Trump Executive Orders

[Slapdad]

On 1/27/2025 at 11:27 AM, azgreg said:

I wonder what was going on in Central and South America where they were one of the worst in suffering Covid causing people to want to immigrate to a country that handled Covid much better? Oh wait....I answered my own country. We must remember that teh overwhelming driver in immigration isn't policy but rather condition in countries that people are immigrating from. If you were in a country that was devastated ny Covid (major inflation, massive job loss, etc) and saw that a country to teh North was in far better shape, would you consider immigrating there?

 

I have no problem with people immigrating here. There is, however, a big difference between immigrating here and sneaking across the border, but the narrative presented here too often is that if you're against securing the border, you're anti-immigration. If we're talking about seeking asylum, then I'm back to our previous comments about following procedures where those seeking asylum are, according to international law, to do so at the next safe country, which would be Panama in the case of those coming from South America. In fact, Panama would also be the closest country for those getting away from hyper-inflationary economies as well. I also don't blame people for trying by any means possible to come here...I'd probably do the same if I were in their shoes. But if I did so and got caught, I would also completely understand them shipping me home. We do have a right to secure our borders like every other country and those that support it, have a right to do so without being called racists. 

[azgreg]

Who defines what the "next safe country" is? Is it determined by that particular country? If you ask members of the GQP non of the countries south of the Unites States are "safe" countries.

 

[azgreg]

On 1/27/2025 at 9:56 AM, Slapdad said:

but the narrative presented here too often is that if you're against securing the border, you're anti-immigration.

I think you meant for securing the border here.

By the way, nobody here is against securing the border, we just differ on how to do it.

 

[happycamper]

On 1/26/2025 at 3:01 PM, retrofade said:

seems like a great way to say "sure colombian farmers we spent billions to convince to grow flowers instead of coca. you should go back to growing coca"

[Slapdad]

On 1/27/2025 at 12:02 PM, azgreg said:

Who defines what the "next safe country" is? Is it determined by that particular country? If you ask members of the GQP non of the countries south of the Unites States are "safe" countries.

 

In some cases, it's a Safe Third Country agreement, but even though I know your post is TIC, this isn't a difficult determination to make. In most cases, a person's safety is very identifiable and localized. A friend of mine here in Houston and his family sought (and was granted) asylum in Panama after he and his family were targeted by guerillas in Colombia after death threats for ignoring offers of "protection" while attempting to extort from them. A few years later, he came to the U.S. on a work visa and was sponsored by that employer.

To further your TIC comment, the U.S. could be considered an unsafe destination as well, depending on where you end up....but that's neither here nor there. 

[AztecAlien]

On 1/27/2025 at 11:05 AM, azgreg said:

I think you meant for securing the border here.

By the way, nobody here is against securing the border, we just differ on how to do it.

 

The failure here is not ever addressing that the Biden administration should take any criticism on how it handled the southern border for three and a half years while ignoring the majority of Americans. I've stated multiple times that I am not anti-immigration. Come here legally, for security reasons alone, I have no problem. However, I got the I hate Mexicans tag. 

 

 

 

[Cowboy Up]

On 1/27/2025 at 11:18 AM, AztecAlien said:

The failure here is not ever addressing that the Biden administration should take any criticism on how it handled the Southern Border for three and a half years while ignoring the majority of Americans. I've stated multiple times that I am not anti-immigration. Come here legally, for security reasons alone, I have no problem. However, I got the I hate Mexicans tag. 

 

 

 

You are not wrong.  I’m seriously trying to have a conversation here so do with this what you will.  I have a problem with people coming across the boarder illegally.  Done the right and be vetted then I’m good.  

[AztecAlien]

On 1/27/2025 at 11:21 AM, Cowboy Up said:

You are not wrong.  I’m seriously trying to have a conversation here so do with this what you will.  I have a problem with people coming across the boarder illegally.  Done the right and be vetted then I’m good.  

I appreciate you trying to have a conversation. Haven't really had a whole lot of that from you. Mostly just slammed or falsely tagged for my opinions. 

[azgreg]

On 1/27/2025 at 10:26 AM, AztecAlien said:

Haven't really had a whole lot of that. 

Overwhelmingly your fault.

 

[Slapdad]

On 1/27/2025 at 12:21 PM, Cowboy Up said:

You are not wrong.  I’m seriously trying to have a conversation here so do with this what you will.  I have a problem with people coming across the boarder illegally.  Done the right and be vetted then I’m good.  

I think we're all (mostly) on the same page then. Dems have been talking about the border crisis since Clinton and nothing was ever done, so when Trump came in and shut it down, I thought it would be a non-issue going forward, but the Biden administration set the tone that they were going to do the opposite of Trump just to spite him. Sometimes, it takes an A-hole to get things done and Trump is and was that guy and he set the tone that illegal immigrants were not welcome here and the number of border crossings dropped dramatically...all of which was undone by the rhetoric of Biden/Harris. Sometimes the rhetoric is more powerful than any policy and Biden seemed more interested in sticking it to Trump, which was his undoing. He should have just let the A-hole tone set by Trump simmer. This is not directed at you, mind you, as you've been reasonable and willing to have a conversation.....just giving my $0.02 on the subject. 

[AztecAlien]

On 1/27/2025 at 11:27 AM, azgreg said:

Overwhelmingly your fault.

 

Yeah, I really appreciate when someone just makes shit up and tags me whenever I try to engage. 

[renoskier]

On 1/27/2025 at 10:18 AM, AztecAlien said:

The failure here is not ever addressing that the Biden administration should take any criticism on how it handled the southern border for three and a half years while ignoring the majority of Americans. I've stated multiple times that I am not anti-immigration. Come here legally, for security reasons alone, I have no problem. However, I got the I hate Mexicans tag. 

 

 

 

I'll try to engage you, even though I know you won't respond in kind...

Without agreeing that Biden mis-handled the border for three and a half years, the reason folks might be considered xenophobic is because even though we experienced record low unemployment during Biden's term, and even though we also experienced solid wage growth during Biden's presidency, folks still scream about the "border" even though it's having no negative impact on the economy. The violent crime rate also continued to decrease during his term.

so if "illegal immigration" isn't having a negative affect on our economy and isn't having a negative affect on crime, one needs to ask themselves, "what else could be driving this emotional anti-immigrant response?"

[AztecAlien]

On 1/27/2025 at 11:35 AM, renoskier said:

I'll try to engage you, even though I know you won't respond in kind...

Without agreeing that Biden mis-handled the border for three and a half years, the reason folks might be considered xenophobic is because even though we experienced record low unemployment during Biden's term, and even though we also experienced solid wage growth during Biden's presidency, folks still scream about the "border" even though it's having no negative impact on the economy. The violent crime rate also continued to decrease during his term.

so if "illegal immigration" isn't having a negative affect on our economy and isn't having a negative affect on crime, one needs to ask themselves, "what else could be driving this emotional anti-immigrant response?"

Why should I after your first sentence? And when I do, it doesn't matter. 

[renoskier]

On 1/27/2025 at 10:30 AM, Slapdad said:

...He should have just let the A-hole tone set by Trump simmer. This is not directed at you, mind you, as you've been reasonable and willing to have a conversation.....just giving my $0.02 on the subject. 

but isn't that what he did? Didn't he keep the "emergency remain in Mexico order" in place until the court said he couldn't because we were no longer in a pandemic situation?

[AztecAlien]

@renoskier

This is one reason why Trump is serving a second term. 

Three and a half years of ignoring this. By the summer of 2024 it was too late. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-americans-view-the-situation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-its-causes-and-consequences/

"Just 18% say the U.S. government is doing a good job dealing with the large number of migrants at the border, while 80% say it is doing a bad job, including 45% who say it is doing a very bad job.

Republicans’ views are overwhelmingly negative (89% say it’s doing a bad job), as they have been since Joe Biden became president.

73% of Democrats also give the government negative ratings, the highest share recorded during Biden’s presidency."

People were labeled as being racist if they spoke out and got tired of it. 

 

[Slapdad]

On 1/27/2025 at 12:40 PM, renoskier said:

but isn't that what he did? Didn't he keep the "emergency remain in Mexico order" in place until the court said he couldn't because we were no longer in a pandemic situation?

But the rhetoric they put out there wasn’t in line with that. When you tell those thinking of coming here to “surge the border” and “Say it loud, say it clear, everyone is welcome here.", that is setting the tone. Harris later told them “do not come”, but by then, the tone was set. 

[bornontheblue]

 

[RSF]

New EO soon to be released that will require MASH reruns be edited to remove any scenes with Cpl Klinger.

[azgreg]

On 1/27/2025 at 10:40 AM, renoskier said:

but isn't that what he did? Didn't he keep the "emergency remain in Mexico order" in place until the court said he couldn't because we were no longer in a pandemic situation?

Then they created CBP One which effectively did the same thing.

 

[thelawlorfaithful]

Petra’s tweet is funniest goddamn thing I’ve ever seen from a world leader. Sacco and Vanzetti, Paul Simon, Aureliano Buendia, and gastritis, it’s just a roller coaster.