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On 1/28/2025 at 6:07 PM, Headbutt said:

I’ve said it before, why spend millions just to have the same teams put a different conference logo on the field?  
No offense to any of the remaining MWC teams, but if the PAC doesn’t open up the geography and raid the AAC, they’re just having a very public and stupid circle jerk. 
 

It has to be a new conference, not just a renamed MWC.  Otherwise all of the members were lied to, by each other. 

I say we all blame Fresno

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On 1/28/2025 at 5:07 PM, Headbutt said:

I’ve said it before, why spend millions just to have the same teams put a different conference logo on the field?  
No offense to any of the remaining MWC teams, but if the PAC doesn’t open up the geography and raid the AAC, they’re just having a very public and stupid circle jerk. 
 

It has to be a new conference, not just a renamed MWC.  Otherwise all of the members were lied to, by each other. 

Yeah, it's making less sense as time goes on. 

 

Is paying $20+ million to trade out UNLV/Nevada/Wyoming/New Mexico/SJSU/Hawaii for Texas State/WSU/OSU really worth it?

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On 1/28/2025 at 6:19 PM, Bigd said:

Yeah, it's making less sense as time goes on. 

 

Is paying $20+ million to trade out UNLV/Nevada/Wyoming/New Mexico/SJSU/Hawaii for Texas State/WSU/OSU really worth it?

I very much doubt it had anything to do with "getting away" from some schools, as far as the departing schools go.  WOSU made it clear they would not be doing reverse merge.  So the schools are paying $18 million to join the PAC, not to do preferred scheduling adjustments.  We will have to see what the TV and external revenue streams are.  But I suspect the difference will make up for the move within 4 years or so.  Also you forgot Gonzaga.

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On 1/28/2025 at 2:06 PM, pomf said:

I'm still not seeing it financially but if Reno gets into the PAC by riding UNLV's coattails I'm never letting my UNR coworkers hear the end of it.

don't worry, they'll never let you hear the end of it :ph34r:

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On 1/28/2025 at 5:07 PM, Headbutt said:

I’ve said it before, why spend millions just to have the same teams put a different conference logo on the field?  
No offense to any of the remaining MWC teams, but if the PAC doesn’t open up the geography and raid the AAC, they’re just having a very public and stupid circle jerk. 
 

It has to be a new conference, not just a renamed MWC.  Otherwise all of the members were lied to, by each other. 

it should have never come to this...a reverse merger just made too much sense

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On 1/28/2025 at 6:41 PM, renoskier said:

it should have never come to this...a reverse merger just made too much sense

This is why I've grown from general indifference towards Washington St. athletics to full on fuck you Coog. It never should have come down to this. Reverse merger and some specific assurances that each program agreed to for improvement.  It was so straightforward. 

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On 1/28/2025 at 3:38 PM, Chalsean said:

I don't get it..  Wyoming, UNM, Hawaii would all be better than doubling down in the state of Nevada

Travel to Reno is much easier than travel to Laramie and Honolulu and Reno is basically located in the geographical center of the nPAC. Also, there are almost as many people in just Washoe County as in the entire state of Wyoming and at the current growth rates, there will be about an equal number in another decade. Checking their schedules, it also appears that UNR's record this century against power conference schools is identical to that of Wyoming even though the Cowboys have managed to get more such games at their home than has UNR. Hawaii? Unlike the MWC, the PAC has never had football-only members and it doesn't want them now and it's simply too expensive to send Oly teams to the Islands.

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On 1/28/2025 at 1:45 PM, Bigd said:

Wilner just posted his predictions for the upcoming year, take it for what it's worth:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2025/01/27/hotline-predictions-for-2025-cfp-and-ncaa-tournament-undergo-tweaks-as-realignment-marches-on/

2. The rebuilt Pac-12 signs a media rights deal with The CW, ESPN and Warner Bros. Discovery (Turner Sports) sharing the inventory.

The CW’s package leans heavily into football while WBD and ESPN obtain the rights to both football and basketball.

WBD needs sports content to offset the loss of the NBA and sees synergy between regular-season games and its March Madness broadcasts.

ESPN’s motivation for grabbing a stake? Content to fill the late broadcast windows and to push the ESPN Bet app. (Its long, close relationship with Gonzaga could play a role, as well.)

The total value of the five-year agreement works out to $9 million or $10 million per school per year, which is more than the American Athletic Conference’s agreement with ESPN ($7 million per school) and should not be confused with the Pac-12’s total annual distributions, which include football and basketball postseason revenue.

As for Pac-12 expansion: The process begins, but does not end, with the conference adding Texas State.

 

8. The Pac-12’s lawsuit against the Mountain West over the poaching penalty moves forward after a key March 25 hearing in the Northern District of California.

Eventually, the process concludes with a negotiated settlement — university presidents loathe court trials — that results in a significant reduction from the $55 million owed to the Mountain West under the terms of the scheduling agreement.

The development prompts UNLV and Air Force to reconsider their futures, with the Rebels jumping to the Pac-12 and the Falcons to the American.

 

15. As the most valuable non-power conferences, the Pac-12 and American begin working together in a manner similar to the Big Ten-SEC partnership that developed in 2024.

The immediate goals: To provide a united front on NCAA and CFP issues; and to develop new revenue streams through regular season and postseason scheduling alliances.

But the relationship leads to serious conversations about the most sensible outcome of all: a bicoastal merger of the conferences.

ESPN bet app would love to have Hawaii (UNLV and the MW).  
 

If Wilner is predicting ESPN Bet getting active - then, the 2026 season will be the first shot in the upcoming Casino-TV-App media rights war.  With FanDuel and MGMBet also ready to bid.  
 

**Makes perfect sense since all the other conferences are tied up until 2032 or so.  The MW and PAC might be fortunate with the timing. 
 

Good timing for the MW if so.  I thought it wouldn’t be until 2031.  Let’s go FanDuel!!!

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On 1/28/2025 at 6:19 PM, Bigd said:

Yeah, it's making less sense as time goes on. 

 

Is paying $20+ million to trade out UNLV/Nevada/Wyoming/New Mexico/SJSU/Hawaii for Texas State/WSU/OSU really worth it?

Well, it's not $20+ million, or even close IMO.  Otherwise, yes.  Add a couple of AAC teams, and it becomes a no brainer.  Just add UNLV, Nevada, Wyoming and New Mexico and no it's a massive waste of cash.  The latter won't happen.  Maybe...MAYBE...the Pac will add one more MWC team if it really does get itself into a corner.

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On 1/28/2025 at 2:07 PM, Smithy said:

Don't know if NMSU is in the cards still, when you have NDSU ready to jump. Since having Davis already in, adding SacSt doesn't add in media value much since they are both in the same DMA. Plus it will be like playing a rival high school in the same town.

NMSU - When your down to five options and only one of them is FBS ready.

I'm pretty sure I included the Dakota's in my post.

I don't think the MW can afford to be picky about replicating markets if they find themselves in that position.

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On 1/28/2025 at 2:45 PM, Bigd said:

Wilner just posted his predictions for the upcoming year, take it for what it's worth:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2025/01/27/hotline-predictions-for-2025-cfp-and-ncaa-tournament-undergo-tweaks-as-realignment-marches-on/

2. The rebuilt Pac-12 signs a media rights deal with The CW, ESPN and Warner Bros. Discovery (Turner Sports) sharing the inventory.

The CW’s package leans heavily into football while WBD and ESPN obtain the rights to both football and basketball.

WBD needs sports content to offset the loss of the NBA and sees synergy between regular-season games and its March Madness broadcasts.

ESPN’s motivation for grabbing a stake? Content to fill the late broadcast windows and to push the ESPN Bet app. (Its long, close relationship with Gonzaga could play a role, as well.)

The total value of the five-year agreement works out to $9 million or $10 million per school per year, which is more than the American Athletic Conference’s agreement with ESPN ($7 million per school) and should not be confused with the Pac-12’s total annual distributions, which include football and basketball postseason revenue.

As for Pac-12 expansion: The process begins, but does not end, with the conference adding Texas State.

 

8. The Pac-12’s lawsuit against the Mountain West over the poaching penalty moves forward after a key March 25 hearing in the Northern District of California.

Eventually, the process concludes with a negotiated settlement — university presidents loathe court trials — that results in a significant reduction from the $55 million owed to the Mountain West under the terms of the scheduling agreement.

The development prompts UNLV and Air Force to reconsider their futures, with the Rebels jumping to the Pac-12 and the Falcons to the American.

 

15. As the most valuable non-power conferences, the Pac-12 and American begin working together in a manner similar to the Big Ten-SEC partnership that developed in 2024.

The immediate goals: To provide a united front on NCAA and CFP issues; and to develop new revenue streams through regular season and postseason scheduling alliances.

But the relationship leads to serious conversations about the most sensible outcome of all: a bicoastal merger of the conferences.

Point 15.

And OOC AAC - PAC challenge in both Sports would be killer. Have the non CFP Champs play in a rotating Bowl game hosted by the Vegas/Holiday Bowl and the Liberty Bowl. In alternating years, those Bowls can invite a regional top end C-USA/MAC/MW/SBC squad to play another AAC-Pac School.

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On 1/28/2025 at 1:57 PM, Spaztecs said:

Why would the leftovers run ? They will be sitting on a ton of exit and poaching fees. There are still six all sports Schools. They can get an extension to 2028 on membership. NMSU is FBS ready. Davis, Sac State, the Dakota's, or the Texas FCS targets can use the time to level up.

Even at half the stated exit and poaching fees, if managed properly, they could get to nine or ten and survive for over a decade. 

True, but looking at the schools that would be part of the MW, it would be a one-bid conference for the NCAAT, and we would be lucky to get one bid for the college football playoff every 15 years. If UNM gets left behind, we have no choice but to invite NMSU and look at the Montana and Dakota schools. As a double alum and lifetime supporter of UNM, this is a very depressing time. I miss the days of rooting for every MW school in the non-conference. Now, all the fan bases just crap on each other.

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On 1/28/2025 at 10:34 AM, Spaztecs said:

Aren't the smaller Rev Schools what that Pac wants to get away from ?

If PAC expansion stalls, I think UNM would be a sneaky good invite. Big DMA, easy to get to. Close for TSU. Good basketball, a PAC cash infusion would help the FB program. 

It's all about the math for them and UNLV. Even if the MW keeps all the exit/poaching fees, 9% of the $155 mil, is ~ $14 mil. Add in $20 mil in exit fees and the Pac money needs to exceed MW money by $35 mil to make it happen.

For UNLV, the Pac needs to exceed  $60 mil in revenue difference.

My guess is all feels and penalties will be reduced by around 20% and that changes the math.

But at that point, inviting Nevada, UNLV, and New Mexico makes no economic sense. Wouldn't they just have to invite AFA and disolve the conference and save all the exit fees and poaching fees?

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On 1/29/2025 at 6:54 AM, Swedish said:

But at that point, inviting Nevada, UNLV, and New Mexico makes no economic sense. Wouldn't they just have to invite AFA and disolve the conference and save all the exit fees and poaching fees?

Isn't it too late for that? Can you really dissolve the league now that they've added new members? Or I guess they could do it before they officially join? 

I just can't see that happening, and would prefer the new MW.

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On 1/29/2025 at 7:54 AM, Swedish said:

But at that point, inviting Nevada, UNLV, and New Mexico makes no economic sense. Wouldn't they just have to invite AFA and disolve the conference and save all the exit fees and poaching fees?

It's two topics.

The Pac doesn't want the smaller revenue Schools. UNLV is the only School left. I suggested UNM because they own their market and will support a FB resurgence.

Again, if the AFA/UNLV leave, they have until 2028 to fill the holes. If they manage the exit fees wisely, they can survive another ten years. UH, Sparty, and UNR literally have no geographically reasonable G5 league to put their FB programs in. 

They, more than any other MW Schools should be the glue to hold this together. UTEP prefers to be here over the CUSA. NMSU would be a rock solid commit. UW and UNM would stay with that lineup over the C-USA. Davis would move up their FB and the Dakota's and NIU could be FB members.

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On 1/29/2025 at 8:41 PM, Spaztecs said:

It's two topics.

The Pac doesn't want the smaller revenue Schools. UNLV is the only School left. I suggested UNM because they own their market and will support a FB resurgence.

Again, if the AFA/UNLV leave, they have until 2028 to fill the holes. If they manage the exit fees wisely, they can survive another ten years. UH, Sparty, and UNR literally have no geographically reasonable G5 league to put their FB programs in. 

They, more than any other MW Schools should be the glue to hold this together. UTEP prefers to be here over the CUSA. NMSU would be a rock solid commit. UW and UNM would stay with that lineup over the C-USA. Davis would move up their FB and the Dakota's and NIU could be FB members.

Hasn't it been announced that all MW members signed a GOR? Even FSU and Clemson can't get out of theirs, I doubt any more MW members leave until 2032. 

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On 1/29/2025 at 10:11 PM, Bigd said:

Hasn't it been announced that all MW members signed a GOR? Even FSU and Clemson can't get out of theirs, I doubt any more MW members leave until 2032. 

They signed a Memorandum of Understanding that they would sign a Grant of Rights.  However, Gloria just recently stated in a press release that the members had signed a GOR.  The topic of the press release was not the GOR, it was just part of a larger statement, so it's possible that Gloria was referring to the MOU.  Still, she stated that they had all signed a GOR, so who knows.

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On 1/29/2025 at 9:45 PM, Headbutt said:

They signed a Memorandum of Understanding that they would sign a Grant of Rights.  However, Gloria just recently stated in a press release that the members had signed a GOR.  The topic of the press release was not the GOR, it was just part of a larger statement, so it's possible that Gloria was referring to the MOU.  Still, she stated that they had all signed a GOR, so who knows.

they signed a GOR  but it doesn't take effect till 7/1/2026

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