The controllers’ mental health is deteriorating.”

"There were more reports of such incidents at Reagan National – which processes over 25 million passengers per year – than at any of the top 10 busiest airports in the country. Pilots and controllers coming through DCA reported at least 50 incidents of aircrafts being forced to move out of the way of other planes or helicopters in the past ten years." 

"Reagan National stood out as well in the number of reports describing near collisions between aircrafts and helicopters." 

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On 2/1/2025 at 9:43 AM, AztecAlien said:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/31/us/air-traffic-control-staffing-nationwide-problem-invs/index.html

"But the situation was hardly an anomaly. Airports around the country have struggled with controller staffing levels for years, according to a CNN review of government data and interviews with aviation experts."

"Air traffic controllers in the US have been warning about the impact of low staffing levels for years, submitting anonymous reports to NASA’s Aviation Safety Reporting System. At least 10 reports submitted by controllers included concerns about staffing, work schedules or fatigue in the last year alone, the NASA database shows."

"We have been short staffed for too many years and it’s creating so many unsafe situations,” one controller in Southern California wrote last year, recounting how a small aircraft requesting assistance could not be helped due to workload issues. “The FAA has created an unsafe environment to work and for the flying public. The controllers’ mental health is deteriorating.”

"There were more reports of such incidents at Reagan National – which processes over 25 million passengers per year – than at any of the top 10 busiest airports in the country. Pilots and controllers coming through DCA reported at least 50 incidents of aircrafts being forced to move out of the way of other planes or helicopters in the past ten years." 

"Reagan National stood out as well in the number of reports describing near collisions between aircrafts and helicopters." 

Yes, it has been a problem for years.  Yet Trump didn't explicitly exclude air traffic controllers from the buyout.  He is a low IQ individual who doesn't read or deal with complexity.  It is no wonder he didn't catch this important detail.

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Hi peasants, pilot here. I know exactly what happened.

I've dealt with general aviation fuckery my entire career. It's complacency has gotten me close to getting killed multiple times and others long before Biden or Trump was in office.

Even though DEI and FAA incompetence does exist and I hate it, that's not why this happened.

Apparently, the chick pilot was doing her biannual flight review and only around 500 hours flight experience (VFR at night near a crowded airport for a coast guard pilot probably flies like 5 hours per year. dumbdumbdumbdumb). She busted her altitude of 200 feet to 300 feet at the worst possible time..whoops *boom* 

Not her fault as her instructor was with her, and he failed to notice and slightly correct her power and pitch controls. Literally a split second adjustment, they were probably yapping. Complacency kills.

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On 2/2/2025 at 10:43 AM, Rebels18 said:

Hi peasants, pilot here. I know exactly what happened.

I've dealt with general aviation fuckery my entire career. It's complacency has gotten me close to getting killed multiple times and others long before Biden or Trump was in office.

Even though DEI and FAA incompetence does exist and I hate it, that's not why this happened.

Apparently, the chick pilot was doing her biannual flight review and only around 500 hours flight experience (VFR at night near a crowded airport for a coast guard pilot probably flies like 5 hours per year. dumbdumbdumbdumb). She busted her altitude of 200 feet to 300 feet at the worst possible time..whoops *boom* 

Not her fault as her instructor was with her, and he failed to notice and slightly correct her power and pitch controls. Literally a split second adjustment, they were probably yapping. Complacency kills.

I was in middle school when PSA flight 182 was clipped by a Cessna while on final at SAN. We could see the smoke plume during recess. My best friend's dad was dating a single mom who lived in North Park, and my neighbor friend's dad was the initial SDPD OIC on scene. I was over at his house when his dad came home that evening. He told us of two things he witnessed I will never forget. The first was how he stepped on an eyeball while approaching a tree that had body parts strung from its limbs. The second was of a ground casualty, a PSA FA who was apparently on her way to work (wearing her uniform) and who's commute was abruptly stopped at/near the crash site by the concussive blast wave when the 727 cratered. She had been ejected through the windshield, but as he approached he noticed only her torso had gone through the windshield - her lower half was still inside the car, having been severed by the seat belt. He described the strings of soft tissue still connecting the two halves. He then described how he lifted her head by the hair, only to find her face was missing and her cranium had been more-or-less cleared out. Yeah, just hearing that shit left a mark... can't imagine the nightmares my friend's old man must have had.

Complacency kills, alright.

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On 2/2/2025 at 3:34 PM, The San Diegan said:

I was in middle school when PSA flight 182 was clipped by a Cessna while on final at SAN. We could see the smoke plume during recess. My best friend's dad was dating a single mom who lived in North Park, and my neighbor friend's dad was the initial SDPD OIC on scene. I was over at his house when his dad came home that evening. He told us of two things he witnessed I will never forget. The first was how he stepped on an eyeball while approaching a tree that had body parts strung from its limbs. The second was of a ground casualty, a PSA FA who was apparently on her way to work (wearing her uniform) and who's commute was abruptly stopped at/near the crash site by the concussive blast wave when the 727 cratered. She had been ejected through the windshield, but as he approached he noticed only her torso had gone through the windshield - her lower half was still inside the car, having been severed by the seat belt. He described the strings of soft tissue still connecting the two halves. He then described how he lifted her head by the hair, only to find her face was missing and her cranium had been more-or-less cleared out. Yeah, just hearing that shit left a mark... can't imagine the nightmares my friend's old man must have had.

Complacency kills, alright.

I remember that day as well. But I am not sure where you are going with that post. 

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On 2/2/2025 at 3:52 PM, AztecAlien said:

I remember that day as well. But I am not sure where you are going with that post. 

Maybe if either the Cessna pilot or the PSA flight crew not assumed there was nothing in their respective blind spots the crash could have been averted. That and a pretty fucking gnarl anecdote. 

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On 2/2/2025 at 10:43 AM, Rebels18 said:

Hi peasants, pilot here. I know exactly what happened.

Question: Are the radio communications as scratchy and tough to decipher as the recordings available after these things?

In an area where communication is so important - wouldn’t upgrading the 1950s radio static help? And more direct communication rather than blasting to everyone around?

Amazes me how much air traffic there is in large cities. Denver does it best with their airport in BFE Nebraska, IMO.

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On 1/31/2025 at 11:05 PM, Spaztecs said:

Trump fired the FAA director and cut staff.

Yet, you believe this is a DEI failure. The Air Traffic controller, on two occasions told the help pilot to change course.

You are a total Trump tool.

They conflate DEI with affirmative action when in fact they aren't anywhere near the same thing.

 

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On 2/2/2025 at 12:43 PM, Rebels18 said:

Hi peasants, pilot here. I know exactly what happened.

I've dealt with general aviation fuckery my entire career. It's complacency has gotten me close to getting killed multiple times and others long before Biden or Trump was in office.

Even though DEI and FAA incompetence does exist and I hate it, that's not why this happened.

Apparently, the chick pilot was doing her biannual flight review and only around 500 hours flight experience (VFR at night near a crowded airport for a coast guard pilot probably flies like 5 hours per year. dumbdumbdumbdumb). She busted her altitude of 200 feet to 300 feet at the worst possible time..whoops *boom* 

Not her fault as her instructor was with her, and he failed to notice and slightly correct her power and pitch controls. Literally a split second adjustment, they were probably yapping. Complacency kills.

DEI hire?

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