stanfordchef Posted January 15 Posted January 15 I thought he was cutting government with Beavis and Butt-head running DOGE lmao 1 Quote
GregoryPierreTolkien Posted January 15 Posted January 15 Finally! This is exactly the kind of bold leadership we need. Why should hardworking Americans keep getting squeezed by the IRS while foreign countries profit off us? It’s about time we hold them accountable and make them pay their fair share. The EXTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE is a genius move, putting America First where it belongs. January 20, 2025, can't come soon enough! LET'S GO! 2 1 1 Quote
azgreg Posted January 15 Posted January 15 We already have an External Revenue Service. You know them as the Commerce Department and the Customs and Border Patrol. 4 Quote
bornontheblue Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 7:05 AM, GregoryPierreTolkien said: Finally! This is exactly the kind of bold leadership we need. Why should hardworking Americans keep getting squeezed by the IRS while foreign countries profit off us? It’s about time we hold them accountable and make them pay their fair share. The EXTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE is a genius move, putting America First where it belongs. January 20, 2025, can't come soon enough! LET'S GO! Is this an Alpine sock ? 1 Quote
GregoryPierreTolkien Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 7:35 AM, bornontheblue said: Is this an Alpine sock ? No "sockpuppet" here. Just a proud American who’s tired of seeing our country get taken advantage of. 1 1 2 Quote
mugtang Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 6:05 AM, GregoryPierreTolkien said: Finally! This is exactly the kind of bold leadership we need. Why should hardworking Americans keep getting squeezed by the IRS while foreign countries profit off us? It’s about time we hold them accountable and make them pay their fair share. The EXTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE is a genius move, putting America First where it belongs. January 20, 2025, can't come soon enough! LET'S GO! Most hard working middle class Americans will never hear from the IRS. The talking point that middle class Americans are being run over by the IRS is complete bullshit and not based on any facts. The fact is, if you're claiming tax credits like the ERC you're far more likely to hear from the IRS because of the amount of fraud that goes on with those. If you're making a lot of money or have substantial wealth, you're far more likely to hear from the IRS. The only time middle class people hear from the IRS is if 1) they are engaging in tax fraud 2) they forget to include something in their return 3) they're randomly selected for an audit. The chance of an individual return being selected for an audit is less than .5% and that includes wealthy individuals and people claiming credits. There are a few things that increase the odds like claiming home office deductions. The IRS isn't boogey man the GOP likes to make them out to be. 7 Quote
mugtang Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/14/2025 at 9:23 PM, retrofade said: It seems like we already have a department that's focused on tax collections...not sure we need another one. And they aren't going to collect from foreign countries, they will collect from businesses in the United States importing foreign goods... 3 1 Quote
GregoryPierreTolkien Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 11:36 AM, mugtang said: Most hard working middle class Americans will never hear from the IRS. The talking point that middle class Americans are being run over by the IRS is complete bullshit and not based on any facts. The fact is, if you're claiming tax credits like the ERC you're far more likely to hear from the IRS because of the amount of fraud that goes on with those. If you're making a lot of money or have substantial wealth, you're far more likely to hear from the IRS. The only time middle class people hear from the IRS is if 1) they are engaging in tax fraud 2) they forget to include something in their return 3) they're randomly selected for an audit. The chance of an individual return being selected for an audit is less than .5% and that includes wealthy individuals and people claiming credits. There are a few things that increase the odds like claiming home office deductions. The IRS isn't boogey man the GOP likes to make them out to be. Come on, man. The idea that the IRS isn’t targeting middle-class Americans is just plain wrong. Sure, the ultra-wealthy have accountants and lawyers to shield them, but regular folks don’t have that luxury. The IRS knows it’s easier to squeeze the middle class with audits and penalties because they can’t fight back. And let’s not forget how the Biden administration wanted to hire 87,000 more IRS agents, who do you think they’re going after? Not billionaires, that’s for sure. Trump’s External Revenue Service idea is about shifting the burden away from hardworking Americans and making foreign nations and corporations pay up. It’s about fairness and putting America first. Liberals can keep defending the IRS all they want, but the rest of us know what’s really going on. 2 1 Quote
bornontheblue Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 8:35 AM, bornontheblue said: Is this an Alpine sock ? Hey Alpine , I thought maybe you got bored Quote
AlpineSummer Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 8:35 AM, bornontheblue said: Is this an Alpine sock ? Not me. Tolkien guy is too smart and witty. 1 Quote
mugtang Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 12:38 PM, GregoryPierreTolkien said: Come on, man. The idea that the IRS isn’t targeting middle-class Americans is just plain wrong. Sure, the ultra-wealthy have accountants and lawyers to shield them, but regular folks don’t have that luxury. The IRS knows it’s easier to squeeze the middle class with audits and penalties because they can’t fight back. And let’s not forget how the Biden administration wanted to hire 87,000 more IRS agents, who do you think they’re going after? Not billionaires, that’s for sure. Trump’s External Revenue Service idea is about shifting the burden away from hardworking Americans and making foreign nations and corporations pay up. It’s about fairness and putting America first. Liberals can keep defending the IRS all they want, but the rest of us know what’s really going on. I know for a fact the IRS isn’t squeezing middle class Americans. For tax year 2021 the IRS examined .1% of the returns for people with incomes between 50,000-500,000. Audits of people making 0-25,000 were higher because of the ERC and the amount of fraud that happens. This is the most recent information available because the statute of limitations for 2022 and beyond is still open. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p55b.pdf Those 87,000 IRS agents were primarily to replace the retiring IRS workforce. https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/605107/new-irs-agents-and-the-inflation-reduction-act “The original 87,000 IRS agents figure appears to have come from a U.S. Treasury Department estimate of the level of hiring needed to maintain IRS efficiency and keep up with retirements and other staff declines. However, the actual number of new IRS agents that will be hired remains to be seen, particularly since the IRS has struggled to attract talent in recent years.” But please, don’t let talking points get in the way. 2 Quote
GregoryPierreTolkien Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 1:42 PM, mugtang said: I know for a fact the IRS isn’t squeezing middle class Americans. For tax year 2021 the IRS examined .1% of the returns for people with incomes between 50,000-500,000. Audits of people making 0-25,000 were higher because of the ERC and the amount of fraud that happens. This is the most recent information available because the statute of limitations for 2022 and beyond is still open. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p55b.pdf Those 87,000 IRS agents were primarily to replace the retiring IRS workforce. https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/605107/new-irs-agents-and-the-inflation-reduction-act “The original 87,000 IRS agents figure appears to have come from a U.S. Treasury Department estimate of the level of hiring needed to maintain IRS efficiency and keep up with retirements and other staff declines. However, the actual number of new IRS agents that will be hired remains to be seen, particularly since the IRS has struggled to attract talent in recent years.” But please, don’t let talking points get in the way. We both know the reality on the ground feels a whole lot different for everyday Americans. The IRS might say they're targeting fraud and high earners, but regular folks still feel the pressure. You think those 87,000 new agents were just for "retirement replacements"? Come on. They weren’t gearing up to go after billionaires hiding money offshore, they were getting ready to nickel and dime small business owners, gig workers, and middle-class families trying to make ends meet. 1 1 Quote
mugtang Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 1:47 PM, GregoryPierreTolkien said: We both know the reality on the ground feels a whole lot different for everyday Americans. The IRS might say they're targeting fraud and high earners, but regular folks still feel the pressure. You think those 87,000 new agents were just for "retirement replacements"? Come on. They weren’t gearing up to go after billionaires hiding money offshore, they were getting ready to nickel and dime small business owners, gig workers, and middle-class families trying to make ends meet. The reality on the ground is being fed by incorrect information. The facts are what they are. You can choose to believe them or some random spewing talking points on the internet. Choice is yours. 1 Quote
GregoryPierreTolkien Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 1:50 PM, mugtang said: The reality on the ground is being fed by incorrect information. The facts are what they are. You can choose to believe them or some random spewing talking points on the internet. Choice is yours. The "facts" you’re pointing to are the ones spoon-fed by the same bureaucrats who have been mismanaging this country for decades. Of course, they want you to believe everything is sunshine and rainbows when it comes to the IRS. Meanwhile, regular Americans are drowning in paperwork and fear an audit over something as simple as a missed receipt. The choice is ours, and millions of us are tired of being gaslit into thinking the system is fair when we know it’s not. 1 Quote
bornontheblue Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 2:47 PM, GregoryPierreTolkien said: We both know the reality on the ground feels a whole lot different for everyday Americans. The IRS might say they're targeting fraud and high earners, but regular folks still feel the pressure. You think those 87,000 new agents were just for "retirement replacements"? Come on. They weren’t gearing up to go after billionaires hiding money offshore, they were getting ready to nickel and dime small business owners, gig workers, and middle-class families trying to make ends meet. If you have a typical tax return from the middle class and are not outright committing fraud, then your chances of being harassed by the IRS are near zero. The processing systems of the IRS are ancient and a lot of taxes that are legally owed never get collected because of it 1 1 Quote
AztecAlien Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 2:42 PM, mugtang said: I know for a fact the IRS isn’t squeezing middle class Americans. For tax year 2021 the IRS examined .1% of the returns for people with incomes between 50,000-500,000. Audits of people making 0-25,000 were higher because of the ERC and the amount of fraud that happens. This is the most recent information available because the statute of limitations for 2022 and beyond is still open. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p55b.pdf Those 87,000 IRS agents were primarily to replace the retiring IRS workforce. https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/605107/new-irs-agents-and-the-inflation-reduction-act “The original 87,000 IRS agents figure appears to have come from a U.S. Treasury Department estimate of the level of hiring needed to maintain IRS efficiency and keep up with retirements and other staff declines. However, the actual number of new IRS agents that will be hired remains to be seen, particularly since the IRS has struggled to attract talent in recent years.” But please, don’t let talking points get in the way. What talking point are you suggesting? You posted a link with 100 pages of microscopic language directly from the IRS that I'm sure you read through thoroughly along with everyone else. Your next link starts off with three paragraphs claiming Trump said 88,000 new IRS agents instead of 87,000, what a zinger, and mostly focused on tax on tips that was a discussion from both sides during the 2024 election campaigns. The second link then goes into a lot of could and should hypotheticals. "The Congressional Research Service (CRS) points out that more enforcement could include legal support and investments in technologies that aid IRS investigations." "For example, the U.S. Tax Court could receive about $150 million." "A Government Accountability Office (GAO) report found that, in the past, lower-income taxpayers have seen higher-than-average IRS audit rates. Other data show that IRS audit rates for people with less than $25,000 a year in income were five times higher than for high-income taxpayers." "But so far, the Treasury Department has indicated that low or middle-income earners, and small businesses, won't be the focus of increased IRS enforcement activity going forward." Yeah, OK, sure. "But, if you are wealthy, you could see some increased audit activity in the coming years. Although, it’s hard to know what higher audit rates will look like, partly because IRS audit rates have historically been low." This should make low income earners and the middle-class Americans feel cozy and trust the government even more. 1 Quote
bornontheblue Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 3:52 PM, AztecAlien said: What talking point are you suggesting? You posted a link with 100 pages of microscopic language directly from the IRS that I'm sure you read through thoroughly along with everyone else. Your next link starts off with three paragraphs claiming Trump said 88,000 new IRS agents instead of 87,000, what a zinger, and mostly focused on tax on tips that was a discussion from both sides during 2024 election campaigns. The second link then goes into a lot of could and should hypotheticals. "The Congressional Research Service (CRS) points out that more enforcement could include legal support and investments in technologies that aid IRS investigations. For example, the U.S. Tax Court could receive about $150 million. "A Government Accountability Office (GAO) report found that, in the past, lower-income taxpayers have seen higher-than-average IRS audit rates. Other data show that IRS audit rates for people with less than $25,000 a year in income were five times higher than for high-income taxpayers." But so far, the Treasury Department has indicated that low or middle-income earners, and small businesses, won't be the focus of increased IRS enforcement activity going forward. Yeah, OK, sure. "But, if you are wealthy, you could see some increased audit activity in the coming years. Although, it’s hard to know what higher audit rates will look like, partly because IRS audit rates have historically been low. This should make low income earners and the middle class Americans feel cozy and trust the government even more. The audit rates are at historical lows for all taxpayers across all income levels. Mugtang and I know this because of what we do for a living. There is a lot of uncollected tax revenue from the upper income levels that the IRS needs to go after but they can't because they are understaffed and have ancient resources. Gutting the IRS budget isn't the win people think it is. 2 1 Quote
AztecAlien Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 3:56 PM, bornontheblue said: The audit rates are at historical lows for all taxpayers across all income levels. Mugtang and I know this because of what we do for a living. There is a lot of uncollected tax revenue from the upper income levels that the IRS needs to go after but they can't because they are understaffed and have ancient resources. Gutting the IRS budget isn't the win people think it is. Yeah, and the upper level income earners could see some increased audits. Quote
GregoryPierreTolkien Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 2:29 PM, bornontheblue said: If you have a typical tax return from the middle class and are not outright committing fraud, then your chances of being harassed by the IRS are near zero. The processing systems of the IRS are ancient and a lot of taxes that are legally owed never get collected because of it If the IRS can’t even handle the taxes that are legally owed because their systems are ancient, why on earth should we trust them with 87,000 more agents? You really think they’re going after billionaires with that outdated tech? No way. 1 1 1 Quote
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