Trump to Begin Large-Scale Deportations Tuesday

[NorCalCoug]

On 1/20/2025 at 6:41 PM, Spaztecs said:

Who's going to work their jobs ?

Americans ?

roflmao

Inconvenient fact for you because you’re incredibly stupid and uninformed…. Your hero Obama deported more during his 1st term than Trump did during his.  In 2012 alone Obama deported more than 400K.  Now compare that to Trump’s peak year of deportations in 2019 with around 267k.  Funny, I don’t recall the economy falling apart during either term do you?  Who worked their jobs when the Great Deporter Obama did his thing?  Why do Trump deportations bother you so much but not Obama’s?  Why is it racist when Trump does it but not Obama?  I know why - teams and shit…. You’re a hypocrite, like most in this echo chamber.

[ridgeview2]

On 1/18/2025 at 11:29 AM, FresnoFacts said:

I am interested in seeing the collateral impacts and reactions to these operations. I think we will see more than just roundups of "bad guys".

And the impacts may be far ranging.

Border Patrol two weeks ago ran a sweep around Bakersfield. BP sent 60 officers to Kern County from Imperial County offices and said they arrested 78 people including some felons.

But BP also admits they identified and arrested others only because they were in the country illegally.

All arrested were transported to El Centro on the border for detention.

 

The operation rippled through the Kern County and Valley economy for several days in other ways. Some media quotes:

"About 30% of employees at Bakersfield-based Illume Agriculture stayed home Wednesday, and the company's expectations were that the percentage would rise to 50% Thursday as the sweep continues to spread fear among immigrant workers, Senior Vice President Kevin Andrew said."

"A representative of homebuilder K. Hovnanian showed up to Wednesday evening's meeting of Bakersfield City Council looking for information about why only eight of 30 framers scheduled to work Wednesday actually showed up to work. "A lot of people were calling me, 'Hey, is it safe to go out there?'" Hovnanian supervisor Frank Munoz said. The worker shortage threatens to double the amount of time the framing jobs take, with any delays ultimately impacting customers, he added."

"[Nisei Farmers League President Manual] Cunha said he took calls from two farmers on Wednesday saying their entire work crews did not show up for work because they were afraid of getting swept up in the Border Patrol operations."

 

I don't think all of those job no-shows were necessarily undocumented themselves. They may just have strong connections to someone who is. Maybe they have children with someone who is undocumented and stayed home so the family would not be separated. Maybe another family member is undocumented. There could be multiple reasons.

I suspect we will see people and economic ripples beyond just deporting "bad people" as we are currently being told is the plan.

Both parties have used immigration and the border as a way to score points with their bases. But they have also treated the issue as another third rail not to touch and really solve for decades.

Maybe it will be the unexpected impacts from large scale arrests to the economy and to average Americans that will pressure our politicians to finally start dealing with legal immigration, DACA, temporary work visas, the border, etc. We'll see.

 

 

My cousin got stopped coming out of a 7/11 in Bakersfield after work. A BP officer approached him and asked to see his ID and asked if he was born in the US. My cousin showed him his ID and said he was born and raised in Bakersfield and when the officer looked at it, he gave it back to him and told him to have a nice day. Meanwhile they had three other guys cuffed sitting on the sidewalk next to the building. When BP entered Delano and started picking people up there was a significant absence rate at the schools. It will be interesting to see how many of my students show up to school this week because 80% of our students are immigrants, many with family members living in the home who are undocumented.

[Chile_Ute]

On 1/20/2025 at 8:37 PM, NorCalCoug said:

Inconvenient fact for you because you’re incredibly stupid and uninformed…. Your hero Obama deported more during his 1st term than Trump did during his.  In 2012 alone Obama deported more than 400K.  Now compare that to Trump’s peak year of deportations in 2019 with around 267k.  Funny, I don’t recall the economy falling apart during either term do you?  Who worked their jobs when the Great Deporter Obama did his thing?  Why do Trump deportations bother you so much but not Obama’s?  Why is it racist when Trump does it but not Obama?  I know why - teams and shit…. You’re a hypocrite, like most in this echo chamber.

Serious question, not starting anything.  I have not seen data (not really digging either).  What is the ratio of deportations vs new blood crossing in?  
Inconvenient truth, immigrant labor offers companies better profit margins and happy shareholders allowing lower prices for consumers across the board.  Which allows even more money for said shareholders.

IF you increased the deportations AND cut the new blood coming in, my guess is, given long enough, the labor need hiring these “hard working” Americans in their zone, we’d see losses at the shareholder/business position translating to a sharp increase to the consumers.  Bottom line, really rich people don’t like getting pinched.  Realistically none of us do at any income level.

Meh, nevermind.  None of this shit really matters.  Just keep existing.

[renoskier]

On 1/20/2025 at 6:55 PM, GregoryPierreTolkien said:

Americans can and will work those jobs when employers stop relying on loopholes and illegal labor.

at what price?

[SalinasSpartan]

On 1/20/2025 at 7:40 PM, ridgeview2 said:

My cousin got stopped coming out of a 7/11 in Bakersfield after work. A BP officer approached him and asked to see his ID and asked if he was born in the US. My cousin showed him his ID and said he was born and raised in Bakersfield and when the officer looked at it, he gave it back to him and told him to have a nice day. Meanwhile they had three other guys cuffed sitting on the sidewalk next to the building. When BP entered Delano and started picking people up there was a significant absence rate at the schools. It will be interesting to see how many of my students show up to school this week because 80% of our students are immigrants, many with family members living in the home who are undocumented.

I will say locally where I am there is a LOT of unease. Ag is fuckin huge here, and there are a lot of undocumented workers in Ag and mixed status families in general. 

[ridgeview2]

On 1/20/2025 at 9:51 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

I will say locally where I am there is a LOT of unease. Ag is fuckin huge here, and there are a lot of undocumented workers in Ag and mixed status families in general. 

Yep same here. I work at a school that's in a small town just west of Lemoore Air Station, out in the middle of nowhere surrounded by Ag fields. I have kids from Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Yemen, and Syria. Most of them work in the field with their parents during the summer months when they are out of school. 

[Soupslam]

I hate seeing children caught in the middle of all of this. So, I would leave those alone that are already here and tighten the border. Perhaps a compromise agreement could be worked out with the Democrats to gain their votes in funding needs to tighten the border in exchange for leaving existing aliens alone. I’m sure there could be technology and other ways to tighten the border. If the Democrats won’t agree to some type of compromise go back to mass deportations. 

[happycamper]

On 1/20/2025 at 9:14 PM, Soupslam said:

Protecting your own again I see. Your religious bigotry shows. 

I mean. You're doing the same thing lol. Plenty of backing up your own and complaints about the other team and mentioning the existence of child rape, apparently no problem with the rape itself. 

[azgreg]

On 1/20/2025 at 6:55 PM, GregoryPierreTolkien said:

Americans can and will work those jobs

[Sactowndog]

On 1/20/2025 at 11:50 PM, Soupslam said:

I hate seeing children caught in the middle of all of this. So, I would leave those alone that are already here and tighten the border. Perhaps a compromise agreement could be worked out with the Democrats to gain their votes in funding needs to tighten the border in exchange for leaving existing aliens alone. I’m sure there could be technology and other ways to tighten the border. If the Democrats won’t agree to some type of compromise go back to mass deportations. 

Trump just moved to end birthright citizenship.  If SCOTUS upholds his executive order there will be a lot of people whose Parents or Grandparents entered illegally who are now illegal.  
 

Dems have agreed to compromises multiple times both under Trump and under Biden but Republicans have killed it each time.  

[Soupslam]

On 1/21/2025 at 7:02 AM, Sactowndog said:

Trump just moved to end birthright citizenship.  If SCOTUS upholds his executive order there will be a lot of people whose Parents or Grandparents entered illegally who are now illegal.  
 

Dems have agreed to compromises multiple times both under Trump and under Biden but Republicans have killed it each time.  

Probably because the last time there was a similar compromise under Reagan the Democrats went back on their part of the bargain. 
 

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/dont-get-fooled-again-trump-and-congress-can-learn-from-reagan-and-reform-our-immigration-system

[Soupslam]

On 1/21/2025 at 6:33 AM, azgreg said:

Oh they will. You’re just going to have to pay them a lot more. Instead why not come up with a less cumbersome work visa instead of the current bureaucratic one. 

[azgreg]

On 1/21/2025 at 8:02 AM, Soupslam said:

Oh they will. You’re just going to have to pay them a lot more. Instead why not come up with a less cumbersome work visa instead of the current bureaucratic one. 

It's already been proven they won't.

 

[Soupslam]

On 1/21/2025 at 9:12 AM, azgreg said:

It's already been proven they won't.

 

Yeah, not at the same wages and conditions. Give Americans $100 an hour and I guarantee many will work the fields. It’s a matter of money. The truth is you just don’t want to pay $20 for a head of lettuce so you’d rather use slave labor to keep the price down. 

[azgreg]

On 1/21/2025 at 8:24 AM, Soupslam said:

Yeah, not at the same wages and conditions. Give Americans $100 an hour and I guarantee many will work the fields. It’s a matter of money. The truth is you just don’t want to pay $20 for a head of lettuce so you’d rather use slave labor to keep the price down. 

You guys will be the first to complain about a $15 head of lettuce.

 

[Soupslam]

On 1/21/2025 at 9:27 AM, azgreg said:

You guys will be the first to complain about a $15 head of lettuce.

 

I think we all would. Have you ever read the government requirements for an employer and immigrant employee to get a legal work permit? If you make work permits a lot easier to get, it wouldn’t be a problem.

[azgreg]

On 1/21/2025 at 8:33 AM, Soupslam said:

I think we all would. Have you ever read the government requirements for an employer and immigrant employee to get a legal work permit? If you make work permits a lot easier to get, it wouldn’t be a problem.

Many years ago when Schwarzenegger was governor California tried a law forcing farmers to hire Americans before offering jobs to migrant workers. Reports were that Americans rarely answered the ads. The ones that called didn't show up for in person interviews, and one farmer stated that only one guy showed up to work and he quit the next day. Bush Jr was right when he wanted a guest worker program. His own party told him to fuck off.

   

[renoskier]

On 1/21/2025 at 8:24 AM, Soupslam said:

Yeah, not at the same wages and conditions. Give Americans $100 an hour and I guarantee many will work the fields. It’s a matter of money. The truth is you just don’t want to pay $20 for a head of lettuce so you’d rather use slave labor to keep the price down. 

"slave labor"? 

hyperbole is the sign of a losing argument

and isn't expensive food the reason Biden/Harris lost the election?

 

since December of 2021 we have been at virtually "full employment" with the rate hovering at or below 4%...

so is mass deportation necessary? will it be good for the economy?

 

 

[renoskier]

On 1/21/2025 at 8:54 AM, azgreg said:

 ...Bush Jr was right when he wanted a guest worker program. His own party told him to fuck off.

   

hmm...it almost makes you wonder if there's another, I don't know, hidden reason, for the opposition  

[Akkula]

On 1/21/2025 at 10:24 AM, Soupslam said:

Yeah, not at the same wages and conditions. Give Americans $100 an hour and I guarantee many will work the fields. It’s a matter of money. The truth is you just don’t want to pay $20 for a head of lettuce so you’d rather use slave labor to keep the price down. 

Oh goody.  Do we get to put "I did that" Biden stickers on the produce at the grocery store for Trump when an apple is $10?  Remember the gas station stickers you guys would put on the pumps?

You guys sold your idiot base fairies and unicorns.  You can have your cake and eat it too!  Now it is time to deliver...lower prices...and no immigrants...and $100 an hour wages for all!  

These idiot MAGAs are going to find out that these promises are as valuable as a Trump university degree.  Then they will blame the Democrats!