LA in Flames

[Sactowndog]

On 1/8/2025 at 7:30 PM, GO STATE said:

My luck ran out.

The NEW Hollywood Hills “Sunset Fire” is one Cyn to our East, but Iive on one boarder of the Evac Zone.  I’m packed up & headed to Redondo Bch.

PRAY for RAIN!!!

Good luck prayers 

[AztecAlien]

On 1/8/2025 at 9:14 PM, Sactowndog said:

My Grandparents lost their house in the Laguna Fire.  It came over the hill into Emerald Bay and they were lucky to get out.  It had been my Grandmothers parents house originally.  All the old antique furniture, along with everything else, was destroyed.  My Grandfather was pretty upset but my Grandmother was adamant it was just stuff.  

My Grandfather was most worried about some DDT he had sequestered in the garage as an old valley pesticide salesman.  He had me go in and get it before they fire Marshall came lol.  He also had a begonia (a variety no longer around) that somehow made it through the fire.  Tough old plant.  All three of his daughters and many of us Grandkids have cuttings from that plant.  Kind of a symbol of resilience.  

I think you are talking about the Laguna Beach fire in the 90s. The Laguna fire TSD and I mentioned was in San Diego County in the early 70s. Mt Laguna is in Eastern San Diego County. The fire tore through the canyons and nearly made it to the ocean.

That fire burned 30 miles in 24 hours because of the Santa Ana winds. 

Add-It was also know as The Kitchen Creek Fire. 

[dogpound14228]

On 1/8/2025 at 7:38 PM, smltwnrckr said:

I'm glad this won't be politicized based on the words of dipshits and liars. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/08/trump-musk-california-democrats-wildfires-00197080

 

Not that facts matter, but reservoirs state-wide are at 122% of average for this date.  Shasta and Oroville are 129%.

 

https://cdec.water.ca.gov/resapp/RescondMain

[smltwnrckr]

On 1/8/2025 at 9:29 PM, dogpound14228 said:

Not that facts matter, but reservoirs state-wide are at 122% of average for this date.  Shasta and Oroville are 129%.

 

https://cdec.water.ca.gov/resapp/RescondMain

Even so, 100 more reservoirs overflowing in the state wouldn't do a single thing to prevent fires in the coastal mountains. The two things are unrelated. 

[Antonio Diego]

On 1/8/2025 at 7:30 PM, GO STATE said:

My luck ran out.

The NEW Hollywood Hills “Sunset Fire” is one Cyn to our East, but Iive on one boarder of the Evac Zone.  I’m packed up & headed to Redondo Bch.

PRAY for RAIN!!!

I hope you are evacuating ASAP. I sent my wife and kids to a relative's house in a neighboring city, last night. My chiquillos were scared, you could see the Eaton canyon fire from our front door.

I left my neighborhood this morning at dawn. Once my neighborhood was ordered to evacuate.

I came back. Fortunately, the destruction ended 1/2 mile up from my neighborhood.

Stay safe. Cuidate.

[The San Diegan]

On 1/8/2025 at 7:30 PM, GO STATE said:

My luck ran out.

The NEW Hollywood Hills “Sunset Fire” is one Cyn to our East, but Iive on one boarder of the Evac Zone.  I’m packed up & headed to Redondo Bch.

PRAY for RAIN!!!

Here's to the wind dying down and first responders getting ahead of it. I sincerely hope you return to your home just as you left it. 

[The San Diegan]

On 1/8/2025 at 5:45 PM, AztecAlien said:

Funny, I was typing this while you were responding. 

You probably don't remember the Laguna fire. I was very young and remember my parents talking about it. That fire burned from Mt Laguna to the ocean. If that fire happened today, it would be devastating because of urban sprawl. Santa Ana winds are nothing unusual. I've dealt with 80+ mph Santa Ana winds in the 70s, 80s, 90's and early 2000s. The wildlifes have become more devastating because more people move into areas that are prone to fires and where fuel that hasn't burned in 100+ years. 

My grandparents house I grew up in and my wifes aunts house burned to the ground during the Cedar Fire. 

Santa Ana winds are nothing unusual. But 70-100 mph Santa Ana winds were largely unheard of (read: very rare) until the last quarter century or so. As you know, there were wildfires every summer growing up in East County. And air assets were always there like clockwork dumping shit on them (I respectfully question your recollection of 80+ mph Santa Ana winds regularly occurring during the same time in the same area I grew up yet I remember no such events. My recollection is 40-50 mph gusts were the 'norm' for serious Santa Ana wind events). 

We never historically had wind events like we regularly do now, where we now routinely receive TS to Cat 2 strength winds. We live in the burn are from both Cedar Fire and Witch Creek Fire. Local sustained gusts in '03 of 70mph, which kept air assets grounded all day. And like I said, NOAA measured a 110 mph gust near us in '07. No man. That's absolutely not normal. 

Furthermore, and of equal importance, prolonged periods and increased severity of droughts - due to temperature increases - have resulted in a year-round fire season - something else that we never historically dealt with before.

 

[AztecAlien]

On 1/9/2025 at 12:07 AM, The San Diegan said:

Santa Ana winds are nothing unusual. 70-100 mph Santa Ana winds were largely unheard of until the last two decades. 

We never historically had wind events like we do now, where we now routinely receive TS to Cat 2 strength winds.  

Furthermore, prolonged periods and increased severity of droughts - due to temperature increases - have resulted in a year-round fire season - something else that we never historically dealt with before.

The Santa Ana winds during the Kitchen Creek Fire produced wind gusts, not average wind speed, of 100 mph in 1970, 55 years ago. As I stated above, that fire burned 30 miles in 24 hours. The Laguna Beach fire produced wind gusts of 90+ mph in 1993, 32 years ago.

https://wffoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Laguna-Final-v2.pdf

San Diego County's population has more than tripled since 1970. The Cedar Fire and the Witch Creek Fire were more devastating than the Kitchen Creek Fire because of population growth. 

Fire is beneficial to the environment and many ecosystems. Unfortunately, it becomes devastating because of the loss of human life and the monetary damage it causes. 

As far as drought goes, that's part of the Climate of California and it has dealt with that for thousands of years. I showed you a link to that on the other board. I'll try to dig it up. There also shouldn't be 40 million people living in California. 

 

[dogpound14228]

On 1/8/2025 at 10:27 PM, smltwnrckr said:

Even so, 100 more reservoirs overflowing in the state wouldn't do a single thing to prevent fires in the coastal mountains. The two things are unrelated. 

Fully aware.  0.1 inch of precip in the area since May is more of a culprit.  My comment was in regards to the quote in the article you posted:

“I will demand that this incompetent governor allow beautiful, clean, fresh water to FLOW INTO CALIFORNIA!,” Trump wrote on Truth Social. “He is the blame for this.”

 

 

[InnZoneU]

On 1/8/2025 at 10:39 PM, Antonio Diego said:

I hope you are evacuating ASAP. I sent my wife and kids to a relative's house in a neighboring city, last night. My chiquillos were scared, you could see the Eaton canyon fire from our front door.

I left my neighborhood this morning at dawn. Once my neighborhood was ordered to evacuate.

I came back. Fortunately, the destruction ended 1/2 mile up from my neighborhood.

Stay safe. Cuidate.

 

You live in Pasadena?

[Antonio Diego]

On 1/9/2025 at 5:32 AM, InnZoneU said:

You live in Pasadena?

Just south of Altadena.

[smltwnrckr]

On 1/9/2025 at 5:18 AM, dogpound14228 said:

Fully aware.  0.1 inch of precip in the area since May is more of a culprit.  My comment was in regards to the quote in the article you posted:

“I will demand that this incompetent governor allow beautiful, clean, fresh water to FLOW INTO CALIFORNIA!,” Trump wrote on Truth Social. “He is the blame for this.”

Just to be pedantic -- the vast majority of California's water (and virtually all of the water that goes from Nor Cal to So Cal, which is what the dipshit in chief is talking about) is already IN California. It comes from California. 

[InnZoneU]

On 1/9/2025 at 8:16 AM, Antonio Diego said:

Just south of Altadena.

Hopefully the winds stay down like they are today and stop the spread.  I really like that area.

[Old_SD_Dude]

A former colleague and good friend grew up in Altadena. He bought a house there too. His childhood home, still occupied by his parents, burned down yesterday. His detached garage was on fire as he evacuated.

[Jack]

Public water systems are not designed for events like this so the criticisms are mostly bull.   After looking at a few maps I see very long runs of waterlines inside of the grid, doubtful any meaningful volume can be moved that can handle more than one house at a time.

I hear that FDs have been defunded to help pay for deficits caused by illegal migrants...is that true?  

We haven't heard about any preventive work done anticipating these common fires.  Has there been any discussion about removing brush for a few hundred feet around habitations?...perhaps further downslope?

This shit is predictable and the severity can be  mitigated.

[azgreg]

Turns out the claims that LA cut the fire department budget were false. Go figure.

 

[InnZoneU]

On 1/9/2025 at 10:05 AM, Jack said:

Public water systems are not designed for events like this so the criticisms are mostly bull.   After looking at a few maps I see very long runs of waterlines inside of the grid, doubtful any meaningful volume can be moved that can handle more than one house at a time.

I hear that FDs have been defunded to help pay for deficits caused by illegal migrants...is that true?  

We haven't heard about any preventive work done anticipating these common fires.  Has there been any discussion about removing brush for a few hundred feet around habitations?...perhaps further downslope?

This shit is predictable and the severity can be  mitigated.

I hear that FDs have been defunded to help pay for deficits caused by illegal migrants...is that true?  

-FALSE.  Where the fck did you hear this crap?

We haven't heard about any preventive work done anticipating these common fires.  Has there been any discussion about removing brush for a few hundred feet around habitations?...perhaps further downslope?

FALSE.  CALFIRE and the various agencies do as many backfires and fire prevention services as possible.  The problem is.  The forest is a big place, even around the LA metro area.  It's impossible to fully protect on an annual basis.  And if they came up with a law where homeowners must clear out 200ft. (or whatever) outside their homes, then you would be the FIRST FUCKING ONE to cry about Democatic socialism.

 

[Billings]

On 1/9/2025 at 10:05 AM, Jack said:

Public water systems are not designed for events like this so the criticisms are mostly bull.   After looking at a few maps I see very long runs of waterlines inside of the grid, doubtful any meaningful volume can be moved that can handle more than one house at a time.

I hear that FDs have been defunded to help pay for deficits caused by illegal migrants...is that true?  

We haven't heard about any preventive work done anticipating these common fires.  Has there been any discussion about removing brush for a few hundred feet around habitations?...perhaps further downslope?

This shit is predictable and the severity can be  mitigated.

False California has spent 100's of millions of dollars in fire risk reduction in the last few years.  You are not listening

[smltwnrckr]

On 1/9/2025 at 10:38 AM, Billings said:

False California has spent 100's of millions of dollars in fire risk reduction in the last few years.  You are not listening

Also, wildfires like these are not just fought by municipal fire departments which are not equipped to fight them in the first place. 

[smltwnrckr]

On 1/9/2025 at 10:35 AM, InnZoneU said:

 

 Where the fck did you hear this crap?

 

Do you really have to ask?