Malachi Nelson and Maddox Madsen - How close was the competition

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 1/10/2025 at 2:29 PM, bornontheblue said:

Compared to all of college athletics we are poor, and scrappy. We get a lot done with the resources we have.  We do pretty good for MWC standards, but we are not even the best there.  The mid and lower level P4 schools kick our ass in revenue , and athletic spending. 

Other schools have a much deeper pool of wealthy alumni than we do. SMU is an example. They pretty much bought their way into the ACC by giving up any Media rights money, and their alumni are paying the bills of the athletic department. We are a younf university. It takes time to build up a comparable donor base. 

 

https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs/aac

 

 

Yeah, we have a lower revenue estimate because we don't receive allocated funds to the extent most of the G5 does and lowest in the MWC and we don't have a P4 media deal.

But not getting state help and athletics fees on par with our peers won't hinder the money in question.  It's donar money that matters for NIL.  JD showed how much money he can pull for facilities premises.

I am positive now it's a focus, NIL will improve drastically.

[East Coast Miner Fan]

That was a dick move for sure. Koetter got blasted in EP sports radio when this came out. The local hosts didn't understand where the vitriol came from when he used to have a UTEP helmet in his coaching office while a head coach at the NFL and UTEP helped kick start his coaching career. Sounds like a bitter old man pissed off that his career is over. Good riddance prick.

[Soupslam]

On 1/10/2025 at 6:04 PM, East Coast Miner Fan said:

That was a dick move for sure. Koetter got blasted in EP sports radio when this came out. The local hosts didn't understand where the vitriol came from when he used to have a UTEP helmet in his coaching office while a head coach at the NFL and UTEP helped kick start his coaching career. Sounds like a bitter old man pissed off that his career is over. Good riddance prick.

You guys got a good one in Malachi Nelson. Get some good receivers and protect him and he’ll light up scoreboards. 

[East Coast Miner Fan]

On 1/10/2025 at 7:17 PM, Soupslam said:

You guys got a good one in Malachi Nelson. Get some good receivers and protect him and he’ll light up scoreboards. 

Yeah, Miner fans are in heaven right now and there's a lot of optimism for our program. The move to the MWC is motivating dormant donors to come back, and we've raised $5mill in the past 3 months. Not to mention the Haskins Center is sold out for tomorrow night's NMSU conference battle, 12,000 screaming Miner fans. Our basketball team is having it's best season in 10 yrs. MWC commissioner is in town too. Great timing.

[BroncoInferno]

On 1/10/2025 at 9:08 AM, bornontheblue said:

Do you kinda feel like small budget teams like Boise State are going to start moneyballing this like the A's of the early 2000's. 

Its cheaper to buy Offensive Lineman , TEs, and a stable of 4-5 decent but not elite running backs. Use a cheap game manager as a QB and bring back the Power I and the wishbone formation. 

They can invent a new metric of yards gained per dollar spent etc. 

 

 

Danielson has already said what his version of moneyball will be, praise Jesus, and it won’t be statistical analysis, it will be mental/spiritual analysis. He wants athletes with the right mindset that meshes with the locker room they’ve developed over the last 2 decades, all glory to Jesus. I don’t think it means that he will exclude non-Christians, but he has clearly stated his program will be based on love and Jesus, hallelujah. And how could you not work hard for or leave a program that loves you?

Sarcasm aside, Danielson seems genuine, but if he wasn’t this would be a masterful way to manipulate young men into buying into his program. You just need the right young men.

[death]

On 1/10/2025 at 8:50 PM, East Coast Miner Fan said:

Yeah, Miner fans are in heaven right now and there's a lot of optimism for our program. The move to the MWC is motivating dormant donors to come back, and we've raised $5mill in the past 3 months. Not to mention the Haskins Center is sold out for tomorrow night's NMSU conference battle, 12,000 screaming Miner fans. Our basketball team is having it's best season in 10 yrs. MWC commissioner is in town too. Great timing.

That's awesome. Also looking forward to this game with NMSU. 

[AlpineSummer]

On 1/10/2025 at 7:50 PM, East Coast Miner Fan said:

Yeah, Miner fans are in heaven right now and there's a lot of optimism for our program. The move to the MWC is motivating dormant donors to come back, and we've raised $5mill in the past 3 months. Not to mention the Haskins Center is sold out for tomorrow night's NMSU conference battle, 12,000 screaming Miner fans. Our basketball team is having its best season in 10 yrs. MWC commissioner is in town too. Great timing.

Koetter gave three long interviews last week.  He wished Nelson well and a little other nice stuff. Said Malachi was up front about wanting to start somewhere.  The other two interviews came off softer, but Dirk was still on point.  Danielson had nice, diplomatic comments on the subject.

Nelson is a roll of the dice.  He had his HS job set for him and hasn't done anything since.  He looks good in practice and 7v7 stuff, at least to the untrained eye, but he was more shaky than smooth in his appearances this fall.  He got a half dozen or so drives total in a few games in the earlier part. 

There is one story that might illuminate Nelson.  Reporters were watching a fall camp practice. Pocket drill (no rushers). Time limit in place.  Nelson doesn't stay in the pocket area, but slides or rolls, waits, waits more, and then makes a beautiful completed pass to the corner of the end zone. Koetter tells him, you got sacked five (5) seconds ago. If that's how it went down, the kid would have to be either pretty arrogant or oblivious.  Either ignoring the drill or not understanding. 

Everyone, especially a young guy, has a chance to grow. Hope it works out for UTEP.  If not, Nelson can hone those 7v7 skills for a spot on the Oly flag football team in LA 2028. 
 

 

[VandalPride97]

On 1/8/2025 at 8:45 PM, tailingpermit said:

It’s not a good look for Koetter, should’ve kept his mouth shut. 

Jeez, no kidding.  Comes off as bitter and petty.  Mocking a player?  Come on...

[bornontheblue]

On 1/11/2025 at 6:35 PM, VandalPride97 said:

Jeez, no kidding.  Comes off as bitter and petty.  Mocking a player?  Come on...

Hey he could have called UTEP nasty and inebriated 

[Soupslam]

On 1/11/2025 at 11:03 AM, AlpineSummer said:

Koetter gave three long interviews last week.  He wished Nelson well and a little other nice stuff. Said Malachi was up front about wanting to start somewhere.  The other two interviews came off softer, but Dirk was still on point.  Danielson had nice, diplomatic comments on the subject.

Nelson is a roll of the dice.  He had his HS job set for him and hasn't done anything since.  He looks good in practice and 7v7 stuff, at least to the untrained eye, but he was more shaky than smooth in his appearances this fall.  He got a half dozen or so drives total in a few games in the earlier part. 

There is one story that might illuminate Nelson.  Reporters were watching a fall camp practice. Pocket drill (no rushers). Time limit in place.  Nelson doesn't stay in the pocket area, but slides or rolls, waits, waits more, and then makes a beautiful completed pass to the corner of the end zone. Koetter tells him, you got sacked five (5) seconds ago. If that's how it went down, the kid would have to be either pretty arrogant or oblivious.  Either ignoring the drill or not understanding. 

Everyone, especially a young guy, has a chance to grow. Hope it works out for UTEP.  If not, Nelson can hone those 7v7 skills for a spot on the Oly flag football team in LA 2028. 
 

 

Nelson is flat more talented than Rudy. I’m going to go out on a limb and predict his QB rating and passing stats at UTEP will be better than Rudy’s at Boise State next year who won’t have Jeanty to take the heat off him. 

[Wyobraska]

On 1/12/2025 at 11:12 AM, Soupslam said:

Nelson is flat more talented than Rudy. I’m going to go out on a limb and predict his QB rating and passing stats at UTEP will be better than Rudy’s at Boise State next year who won’t have Jeanty to take the heat off him. 

It will be interesting to see.  I remember a lot of really talented kids who can't process plays or defenses fast enough to have sustained success.  Is that his issue?  

[bornontheblue]

On 1/12/2025 at 11:42 AM, Wyobraska said:

Is that his issue?  

It’s all conjecture . He hasn’t had any real meaningful playing time since high school. 
 

I hope he does well at UTEP 

[AlpineSummer]

On 1/12/2025 at 11:12 AM, Soupslam said:

Nelson is flat more talented than Rudy. I’m going to go out on a limb and predict his QB rating and passing stats at UTEP will be better than Rudy’s at Boise State next year who won’t have Jeanty to take the heat off him. 

I think Malachi has you in a full Nelson.  

[AlpineSummer]

On 1/12/2025 at 12:20 PM, bornontheblue said:

It’s all conjecture . He hasn’t had any real meaningful playing time since high school. 
 

I hope he does well at UTEP 

Can Nelson have success at UTEP?  Sure.   His HS back up, iirc, is playing somewhere so why not?

I listened to all three of Dirk's interviews last week and Nelson (and Mad Dog) were topics in each.  DK said as others have, Nelson can "spin the ball".  That's what people like Soup observed in video or the spring game.  What I saw last fall in his half dozen or so drives, under zero game pressure, was a mix of a smooth guy who can "spin the ball", but also looked shaky and had a few poor passes (out of just 17 attempts).  Sacked w/o awareness by Portland State. My God, Penn St. would have crushed his skinny ass had he been our Qb.  It would have been an '85 Bears mauling.

Like DK said, there's a lot more to being a high level Qb than height or spinning the ball.  If Nelson ever has success, he'll have to get the rest of it down.  Even if he does, he didn't have it in 2024.  

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 1/12/2025 at 1:02 PM, AlpineSummer said:

Can Nelson have success at UTEP?  Sure.   His HS back up, iirc, is playing somewhere so why not?

I listened to all three of Dirk's interviews last week and Nelson (and Mad Dog) were topics in each.  DK said as others have, Nelson can "spin the ball".  That's what people like Soup observed in video or the spring game.  What I saw last fall in his half dozen or so drives, under zero game pressure, was a mix of a smooth guy who can "spin the ball", but also looked shaky and had a few poor passes (out of just 17 attempts).  Sacked w/o awareness by Portland State. My God, Penn St. would have crushed his skinny ass had he been our Qb.  It would have been an '85 Bears mauling.

Like DK said, there's a lot more to being a high level Qb than height or spinning the ball.  If Nelson ever has success, he'll have to get the rest of it down.  Even if he does, he didn't have it in 2024.  

I'm more excited to see TG10 have two consecutive offseasons with the same OC and QB coach.  

[Soupslam]

On 1/12/2025 at 1:02 PM, AlpineSummer said:

Can Nelson have success at UTEP?  Sure.   His HS back up, iirc, is playing somewhere so why not?

I listened to all three of Dirk's interviews last week and Nelson (and Mad Dog) were topics in each.  DK said as others have, Nelson can "spin the ball".  That's what people like Soup observed in video or the spring game.  What I saw last fall in his half dozen or so drives, under zero game pressure, was a mix of a smooth guy who can "spin the ball", but also looked shaky and had a few poor passes (out of just 17 attempts).  Sacked w/o awareness by Portland State. My God, Penn St. would have crushed his skinny ass had he been our Qb.  It would have been an '85 Bears mauling.

Like DK said, there's a lot more to being a high level Qb than height or spinning the ball.  If Nelson ever has success, he'll have to get the rest of it down.  Even if he does, he didn't have it in 2024.  

What did you expect from a freshman seeing his first game action? We’ll see who shines in 2025. Green had a solid year for Arkansas last year against a lot better competition than Rudy went against. We would have been better off if he had stayed. Rudy is a very mediocre D-1 QB that hid behind Jeanty last year. We’ll see how he does without Jeanty and Koetter to lean on. 

[AlpineSummer]

On 1/12/2025 at 2:45 PM, Soupslam said:

What did you expect from a freshman seeing his first game action? We’ll see who shines in 2025. Green had a solid year for Arkansas last year against a lot better competition than Rudy went against. We would have been better off if he had stayed. Rudy is a very mediocre D-1 QB that hid behind Jeanty last year. We’ll see how he does without Jeanty and Koetter to lean on. 

If not like you've never been stupid before, but Boise State had its most successful season in a decade and you are downshifting on the starting Qb with solid stats and leadership.  Madsen had it where it really matters in the win column.  Like Boise State has never had a solid run game before, and won't have one next year? Your Madsen comments contrast ≈ 180° with Koetter's and Danielson's analysis on top of numerous independent ones.   

I hope you get out of that full Nelson.  It's cutting off circulation to your brain. 

[AlpineSummer]

On 1/12/2025 at 2:28 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

I'm more excited to see TG10 have two consecutive offseasons with the same OC and QB coach.  

I have some fondness for TG. He put in real time, real work, and went through the Andy wringer at BSU.  I do hope he continues to improve and makes it to Sundays. Nelson not so much. In fact, nothing at all. Like, does anyone care about the other guys who went in the portal?  There were guys there who put in a lot more time at BSU than Nelson, and I don't see any tears down cheeks for them. 

Edit:  It remains to be seen, but Nelson leaving is probably a big plus for Boise State.  He was never going to accept a back up role as he was direct about that to the staff.  Now, BSU has a chance to recruit someone who could be a solid option and one that might bring a skill set addition.  The Montana '26 Qb commit's timing works better coming in for Madsen's Sr. year.  

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 1/12/2025 at 3:08 PM, AlpineSummer said:

I have some fondness for TG. He put in real time, real work, and went through the Andy wringer at BSU.  I do hope he continues to improve and makes it to Sundays. Nelson not so much. In fact, nothing at all. Like, does anyone care about the other guys who went in the portal?  There were guys there who put in a lot more time at BSU than Nelson, and I don't see any tears down cheeks for them. 

Yeah, TG was a great teammate and was super active in the community.  4 OCs and QB coaches in his 4 years.

This offseason will be the most important months of his career.

[AlpineSummer]

On 1/12/2025 at 3:38 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Yeah, TG was a great teammate and was super active in the community.  4 OCs and QB coaches in his 4 years.

This offseason will be the most important months of his career.

I watched him in a number of games this year.  He looked like TG. lol.  Age, maturity, coaching stability and, who knows, all my help get him to Sundays.  He'll miss the CFPs again in '25, however.