Just_Chris Posted February 2 Posted February 2 On 1/31/2025 at 8:32 PM, RebelTexan said: Good point. That's what I dont get. Why did Livengood go the cheapo route after Lon left instead of getting the money together and going after another established coach? And why Rice? He's a great assistant, but doesnt seem like head coach material. Even Tark thought Theus was more suited for the job. I didn't have an issue with the Rice hire, it seemed like the right move at the time. That being said after some really embarrassing loses in the NCAA Tournament to scrub teams it was apparent he wasn't cut out for the job. Quote
Lobonado Posted February 2 Posted February 2 We might be looking for new coaches together if Pitino jumps ship this offseason. Quote
The San Diegan Posted February 2 Posted February 2 On 1/30/2025 at 4:46 PM, MissionTrails said: Please tell me he really wrote "wives" 😂 Makes me think of the Jimmer sign in 2011: "One of your moms gave me mono." 3 Quote
4UNLV Posted February 3 Posted February 3 On 1/31/2025 at 7:42 PM, VincentVegaBond2 said: Tragically, everything you said is true. Wouldn't have taken a ton to have Lon return, just a respectable counteroffer and a little (deserved) appreciation. Unbelievably bad decision. Well, maybe they should be paying him now to take over for Kevin, lol. 1 Quote
Just_Chris Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/2/2025 at 7:06 PM, 4UNLV said: Well, maybe they should be paying him now to take over for Kevin, lol. If they fire him and I do believe the decision has already been made to do so I wonder what direction they go ? My guess is Harper tries to get an established name but I don't think Jay Wright will be interested. I don't know who will be out there but if we went with an up and coming coach I really like the guy at UCSB; Joe Pasternak (spelling) a good pedigree, learned from Bobby Knight and Ben Braun as well as Sean Miller at U of A. He's gotten them to the tournament a few times as well. It's the total opposite side of the country but the guy at Furman has future star all over him too, Portland kind of sucks but a lot of people really like their coach but have to win first. A darkhorse for me is Robrt Jones, he's probably not a serious candidate or even on the radar but he's the coach at Norfolk State and he has done nothing but win. I'd like to see what he could do at a bigger program with resources. MEAC life is not easy and to consistently play in the postseason is really hard at those schools. Quote
crsmitty04 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Jay Wright is definitely someone I'd love to know we at least reached out to. That said, NIL has been such a gamechanger. No idea how a coach like him would fare in this new player-for-hire environment. As I recall, he thrived with cohesive, senior-laden teams. Quote
UNLV2001 Posted February 4 Author Posted February 4 Can't see Jay Wright coming back to UNLV at this point of his career / life .........he's been here, and "done that" at Villanova so I can't see why he'd come to UNLV at this point & in this college "pay for play" era Quote
Qwelish Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Well that was a long winding road to get to - who's going to be the new coach? I've asked a few people I know for names. Everyone has been super-tight lipped. That makes me think something is in the works. I have no names, but I think everything will happen fast. Just like with football. Quote
Quickdraw Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Still need $8 to $10mm in new money. Just saying… Quote
Qwelish Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 7:47 AM, Quickdraw said: Still need $8 to $10mm in new money. Just saying… While true, UNLV will need to allocate 5-6 mil to pay Kruger over the next 6 years anyhow. The additional 3-5 mil is really a bump or large increase in base for a new coach, and the additional 800k to pay Kruger to coach some place else for a year. That's unless AD EH goes cheap. Which I think most of us doubt he will. Then again, Lon Kruger was hired here for 700k to start. He worked his way up to 1.1m, that was 20 years ago. Rice and Menzies were also hired for 700k, less than KKs 775k which is silly, because why? If UNLV goes value again, I trust AD EH to get UNLV a better value on its 800k per annum, than its getting now The real question is will UNLV be able to absorb an additional 800k along with the new coaches salary in year one? I don't see why not. Quote
Qwelish Posted February 4 Posted February 4 I didn't realize Eric Mussleman was hired to coach reno for 400k per year to start. AD did a great job there. 1 Quote
Quickdraw Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 1/19/2025 at 7:20 PM, Quickdraw said: So buyout: $800,000 Additional for quality new coach: $1,000,000 (total $1.8mm minimum per yr for a quality proven coach) Additional for quality assistants: $400,000 Total additional year 1: $2,200,000 Additional years 2-5: $1,400,000 * 4 years Total 5 year additional: $7,800,000 So everything should go as planned as soon as the AD comes up with an additional commitment of almost $8mm. That is the additional commitment. That would put our new head coach in line with what CSU is paying Medved which is 2nd the conference. Dutcher is making around $2.5mm this year for reference. We also just doubled our football coach’s contract and probably a tad more for assistants. That is the reality that Harper and Whitfield are dealing with. Just sayin… https://www.coloradoan.com/story/sports/csu/mens-basketball/2024/04/15/niko-medved-contract-where-colorado-state-basketball-coach-salary-ranks-mountain-west/73331829007/ I wasn’t talking $8mm total, I’m talking new and additional funding as I said before. I’m all in for a change as this current staff has proved its capacity but this is the reality. As always, talk is cheap and cheap hasn’t worked just like in football. 1 1 Quote
InnZoneU Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 10:30 AM, Quickdraw said: I wasn’t talking $8mm total, I’m talking new and additional funding as I said before. I’m all in for a change as this current staff has proved its capacity but this is the reality. As always, talk is cheap and cheap hasn’t worked just like in football. I see it as extremely difficult for any non power program to field nationally relevant programs in BOTH FB and BB. Look at the top25 BB rankings. The only non power schools don't even have FB programs. Meanwhile the schools that never gave a shit about BB litter the top 25. In our situations, it's really kind of like one, or the other. I don't think G schools have much of a shot super-funding both programs like they need to be to win at the highest levels. 1 Quote
Qwelish Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 11:09 AM, Bigd said: Mike Brown? I like nba coaches because sometimes; see Mussleman, they will take reduced initial pay to get back into a head seat. Retired coaches as well. A guy like Mike Brown has zero problems getting recruits and he's a top flight teacher of the game. Quote
Qwelish Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 10:48 AM, InnZoneU said: I see it as extremely difficult for any non power program to field nationally relevant programs in BOTH FB and BB. Look at the top25 BB rankings. The only non power schools don't even have FB programs. Meanwhile the schools that never gave a shit about BB litter the top 25. In our situations, it's really kind of like one, or the other. I don't think G schools have much of a shot super-funding both programs like they need to be to win at the highest levels. I don't see it that way at all. Lots of schools fare better in both sports than UNLV; See boise state. On 2/4/2025 at 10:30 AM, Quickdraw said: I wasn’t talking $8mm total, I’m talking new and additional funding as I said before. I’m all in for a change as this current staff has proved its capacity but this is the reality. As always, talk is cheap and cheap hasn’t worked just like in football. I still don't see some of that money as additional except in year 1. Outside of any pay bumps a new coach would command. Money for staff and head coach have to be alloted anyway. Plus, Lon was cheap. I'm thinking 800k to 1.1m for new coach and a bump to staff. AD EH is also hot right now. I can't see how he could not raise around what DRF did. He raised enough to make Mullen the highest paid coach in Nevada history. Quote
InnZoneU Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 11:22 AM, Qwelish said: I don't see it that way at all. Lots of schools fare better in both sports than UNLV; See boise state. I still don't see some of that money as additional except in year 1. Outside of any pay bumps a new coach would command. Money for staff and head coach have to be alloted anyway. Plus, Lon was cheap. I'm thinking 800k to 1.1m for new coach and a bump to staff. AD EH is also hot right now. I can't see how he could not raise around what DRF did. He raised enough to make Mullen the highest paid coach in Nevada history. Boise St. basketball is not nationally relevant in BB. Come on man. Maybe SDSU a few years ago when they had 2 or 3 good years of both FB&BB together. Those were outliers, which relates to my extremely difficult reference. Any other outliers you'd like to point out? 1 Quote
Qwelish Posted February 4 Posted February 4 On 2/4/2025 at 11:36 AM, InnZoneU said: Boise St. basketball is not nationally relevant in BB. Come on man. Maybe SDSU a few years ago when they had 2 or 3 good years of both FB&BB together. Those were outliers, which relates to my extremely difficult reference. Any other outliers you'd like to point out? Utah was good in both, also Cincinnati, UCF has done well. Plus I did not say nationally relevant, although it is possible. I said better than UNLV in both. Which is a longer list. Pasternak makes 500k at ucsb. I think UNLV can get more bang for its 800k without increasing anything. Increasing just widens the pool of candidates. Quote
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