Trump to Begin Large-Scale Deportations Tuesday

[Sactowndog]

On 1/21/2025 at 8:54 AM, azgreg said:

Many years ago when Schwarzenegger was governor California tried a law forcing farmers to hire Americans before offering jobs to migrant workers. Reports were that Americans rarely answered the ads. The ones that called didn't show up for in person interviews, and one farmer stated that only one guy showed up to work and he quit the next day. Bush Jr was right when he wanted a guest worker program. His own party told him to fuck off.

   

I was a collegiate swimmer thinking about potentially joining the Peace Corp for 2 years out of College.  To give myself a taste I did a summer college internship for Organic/Sustainable ag.  The farm had two Mexican laborers who both kicked my ass in terms of getting stuff done.  I decided I didn’t want to work that hard and abandoned the Peace Corp for computer sales.  

[Sactowndog]

On 1/21/2025 at 7:58 AM, Soupslam said:

Probably because the last time there was a similar compromise under Reagan the Democrats went back on their part of the bargain. 
 

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/dont-get-fooled-again-trump-and-congress-can-learn-from-reagan-and-reform-our-immigration-system

Oh okay.  Probably correct since the last one didn’t have a single Dem priority.  No citizenship for Dreamers.  Nothing.  

[Posturedoc]

On 1/21/2025 at 11:51 AM, AztecAlien said:

Well, I don't know about all this. AlpineSummer posted long-drawn-out information that turned out to be incorrect many times. He also was caught multiple times manipulating numbers while trying to pull the wool over people's eyes in order to fit his narrative or arguments. When someone challenged that, he would go to the usual ad-hominem backlash or take his ball and go home for a while. It goes both ways, and that should be pointed out as well. There's a lot of one-sidedness criticism that take place on this board. 

Was he really caught manipulating numbers a bunch of times to fool others or did his opponents simply disagree with his conclusions and, as the debates progressed and unable to discredit his information, resorted to TLDR, “fake smrt guy” or some other vapid misdirection in order to invalidate him? I’m betting that happened a lot. As for Alpine deploying ad hominems, lol! I mean, yes, at times, but I’d wager the ratio of ad hominems received to ad hominems delivered by Alpine exceeded 10:1, with him rarely being the person initiating those exchanges. 

I’m frankly surprised that you would lead with “long-drawn-out information” and characterize that in the negative. You have complained multiple times that what you really want is a respectful exchange of ideas and information here. Alpine offered(s) that more than almost any other poster I can remember on this forum extending back more than two decades. Will there sometimes be exasperated replies when asked to repeat the same defense for the umpteenth time? Well, yes. Few of us have the patience to coddle an obtuse debate opponent or somebody who is incapable of actually arguing the merits of the issue because they are simply too dense (but don’t know it) or too lazy to do so. That is how I interpreted most of his less wholesome interactions. Is he capable of lashing out unnecessarily? Sure. We’re all human beings here, and sometimes we do, or in this case, write things we might later regret. You and I have already had that conversation.

I miss Alpine’s input. This forum could use far more thoughtful intellectualism and far fewer sophomoric insults.

[renoskier]

On 1/21/2025 at 11:51 AM, AztecAlien said:

Well, I don't know about all this. AlpineSummer posted long-drawn-out information that turned out to be incorrect many times. He also was caught multiple times manipulating numbers while trying to pull the wool over people's eyes in order to fit his narrative or arguments. When someone challenged that, he would go to the usual ad-hominem backlash or take his ball and go home for a while. It goes both ways, and that should be pointed out as well. There's a lot of one-sided criticism that take place on this board and should be adressed as well if someone is to be taken seriously. 

 

 

 

This is a strawman, I don't believe this ever happened at all, much less "many times"

 

 

[AztecAlien]

On 1/21/2025 at 1:28 PM, Posturedoc said:

Was he really caught manipulating numbers a bunch of times to fool others or did his opponents simply disagree with his conclusions and, as the debates progressed and unable to discredit his information, resorted to TLDR, “fake smrt guy” or some other vapid misdirection in order to invalidate him? I’m betting that happened a lot. As for Alpine deploying ad hominems, lol! I mean, yes, at times, but I’d wager the ratio of ad hominems received to ad hominems delivered by Alpine exceeded 10:1 with him rarely being the person initiating those exchanges. 

I’m frankly surprised that you would lead with “long-drawn-out information” and characterize that in the negative. You have complained multiple times that what you really want is respectful exchange of ideas and information here. Alpine offered(s) that more than almost any other poster I can remember on this forum extending back more than two decades. Will there sometimes be exasperated replies when asked to repeat the same defense for the umpteenth time? Well, yes. Few of us have the patience to coddle an obtuse debate opponent or somebody who is incapable of actually arguing the merits of the issue because they are simply too dense (but don’t know it) or too lazy to do so. That is how I interpreted most of his less wholesome interactions. Is he capable of lashing out unnecessarily? Sure. We’re all human beings here, and sometimes we do, or in this case, write things we might later regret. You and I have already had that conversation.

I miss Alpine’s input. This forum could use far more thoughtful intellectualism and far fewer sophomoric insults.

I think Alpine is an intellectual. But he doesn't like being challenged. And yes, he was, especially in the lab leak theory thread on the other board. He tried to claim in a poll, that over 80% out of 2,100 medical professionals agreed with his theory that SARS-CoV-2 was spread through zoologic origins and not leaked from a lab in China. The only problem with that was, when you looked closer to his data he provided, less than 90 took part in the poll out of the 2,100 and gave that opinion. So, it was actually only 80% of less than 90. When that was revealed, he took his ball and went home and didn't post for a while.

I caught him claiming that the majority of the world has a positive opinion of the United States and Americans. He posted a Gallup poll trying to prove his argument. Again, the problem was, only 20+ countries took part in that poll and it left out over a 170 countries. Also, two countries in that poll no longer had a favorable opinion of the U.S and Americans. He then went to his ad hominem strategy. It didn't work. 

He was also wrong with all his intellectual insights regarding the election results. Completely wrong, so he disappeared. It was the utenation effect. 

So yeah, a lot of one-sided criticism being thrown around and claims of being intellectually superior. I can tell you undoubtedly there are some on the left here that shouldn't be making those claims. There are a lot of followers on this board that have the inability of any type of self-thought. Copy and paste jobs while questioning others' intelligence is a perfect example. 

I'll take you more seriously when you can point out hypocrisy that comes from both sides. I have yet to see that. 

Sorry for the errors. I just hit send. 

[RSF]

On 1/21/2025 at 3:07 PM, AztecAlien said:

I think Alpine is an intellectual. But he doesn't like being challenged. And yes, he was, especially in the lab leak theory thread on the other board. He tried to claim in a poll, that over 80% out of 2,100 medical professionals agreed with his theory that SARS-CoV-2 was spread through zoologic origins and not leaked from a lab in China. The only problem with that was, when you looked closer to his data he provided, less than 90 people out of the 2,100 gave that opinion in that poll. When that was revealed, he took his ball and went home and didn't post for a while.

I caught him claiming that the majority of the world has a positive opinion of the United States and Americans. He posted a Gallup poll trying to prove his argument. Again, the problem was, that the poll left out 170 countries and two of the countries in that poll no longer had a favorable opinion of the U.S. So he went to his ad hominem strategy. It didn't work. 

He was also wrong with all his intellectual insights regarding the election results. Completely wrong, so he disappeared. It was the utteration effect. 

So yeah, a lot of one-sided criticism being thrown around and claims of being intellectually superior. I can tell you undoubtedly there are some on the left here that shouldn't be making those claims. There are a lot of followers on this board that have the inability of any type of self-thought. Copy and paste jobs while questioning others' intelligence is a perfect example. 

I'll take you more seriously when you can point out hypocrisy that comes from both sides. I have to see that. 

 

 

 

When an emoji reaction just isnt enough....

 

[renoskier]

On 1/21/2025 at 1:07 PM, AztecAlien said:

I think Alpine is an intellectual. But he doesn't like being challenged. And yes, he was, especially in the lab leak theory thread on the other board. He tried to claim in a poll, that over 80% out of 2,100 medical professionals agreed with his theory that SARS-CoV-2 was spread through zoologic origins and not leaked from a lab in China. The only problem with that was, when you looked closer to his data he provided, less than 90 took part in the poll out of the 2,100 and gave that opinion. So, it was actually only 80% of less than 90.

 

here you go again...

AlpineSummer doesn't mind being challenged, that was a great back and forth between him and halfmanhalfbronco. And neither backed down or ran away. Both have strong opinions about the subject and there's still not a definitive answer.

[AztecAlien]

On 1/21/2025 at 2:23 PM, renoskier said:

here you go again...

AlpineSummer doesn't mind being challenged, that was a great back and forth between him and halfmanhalfbronco. And neither backed down or ran away. Both have strong opinions about the subject and there's still not a definitive answer.

He posted manipulated data multiple times in different threads to fit his narrative and was called out. 

I was also questioning him as well. I have always been on the side of a lab leak and was throughout that entire thread while being slammed from the self-proclaimed intellectual superiors. Looks more and more like that's what happened, and the lying left media that most here are glued to tried to cover it up.

Fauci is a world criminal. 

[Posturedoc]

On 1/21/2025 at 1:07 PM, AztecAlien said:

I think Alpine is an intellectual. But he doesn't like being challenged. And yes, he was, especially in the lab leak theory thread on the other board. He tried to claim in a poll, that over 80% out of 2,100 medical professionals agreed with his theory that SARS-CoV-2 was spread through zoologic origins and not leaked from a lab in China. The only problem with that was, when you looked closer to his data he provided, less than 90 took part in the poll out of the 2,100 and gave that opinion. So, it was actually only 80% of less than 90. When that was revealed, he took his ball and went home and didn't post for a while.

I caught him claiming that the majority of the world has a positive opinion of the United States and Americans. He posted a Gallup poll trying to prove his argument. Again, the problem was, only 20+ countries took part in that poll and it left out over a 170 countries. Also, two countries in that poll no longer had a favorable opinion of the U.S and Americans. He then went to his ad hominem strategy. It didn't work. 

He was also wrong with all his intellectual insights regarding the election results. Completely wrong, so he disappeared. It was the utenation effect. 

So yeah, a lot of one-sided criticism being thrown around and claims of being intellectually superior. I can tell you undoubtedly there are some on the left here that shouldn't be making those claims. There are a lot of followers on this board that have the inability of any type of self-thought. Copy and paste jobs while questioning others' intelligence is a perfect example. 

I'll take you more seriously when you can point out hypocrisy that comes from both sides. I have to see that. 
 

If Alpine didn’t like being challenged, he wouldn’t spend the time creating all of those long, information-packed posts we used to see from him. That’s just a silly argument for you to make. His reduced presence on this forum has nothing to do with irritation at being challenged, it is 100% related to the middle-school level exchanges of insults that serve as 90% of what’s counted as “debate” around here these days.

Many of us were wrong in our hopeful interpretation of polls and reporting leading up to the election. With a few exceptions here, like your favorite @Spaztecs and @Sactowndog (interestingly enough, both former or maybe still registered Republicans and presumably more supportive of conservative politics of 20-30 years ago than today’s Democratic Party that you often lump them into, but clear-eyed enough to see the dangers in the shift to authoritarianism in Trump’s Republican Party) both sides grabbed hold of whatever they could that supported their candidate’s chances in November’s election. I can’t blame Alpine—if this is part of the reason for his reduced presence—or anybody else who backed away from posting for a time or even permanently in the face of the country reelecting such a horrible, unpredictable and unqualified human being a second time. Had Trump lost, how many of the newly emboldened (to post) Trump supporters here would have contributed near the volume of posts that we’ve seen since the election? Far fewer of them would post much less often, and I’d wager many not at all. That is a “being human” reaction to great disappointment, not a tail-between-the-legs disappearance.

With respect to what you believe you “caught” him erroneously claiming (insinuating he had an agenda he was willing to lie in order to prove) I’d have to go back and reread those threads on the old forum and draw my own conclusions. Maybe I’d agree with you, maybe I wouldn’t. But I have more important things to do with my day (and life) so I’m not going to do that. 

I’ll take you more seriously when you cease engaging in mindless poo flinging and follow through on your wish to engage sincerely with an open mind. Put on your big boy pants and ignore your antagonists and they’ll eventually tire of one-sided jabs that elicit no response.

[AztecAlien]

On 1/21/2025 at 3:02 PM, Posturedoc said:

If Alpine didn’t like being challenged, he wouldn’t spend the time creating all of those long, information-packed posts we used to see from him. That’s just a silly argument for you to make. His reduced presence on this forum has nothing to do with irritation at being challenged, it is 100% related to the middle-school level exchanges of insults that serve as 90% of what’s counted as “debate” around here these days.

Many of us were wrong in our hopeful interpretation of polls and reporting leading up to the election. With a few exceptions here, like your favorite @Spaztecs and @Sactowndog (interestingly enough, both former or maybe still registered Republicans and presumably more supportive of conservative politics of 20-30 years ago than today’s Democratic Party that you often lump them into, but clear-eyed enough to see the dangers in the shift to authoritarianism in Trump’s Republican Party) both sides grabbed hold of whatever they could that supported their candidate’s chances in November’s election. I can’t blame Alpine or anybody else who backed away from posting for awhile or even permanently in the face of the country reelecting such a horrible, unpredictable and unqualified human being a second time. Had Trump lost, how many of the newly emboldened (to post) Trump supporters here would have contributed near the volume of posts that we’ve seen since the election? Far fewer of them would post much less often, and I’d wager many not at all. That is a “being human” reaction to great disappointment, not a tail-between-the-legs disappearance.

With respect to what you believe you “caught” him erroneously claiming (insinuating he had an agenda he was willing to lie in order to prove) I’d have to go back and reread those threads on the old forum and draw my own conclusions. Maybe I’d agree with you, maybe I wouldn’t. But I have more important things to do with my day (and life) so I’m not going to do that. 

I’ll take you more seriously when you cease engaging in mindless poo flinging and follow through on wish to engage sincerely with an open mind. Put on your big boy pants and ignore your antagonists and they’ll eventually tire of one-sided jabs that elicit no response.

We'll talk another time. 

[Soupslam]

On 1/21/2025 at 12:29 PM, Chile_Ute said:

I’m not advocating for that at all.

OP I commented on was that deportations in the past didn’t affect consumer prices.  My question was during that time, was the influx of immigrants coming in greater than who was getting kicked out?  I think over time if there was a hard stop on illegal immigration (relying on the current legal pathway) we’d see a more dramatic effect on keeping those jobs filled.  
 

My suspicion is that’s when it will hurt.

Much clearer than your initial post. Thanks

[CoachKenFTW]

On 1/21/2025 at 11:55 AM, Sactowndog said:

I was a collegiate swimmer thinking about potentially joining the Peace Corp for 2 years out of College.  To give myself a taste I did a summer college internship for Organic/Sustainable ag.  The farm had two Mexican laborers who both kicked my ass in terms of getting stuff done.  I decided I didn’t want to work that hard and abandoned the Peace Corp for computer sales.  

You'll get your second chance at a career of picking fruits and vegetables when Phase 2 of America First kicks in. The best part about it is you won't have to worry about quitting.

[UNLV2001]

On 1/22/2025 at 10:10 AM, CoachKenFTW said:

You'll get your second chance at a career of picking fruits and vegetables when Phase 2 of America First kicks in. The best part about it is you won't have to worry about quitting.

Not sure how the LOSS is going to reduce prices when he's deporting the workforce that produces foods  -- But then the LOSS never was going to do anything about prices 

[Akkula]

Lol...us farmers didn't think he was actually going to do what he said.   We won't have any food in a few days if he deports all our workers!  I voted for him,  tho! 

Why are ICE agents not being dispatched immediately?  This guy admits on camera he hires illegals.  Shut these places down now!

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMkQ2PeVs/

[InnZoneU]

If an illegal is detained from any business while working, that business owner should be facing criminal charges.

[ridgeview2]

The school I work at went on lockdown today because the local PD officers were going around handing out warrents. I expect ICE and BP agents in the area over the next few days. 

[Spaztecs]

On 1/21/2025 at 10:22 AM, azgreg said:

The irony is guest/migrant workers are the epitome of what republicans state they abide by. They're hard working, overwhelmingly Christian, pull-yourself-up-by-the-boot-strap type people.

 

 

They're just not white enough and they're damned Papists !

[Spaztecs]

On 1/21/2025 at 10:35 AM, AztecAlien said:

It's strange that prices keep going up, and yet companies are still using the same labor. 🤔 

NT

[Spaztecs]

On 1/21/2025 at 11:15 AM, The Barber said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump administration focuses on areas that apparently hate Illegal Immigrants, and ignores farming communities in California.

 

NY Democratic Mayor apparently wants the immigrants deported, and seems to be buddies with Trump now.

Chicago seems to be overburdened with immigrants and wants them gone.

Neither is a farming area, that relies on immigrants for food production and harvesting. 

Construction and service workers gonna get mighty slim in those places. 

[Spaztecs]

On 1/21/2025 at 11:18 AM, The Barber said:

Calling them stupid and racist won't win elections, though.   The Democrats tried that and the rust belt didn't like it, and voted for Trump.

 

The rust belt seems angry and depressed because they don't have any jobs in some areas, particularly in smaller towns.

Need to figure a way to get them healthy (lose weight), get them jobs and off welfare (people feel happier when productive and have more money).

Not sure about the answer.   Former Democrat RFK Jr says its all about too much hydrogenated seed oils, and wants them on a rice and beans diet, like they eat in South America.

That's going to go over well.