Smithy Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 1/28/2025 at 1:00 PM, Spaztecs said: Hawaii, UNR, and UTEP are already in the MW. NMSU, Davis and Sacto will fill out the MW nicely. Don't know if NMSU is in the cards still, when you have NDSU ready to jump. Since having Davis already in, adding SacSt doesn't add in media value much since they are both in the same DMA. Plus it will be like playing a rival high school in the same town. Quote
Bigd Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Wilner just posted his predictions for the upcoming year, take it for what it's worth: https://www.mercurynews.com/2025/01/27/hotline-predictions-for-2025-cfp-and-ncaa-tournament-undergo-tweaks-as-realignment-marches-on/ 2. The rebuilt Pac-12 signs a media rights deal with The CW, ESPN and Warner Bros. Discovery (Turner Sports) sharing the inventory. The CW’s package leans heavily into football while WBD and ESPN obtain the rights to both football and basketball. WBD needs sports content to offset the loss of the NBA and sees synergy between regular-season games and its March Madness broadcasts. ESPN’s motivation for grabbing a stake? Content to fill the late broadcast windows and to push the ESPN Bet app. (Its long, close relationship with Gonzaga could play a role, as well.) The total value of the five-year agreement works out to $9 million or $10 million per school per year, which is more than the American Athletic Conference’s agreement with ESPN ($7 million per school) and should not be confused with the Pac-12’s total annual distributions, which include football and basketball postseason revenue. As for Pac-12 expansion: The process begins, but does not end, with the conference adding Texas State. 8. The Pac-12’s lawsuit against the Mountain West over the poaching penalty moves forward after a key March 25 hearing in the Northern District of California. Eventually, the process concludes with a negotiated settlement — university presidents loathe court trials — that results in a significant reduction from the $55 million owed to the Mountain West under the terms of the scheduling agreement. The development prompts UNLV and Air Force to reconsider their futures, with the Rebels jumping to the Pac-12 and the Falcons to the American. 15. As the most valuable non-power conferences, the Pac-12 and American begin working together in a manner similar to the Big Ten-SEC partnership that developed in 2024. The immediate goals: To provide a united front on NCAA and CFP issues; and to develop new revenue streams through regular season and postseason scheduling alliances. But the relationship leads to serious conversations about the most sensible outcome of all: a bicoastal merger of the conferences. 2 Quote
UNLV2001 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 1/28/2025 at 1:02 PM, Spaztecs said: I thought this was the Pac happy ending thread. Alas, it has turned into the MW nightmare thread If the rumblings on the internet machine come to pass and UNLV and maybe Nevada make the jump to the PAC, that would ding the MWC & open the door for AF to exit AF Exiting might be a plus for MWC basketball though THere's two YouTube channels talking UNLV to the PAC Wonder if this us UNLV waiting to see media $$ which would be better than the MWC but how much better ?!?! I've said $2 to 3M better tops but if UNLV swings over to the PAC does that swing another $1 or $2M towards the PAC & against the MWC...........if so, then UNLV has to look at the bottom line and it's taking time for the MWC to see if the PAC exit/poaching fees will materialize as hoped.........if not, then the extra TV $$ could be the deciding factor for UNLV & UNR Quote
UNLV2001 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 1/28/2025 at 1:45 PM, Bigd said: Wilner just posted his predictions for the upcoming year, take it for what it's worth: https://www.mercurynews.com/2025/01/27/hotline-predictions-for-2025-cfp-and-ncaa-tournament-undergo-tweaks-as-realignment-marches-on/ 8. The Pac-12’s lawsuit against the Mountain West over the poaching penalty moves forward after a key March 25 hearing in the Northern District of California. Eventually, the process concludes with a negotiated settlement — university presidents loathe court trials — that results in a significant reduction from the $55 million owed to the Mountain West under the terms of the scheduling agreement. The development prompts UNLV and Air Force to reconsider their futures, with the Rebels jumping to the Pac-12 and the Falcons to the American. If this lawsuit drags on or gets settled for way less, then I do see that opening the door for UNLV & perhaps Nevada to move to the PAC -- At that point the extra $3-4M in TV $$ would cover what the MWC was promising We know the PAC will get more TV $ but how much more is the question ---- Not sure how much adding UNLV and or NV to the PAC bumps the TV $ but if it's enough to cover what the MWC was promising then either way UNLV gets paid over a number of years Quote
PTR Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 1/28/2025 at 2:00 PM, Spaztecs said: Hawaii, UNR, and UTEP are already in the MW. NMSU, Davis and Sacto will fill out the MW nicely. In this scenario, UNR follows UNLV out. Hawaii will have second thoughts as well as the television deal would be substantially less without AF and UNLV. Sac St. and GCU will back out as well. UNM at this point will do everything they can to nope out. If this plays out it will be current AAC teams staying put. Unlv, Reno, Texas St. to Pac. AF and possibly UNM to AAC. Wyoming possibly winds up in the Big Sky. UTEP returns to conference USA. RIP fighting Glorias. Quote
pomf Posted January 28 Posted January 28 I'm still not seeing it financially but if Reno gets into the PAC by riding UNLV's coattails I'm never letting my UNR coworkers hear the end of it. 1 1 Quote
Headbutt Posted January 28 Posted January 28 All the Pac presidents are in meetings for two days, starting today. Just procedural or something is brewing? Hopefully we'll hear. Quote
UNLV2001 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 1/28/2025 at 2:18 PM, Headbutt said: All the Pac presidents are in meetings for two days, starting today. Just procedural or something is brewing? Hopefully we'll hear. YOuTube Channel said it was AD's meetings - Mostly TV - But they also think there's news coming once the CBB season ends Quote
PTR Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 1/28/2025 at 2:07 PM, Smithy said: Don't know if NMSU is in the cards still, when you have NDSU ready to jump. Since having Davis already in, adding SacSt doesn't add in media value much since they are both in the same DMA. Plus it will be like playing a rival high school in the same town. I don't think people outside of NM really understand how bad things are at NMSU right now. We're talking dumpster fire even by NMSU standards. Their previous AD Marcos Moccia was really good despite Lobo fans thinking otherwise. During his tenure NMSU had their first Bowl win since 1960. First 10 win season since 1960. Hired Jerry Kill. Hired Chris Jans. Win against UConn in the NCAA tourney. Beat Auburn in football. Then he made one bad basketball hire and you had all of the well-documented hazing and bullying shit storm that followed. Fast forward to now and the new University President fired Moccia last month. The replacement AD is absolutely unqualified to be in that position. Almost laughably so. Her entire background is coordinating Title IX initiatives and compliance. It's so bad that I actually feel bad for NMSU as a UNM fan. I know there are/were a few Aggie fans on here, would love their takes. Quote
SleepingGiantFan Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 1/28/2025 at 12:45 PM, UNLV2001 said: 1. If the PAC & UNLV are in talks, I'd be happy with Nevada coming along & leaving MSU & TU in the AAC 2. Wouldn't mind New Mexico also in the picture 1. First if all, there is no longer an MSU. It's been Memphis for many years. I really don't care about Tulane because I see it as similar to Stanford in being an excellent private academic school but one that has been a roller coaster athletically. Stanford is down now but will inevitably be better in a decade or so but then be down again in another decade or so. Tulane is up now but will inevitably be down again in a decade or so, etc. Also, Stanford has just 17K students and change and Tulane has just 13K and change. So I'd rather see the nPAC get Memphis, TXST and the two Nevada schools. 2. After that, provided UNM improved its football program immensely (e.g., thoroughly renovated their stadium or, better yet, build a new one and began dominating what without AFA, UNLV and UNR would be a very weak MWC), THEN I MIGHT consider UNM as a possible addition to the MWC. Even in that event I wouldn't want the Lobos unless they started getting to the Sweet 16 once in awhle rather than being one and done so often. Quote
Ram1554 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 1/28/2025 at 2:00 PM, PTR said: In this scenario, UNR follows UNLV out. Hawaii will have second thoughts as well as the television deal would be substantially less without AF and UNLV. Sac St. and GCU will back out as well. UNM at this point will do everything they can to nope out. If this plays out it will be current AAC teams staying put. Unlv, Reno, Texas St. to Pac. AF and possibly UNM to AAC. Wyoming possibly winds up in the Big Sky. UTEP returns to conference USA. RIP fighting Glorias. I’m probably in the minority here, but if it doesn’t work out with the American schools then I’m all for Texas State, UNLV, Nevada, UNM, and Wyoming joining the PAC to make it 12 for football. Maybe throw St Mary’s in there to cover NorCal. 1 Quote
UtGrizfan Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 1/28/2025 at 2:07 PM, Smithy said: Don't know if NMSU is in the cards still, when you have NDSU ready to jump. Since having Davis already in, adding SacSt doesn't add in media value much since they are both in the same DMA. Plus it will be like playing a rival high school in the same town. If the MWC loses UNLV (to PAC) and Air Force (maybe AAC) they will be fine and still able to rebuild with what would still be a solid Conference, if they use common sense: SJSU.............Wyoming Nevada.........*NIU Hawaii..........NDSU UC-Davis......SDSU UNM.............Montana UTEP.............MSU **GCU * = Football Only ** = OLY Only Gives you 12 Football and 12 Basketball members.CIn this scenario UC-Davis brings in their Football to the Conference. A good breakdown of TZs with some successful brands and great fan bases/facilities. 1 Quote
Packman04 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 1/28/2025 at 3:14 PM, mugtang said: i’m sure it’s a pipe dream but is there really much of a difference between texas state and nevada? 1 Quote
Bigd Posted January 28 Posted January 28 I'm as big of a Nevada home as it gets, but I just don't see the Pac adding us. We weren't even on the list during the first raid. I just really hope the doomsday scenario of UNLV and Air Force leaving doesn't happen. The leftover MW would be a bottom of the barrel FBS league. Quote
Chalsean Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 1/28/2025 at 4:14 PM, mugtang said: I don't get it.. Wyoming, UNM, Hawaii would all be better than doubling down in the state of Nevada 1 Quote
Bigd Posted January 28 Posted January 28 On 1/28/2025 at 3:38 PM, Chalsean said: I don't get it.. Wyoming, UNM, Hawaii would all be better than doubling down in the state of Nevada And unless the exit fees just completely fall apart, I still don't see the advantage for Nevada & UNLV. Is not playing Wyoming, UNM, & Hawaii worth the millions that it would cost us? I think the new MW is a good opportunity for both schools to grow their programs. But we'll see what happens... Quote
pomf Posted January 29 Posted January 29 On 1/28/2025 at 3:38 PM, Chalsean said: I don't get it.. Wyoming, UNM, Hawaii would all be better than doubling down in the state of Nevada Fuck Reno but they feel due for a turnaround and geographically they're right in the middle of everyone in the PAC if UNLV joins. They'd be a super convenient 9th member to round out the conference. Quote
mugtang Posted January 29 Posted January 29 On 1/28/2025 at 4:06 PM, pomf said: Fuck Reno but they feel due for a turnaround and geographically they're right in the middle of everyone in the PAC if UNLV joins. They'd be a super convenient 9th member to round out the conference. Plus Reno is the fastest growing city on the west coast. We are getting a brand new basketball arena in 2027. I know our football facilities have been lagging behind but there’s an effort to get them updated. We’re building an indoor practice facility starting in April and are pumping more money into football staff salaries. We have a ways to go but better late than never I suppose… 2 Quote
Headbutt Posted January 29 Posted January 29 I’ve said it before, why spend millions just to have the same teams put a different conference logo on the field? No offense to any of the remaining MWC teams, but if the PAC doesn’t open up the geography and raid the AAC, they’re just having a very public and stupid circle jerk. It has to be a new conference, not just a renamed MWC. Otherwise all of the members were lied to, by each other. 2 1 Quote
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