LA in Flames

[GO STATE]

On 1/8/2025 at 3:24 PM, Old_SD_Dude said:

Power is out all over LA. Southern California Edison has shut off much of the grid to prevent downed power lines from starting new fires. No power = no pump stations = dry hydrants (eventually). 

 

Guess it’s all my clean cleaning living.  No interruption in my power yet.

 

[AztecAlien]

On 1/8/2025 at 6:14 PM, GO STATE said:

 

I’ve never heard the PP called “urban” before.  It was developed in the 1920s.

Good luck halting development of the coast of the nation’s most populous county.

 

FYI, I grew up in the foothills of San Diego County and I am very familiar with the devastation of wildfires and urban sprawl. I also have a degree in environmental studies. And I didn't disagree with TSD, I just added some input. 

Alpine CA was around in the 1800s

Learn something. 

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/report-finds-urban-sprawl-is-fueling-devastating-wildfires

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/californias-devastating-wildfires-reveal-how-urban-sprawl-can-endanger-communities

https://www.guycarp.com/insights/2021/11/wildfires-are-increasingly-spreading-risk-to-urban-areas.html

 

[The San Diegan]

On 1/8/2025 at 4:55 PM, AztecAlien said:

You could add urban sprawl to a portion of your argument and a good percentage of why wildfires become so destructive. JMTC. 

For property destruction, sure. But not for rapidity of growth of wildfires or the number of acres burned - the wildfire/burn maps across the sparsely developed and populated front range are testimony to this.

When wind velocities top 40mph, it grounds the air assets critical for fire suppression. As I'm sure you'll recall this never used to be an issue here.

But during the Cedar Fire in '03 not a single air asset could get aloft until the end of a long and disastrous day because of the 70 mph wind gusts. And during the Witch Cree Fire in 2007 a fire company timed the fire line moving through an avocado grove at 60mph. Urban sprawl had nothing to do with that or the 110 mph gust the NWS measured near our home during that same fire. 

And these fires were driven by Santa Ana gusts ranging from 80-100 mph.

[GO STATE]

On 1/8/2025 at 5:21 PM, AztecAlien said:

FYI, I grew up in the foothills of San Diego County and I am very familiar with the devastation of wildfires and urban sprawl. I also have a degree in environmental studies. And I didn't disagree with TSD, I just added some input. 

Learn something. 

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/report-finds-urban-sprawl-is-fueling-devastating-wildfires

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/californias-devastating-wildfires-reveal-how-urban-sprawl-can-endanger-communities

2https://www.guycarp.com/insights/2021/11/wildfires-are-increasingly-spreading-risk-to-urban-areas.html 

 

 

 

Send you links to someone who believes urban sprawl doesn’t increase wildfire danger.

 

My earlier pts.

          - The Palisades aren’t remotely urban

          - How are you going to avoid developing the coast line in LA Co?

 

 

 

 

[The San Diegan]

On 1/8/2025 at 5:21 PM, AztecAlien said:

FYI, I grew up in the foothills of San Diego County and I am very familiar with the devastation of wildfires and urban sprawl. I also have a degree in environmental studies. And I didn't disagree with TSD, I just added some input. 

Alpine CA was around in the 1800s

Learn something. 

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/report-finds-urban-sprawl-is-fueling-devastating-wildfires

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/californias-devastating-wildfires-reveal-how-urban-sprawl-can-endanger-communities

https://www.guycarp.com/insights/2021/11/wildfires-are-increasingly-spreading-risk-to-urban-areas.html

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You remember the Laguna Fire? That was before my time (I was alive, though barely 😬). My aunt had a cabin in Pine Valley (think I've mentioned that before), and my grandparents and family talked about it.

IIRC, that was the largest wildfire in CA state history until the Cedar Fire in '03.

[Old_SD_Dude]

On 1/8/2025 at 6:17 PM, GO STATE said:

 

Guess it’s all my clean cleaning living.  No interruption in my power yet.

 

My son in Los Feliz has been without power all day. 

[The San Diegan]

On 1/8/2025 at 3:24 PM, Old_SD_Dude said:

Power is out all over LA. Southern California Edison has shut off much of the grid to prevent downed power lines from starting new fires. No power = no pump stations = dry hydrants (eventually). 

We received noticed courtesy of T-Mobile that SDG&E might be cutting the powe

[AztecAlien]

On 1/8/2025 at 6:33 PM, The San Diegan said:

You remember the Laguna Fire? That was before my time (I was alive, though barely 😬). My aunt had a cabin in Pine Valley (think I've mentioned that before), and my grandparents and family talked about it.

IIRC, that was the largest wildfire in CA state history until the Cedar Fire in '03.

Funny, I was typing this while you were responding. 

You probably don't remember the Laguna fire. I was very young and remember my parents talking about it. That fire burned from Mt Laguna to the ocean. If that fire happened today, it would be devastating because of urban sprawl. Santa Ana winds are nothing unusual. I've dealt with 80+ mph Santa Ana winds in the 70s, 80s, 90's and early 2000s. The wildlifes have become more devastating because more people move into areas that are prone to fires and where fuel that hasn't burned in 100+ years. 

My grandparents house I grew up in and my wifes aunts house burned to the ground during the Cedar Fire. 

[GO STATE]

On 1/8/2025 at 5:35 PM, Old_SD_Dude said:

My son in Los Feliz has been without power all day. 

 

I must be really lucky.  I’m directly west of there.

 

[Old_SD_Dude]

On 1/8/2025 at 6:45 PM, AztecAlien said:

Funny, I was typing this while you were responding. 

You probably don't remember the Laguna fire. I was very young and remember my parents talking about it. That fire burned from Mt Laguna to the ocean. If that fire happened today, it would be devastating because of urban sprawl. Santa Ana winds are nothing unusual. I've dealt with 80+ mph Santa Ana winds in the 70s, 80s, 90's and early 2000s. The wildlifes have become more devastating because more people move into areas that are prone to fires and fuel that hasn't burned in 100+ years. 

I remember playing a Pop Warner football game during the Laguna Fire. They didn’t shut everything down back then. The field (at Patrick Henry) was white with ash and your lungs got sore while playing. 

[HR_poke]

Sounds a lot like the fire we had in Denver and couple years ago. 100 mph and it wiped out whole developments like it was a giant blowtorch.

[StealthLobo]

On 1/9/2025 at 2:56 PM, HR_poke said:

Sounds a lot like the fire we had in Denver and couple years ago. 100 mph and it wiped out whole developments like it was a giant blowtorch.

Ya, the Superior fire. That was awful. I was at work in Broomfield when it happened. They gave us warning.

[Old_SD_Dude]

On 1/8/2025 at 6:31 PM, GO STATE said:

 

Send you links to someone who believes urban sprawl doesn’t increase wildfire danger.

 

My earlier pts.

          - The Palisades aren’t remotely urban

          - How are you going to avoid developing the coast line in LA Co?

 

 

 

 

Agree with you about Pacific Palisades. And the more eastern fire is now burning on the floor of the San Gabriel Valley in Altadena. No canyons, no open space, just pure suburbia. 

[Just_Chris]

On 1/8/2025 at 5:56 PM, HR_poke said:

Sounds a lot like the fire we had in Denver and couple years ago. 100 mph and it wiped out whole developments like it was a giant blowtorch.

I had a friend who lost their home in the Black Forest fire, can't remember what year that was but that was one of the biggest ones I can remember in that area 

[GO STATE]

On 1/8/2025 at 5:50 PM, GO STATE said:

 

I must be really lucky.  I’m directly west of there.

 

My luck ran out.

The NEW Hollywood Hills “Sunset Fire” is one Cyn to our East, but Iive on one boarder of the Evac Zone.  I’m packed up & headed to Redondo Bch.

PRAY for RAIN!!!

[AztecAlien]

On 1/8/2025 at 7:54 PM, Old_SD_Dude said:

Agree with you about Pacific Palisades. And the more eastern fire is now burning on the floor of the San Gabriel Valley in Altadena. No canyons, no open space, just pure suburbia. 

Are we talking about the same Pacific Palisades? The one I know has several neighborhoods that weave through many canyons and run along the Santa Monica Mountains. Even Altadena has canyons. There are several fires burning in that area. And once the fire gets into a neighborhood with those winds, it just takes it all out. It's weird how there will be a few houses left while the rest are gone. 

Anyway, this is terrible. 

[smltwnrckr]

I'm glad this won't be politicized based on the words of dipshits and liars. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/08/trump-musk-california-democrats-wildfires-00197080

 

[Old_SD_Dude]

On 1/8/2025 at 8:30 PM, GO STATE said:

My luck ran out.

The NEW Hollywood Hills “Sunset Fire” is one Cyn to our East, but Iive on one boarder of the Evac Zone.  I’m packed up & headed to Redondo Bch.

PRAY for RAIN!!!

Take care Dude. 

[Sactowndog]

On 1/8/2025 at 5:45 PM, AztecAlien said:

Funny, I was typing this while you were responding. 

You probably don't remember the Laguna fire. I was very young and remember my parents talking about it. That fire burned from Mt Laguna to the ocean. If that fire happened today, it would be devastating because of urban sprawl. Santa Ana winds are nothing unusual. I've dealt with 80+ mph Santa Ana winds in the 70s, 80s, 90's and early 2000s. The wildlifes have become more devastating because more people move into areas that are prone to fires and where fuel that hasn't burned in 100+ years. 

My grandparents house I grew up in and my wifes aunts house burned to the ground during the Cedar Fire. 

My Grandparents lost their house in the Laguna Fire.  It came over the hill into Emerald Bay and they were lucky to get out.  It had been my Grandmothers parents house originally.  All the old antique furniture, along with everything else, was destroyed.  My Grandfather was pretty upset but my Grandmother was adamant it was just stuff.  

My Grandfather was most worried about some DDT he had sequestered in the garage as an old valley pesticide salesman.  He had me go in and get it before they fire Marshall came lol.  He also had a begonia (a variety no longer around) that somehow made it through the fire.  Tough old plant.  All three of his daughters and many of us Grandkids have cuttings from that plant.  Kind of a symbol of resilience.  

[Sactowndog]

On 1/8/2025 at 7:38 PM, smltwnrckr said:

I'm glad this won't be politicized based on the words of dipshits and liars. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/08/trump-musk-california-democrats-wildfires-00197080

 

I can’t possibly dislike that dipshit more