smltwnrckr Posted January 9 Posted January 9 no, it's the democrats' fault. don't you get it? if you build more dams and log more in the national forests, then coastal scrub lands with no crops on them will somehow be wetter in January. Dummy. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/08/trump-musk-california-democrats-wildfires-00197080 1
FresnoFacts Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/8/2025 at 7:47 PM, smltwnrckr said: no, it's the democrats' fault. don't you get it? if you build more dams and log more in the national forests, then coastal scrub lands with no crops on it will somehow be wetter in January. Dummy. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/08/trump-musk-california-democrats-wildfires-00197080 I wonder if Musk would build and donate his Hyperloop so that California could move all that water from the dams in the north over the Tehachapi Mountains to Southern California to prevent fires. 1 1
smltwnrckr Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/8/2025 at 8:03 PM, FresnoFacts said: I wonder if Musk would build and donate his Hyperloop so that California could move all that water from the dams in the north over the Tehachapi Mountains to Southern California to prevent fires. The state already moves it over the mountains. He would have to build special systems to pull the water out of the state canals and irrigate surrounding chaparral and scrub oak lands. I'm sure the farmers and developers who always bitch about Newsom would love that.
FresnoFacts Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/8/2025 at 8:05 PM, smltwnrckr said: The state already moves it over the mountains. He would have to build special systems to pull the water out of the state canals and irrigate surrounding chaparral and scrub oak lands. I'm sure the farmers and developers who always bitch about Newsom would love that. How much available unused capacity is in current Tehachapi pumping system? That's why Musk probably needs to build a tube or two for California.
smltwnrckr Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/8/2025 at 8:22 PM, FresnoFacts said: How much available unused capacity is in current Tehachapi pumping system? That's why Musk probably needs to build a tube or two for California. They don't run those pumps 24 hours, so I imagine a decent amount. But he'd still be pulling from the same supply, meaning they would be watering otherwise useless land from water supplies that would otherwise go to agriculture and domestic use. I would definitely expect that would go over well with the farmers and the water districts who would sue God for more water allotment if they could convince the courts they had standing to do so. But this conversation right here is more intellectually rigorous than any thoughts that went into any of the tweets or statements made by any of those jackoffs in that article. These people are either fucking liars or they're so goddamned stupid that they should have their first amendment rights stripped from them.
mugtang Posted January 9 Posted January 9 We’re at peak stupid. It’s Trump’s fault. It’s Newsome’s fault. This is exhausting. The last 12 years have been exhausting. The next 4 years are going to be more exhausting. 9 1
smltwnrckr Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/8/2025 at 9:42 PM, mugtang said: We’re at peak stupid. It’s Trump’s fault. It’s Newsome’s fault. This is exhausting. The last 12 years have been exhausting. The next 4 years are going to be more exhausting. Newsom is meh, but his governing as it pertains to water and forest management has nothing to do with fires in the southern California coastal mountains. Nothing at all. Trump might as well blame Jewish space lasers. 4
InnZoneU Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/8/2025 at 8:05 PM, smltwnrckr said: The state already moves it over the mountains. He would have to build special systems to pull the water out of the state canals and irrigate surrounding chaparral and scrub oak lands. I'm sure the farmers and developers who always bitch about Newsom would love that. Yeah that's what all those aqueducts are for that run up and down the state.
happycamper Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 8:04 AM, InnZoneU said: Yeah that's what all those aqueducts are for that run up and down the state. ahh the hubris of 1850-1950s era civil engineering projects.
CV147 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 I think the fires in South California have been occurring for tens of thousands of years. They weren't going to stop just because people moved into the area. That said, global warming likely has made them worse. Also making them worse is the bureaucracy and environmental regulations that make prescribed burns difficult to perform. It can take more than 7 years for a prescribed burn to be approved, which is sometimes longer than the natural fire cycle. So—politicians didn't start the fire, but they aren't helping prevent them.
smltwnrckr Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 5:04 AM, InnZoneU said: Yeah that's what all those aqueducts are for that run up and down the state. I'd love for one of those GOP congressmen to propose setting aside a drop of the water in those canals and aqueducts for fire prevention and suppression. Those Aww-shucks farmers in their hillbilly tuxedos complaining about how this is the Democrats' fault would sick their Ivy League lawyers on it faster than those flames are moving right now. 4 1
bornontheblue Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/8/2025 at 10:42 PM, mugtang said: We’re at peak stupid. It’s Trump’s fault. It’s Newsome’s fault. This is exhausting. The last 12 years have been exhausting. The next 4 years are going to be more exhausting. What really pisses me off is that our government can control the weather to take out Republican voters in North Carolina, but they can't brew up a storm to put out a fire that is destroying homes. 1
smltwnrckr Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 7:06 AM, CV147 said: Also making them worse is the bureaucracy and environmental regulations that make prescribed burns difficult to perform. It can take more than 7 years for a prescribed burn to be approved, which is sometimes longer than the natural fire cycle. So—politicians didn't start the fire, but they aren't helping prevent them. You'd have a better point if these fires were in the forests of the high country, where the fuel loads and geography make for mega fires that move up slope. But these are in the coastal mountain scrub lands, moving down slope because of the winds. They're not explosive because of the fuel load. Also, when do you think they actually do these prescribed burns you're talking about? Usually when the fire risk is low, when things aren't dry and there aren't crazy winds. But when those high-risk conditions are occurring in January, you have a problem. 1
RSF Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 10:23 AM, bornontheblue said: What really pisses me off is that our government can control the weather to take out Republican voters in North Carolina, but they can't brew up a storm to put out a fire that is destroying homes. That's what the Jewish space lasers are for. They're multi-functional.
InnZoneU Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 8:20 AM, smltwnrckr said: I'd love for one of those GOP congressmen to propose setting aside a drop of the water in those canals and aqueducts for fire prevention and suppression. Those Aww-shucks farmers in their hillbilly tuxedos complaining about how this is the Democrats' fault would sick their Ivy League lawyers on it faster than those flames are moving right now. I don't think Trump has any idea of the CA Aqueduct system judged by his comments. Literally built to funnel water from the Sierra's and other high precip regions to the arid areas. Almost like the solution he conjured up in his empty dome already exists lol. 4
mugtang Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/8/2025 at 10:29 PM, smltwnrckr said: Newsom is meh, but his governing as it pertains to water and forest management has nothing to do with fires in the southern California coastal mountains. Nothing at all. Trump might as well blame Jewish space lasers. I actually wrote out “Jewish space lasers” in my list of what’s to blame and decided to delete it lol 1
mugtang Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 8:23 AM, bornontheblue said: What really pisses me off is that our government can control the weather to take out Republican voters in North Carolina, but they can't brew up a storm to put out a fire that is destroying homes. I know you’re not being serious but it’s depressing people actually believe this. 3
Fowl Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 9:05 AM, InnZoneU said: I don't think Trump has any idea of the CA Aqueduct system judged by his comments. Literally built to funnel water from the Sierra's and other high precip regions to the arid areas. Almost like the solution he conjured up in his empty dome already exists lol. It's comical reading not only Trump's comments but all of the other loons on twitter like Musk, et al commenting about the CA water system, LAFD budget cuts, and other stupidity that they have absolutely zero knowledge of. 3
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