retrofade Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Donald Trump’s vision to reshape the world’s largest economy through protectionist policies that put “America First” will damage growth, according to Financial Times economists’ polls that contrast with investors’ bullishness over the US president-elect’s plans. Surveys of more than 220 economists in the US, UK and Eurozone on the economic impact of Trump’s return to the White House showed most respondents believed his protectionist shift would overshadow the benefits of other elements of what the president-elect has dubbed “Maganomics”. Many economists in the US, who were polled jointly by the FT and the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business, also believe a new Trump term will spur inflation and lead to more caution from the Federal Reserve on cutting interest rates. “Trump’s policies can bring some growth in the short term, but this will be at the expense of a global slowdown which then will come back and hurt the US later on,” said Şebnem Kalemli-Özcan, a professor at Brown University who also sits on the New York Fed’s economic advisory panel. “His policies are also inflationary, both in the US and the rest of the world, hence we will be moving to a stagflationary world.” However, most economists — including at the IMF, the OECD and the European Commission — forecast stronger growth in the US than in Europe in 2025. The US economy has consistently outgrown its counterparts across the Atlantic since the coronavirus pandemic, expanding at an annualised rate of 2.8 per cent in the third quarter of last year. Trump has yet to lay out a comprehensive economic policy prospectus, leaving analysts to base their outlooks on pledges and threats made on the campaign trail. Those include plans to impose blanket tariffs of up to 20 per cent on all US imports, mass deportations of undocumented workers, slashing red tape and making tax cuts introduced in 2017 permanent. Trump, a self-described “tariff man”, has a long-standing and deep-rooted belief that the US needs to close its trade deficit and boost homegrown production. “The announced policies include substantial tariffs and deportations of immigrant workers,” said Janice Eberly, a former Obama administration senior US Treasury official now at Northwestern University. “Both tend to be inflationary and likely negative for growth.” Overall, more than half of the 47 economists polled specifically on the US economy expect “some negative impact” from the Trump agenda, and another tenth forecast a “large negative impact”. On the other hand, a fifth of those surveyed expect a positive impact. The gloom among economists contrasts with investors’ optimism over Trump’s second term. The US S&P equity index surged in the weeks following Trump’s win, though it pared some of those gains in December after US rate-setters signalled they would make fewer rate cuts this year than previously anticipated. In its best two-year run this century, the benchmark index ended 2024 up 23.3 per cent, following a similar gain in 2023. Benjamin Bowler, a Bank of America strategist, said this week that Trump’s “laissez-faire economics, tax cuts and deregulation”, coupled with a potential “AI revolution”, meant the rally was likely to continue into 2025. A separate survey by the FT showed that Eurozone economists were even more pessimistic about the impact of Trump policies in their region than those in the US, with 13 per cent of analysts saying they expected a large negative effect and another 72 per cent forecasting some negative repercussions. For the Eurozone the main concern is about manufacturing production, especially in Germany, the region’s biggest economy. Martin Wolburg, senior economist at Generali Investments, highlighted the possibility of the country’s car industry being “especially targeted” by Trump. Trump’s threat of a 60 per cent levy on China “could further challenge European industries,” said Christophe Boucher, chief investment officer at ABN Amro Investment Solutions, as it would raise the prospect of Beijing flooding the region with cheap products. While the UK is seen as better insulated from tariffs, thanks to its large services sector, Alpesh Paleja, lead economist at the CBI, warned that the country would be exposed to the “second-round impact” should tariffs weigh on Eurozone growth. In the UK, more than 56 per cent of almost 100 respondents expected some negative impact, with many speaking of the drag on sentiment from the prevailing climate of uncertainty ahead of Trump’s inauguration on January 20. Just over 10 per cent forecast some positive impact. “The Trump administration will be an ‘unpredictability machine’ which will dissuade business and households from taking long-term decisions with ease,” said Barret Kupelian, chief economist at PwC UK. “This will inevitably have an economic cost.” https://www.ft.com/content/d6f58952-a0ad-4db2-ac70-2b8f075c7ada 1 1
RSF Posted January 3 Posted January 3 On 1/3/2025 at 8:55 AM, tailingpermit said: Better start hoarding your English muffins now. Since retro has ruined waffles for me, I think I'll have an English muffin for breakfast.... 1
tailingpermit Posted January 3 Posted January 3 On 1/3/2025 at 10:22 AM, RSF said: Since retro has ruined waffles for me, I think I'll have an English muffin for breakfast.... Did he get you to google “blue waffle?”
RSF Posted January 3 Posted January 3 On 1/3/2025 at 9:41 AM, AztecAlien said: Excellent self-portrait.... 1
retrofade Posted January 3 Author Posted January 3 On 1/3/2025 at 7:43 AM, RSF said: Excellent self-portrait.... I really didn't expect that type of self-awareness from him. 1 2 1
CV147 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Tariffs are taxes that the American people pay through increased prices. Protectionism will not bring back manufacturing jobs. Those two things said, I agree that there should be fair trade. It makes no sense to open our markets to goods from other countries when those same countries heavily restrict our goods going into their markets, either through subsidies or tariffs. It's also tough when you have different standards of living between two trading countries. You have slave wage workers creating a product in one country, and living wage workers creating the same product in another. The best result would be free trade without tariffs or subsidies in either market, with equivalent standards of living. But that's impossible. So, barring that, I think fair trade is best. Reciprocal tariffs. If they tariff us, we tariff them, at equal proportions. 1 1
CoachKenFTW Posted January 3 Posted January 3 When someone can accurately predict at the opening what price QQQ and SPY will close at, to the penny, then I might start to give a damn about their "forecast". 2
happycamper Posted January 3 Posted January 3 On 1/3/2025 at 1:56 PM, CoachKenFTW said: When someone can accurately predict at the opening what price QQQ and SPY will close at, to the penny, then I might start to give a damn about their "forecast". what a stupid comment 2
CoachKenFTW Posted January 3 Posted January 3 On 1/3/2025 at 11:09 AM, happycamper said: what a stupid comment
RSF Posted January 3 Posted January 3 On 1/3/2025 at 12:56 PM, CoachKenFTW said: When someone can accurately predict at the opening what price QQQ and SPY will close at, to the penny, then I might start to give a damn about their "forecast".
Spaztecs Posted January 7 Posted January 7 AA acting like this Trump Presidency will make his life better. The only thing he will give you is his shared hatred of the Libs and his orange cock down your throat. 2
Cowboy Up Posted January 7 Posted January 7 On 1/7/2025 at 1:33 PM, Spaztecs said: AA acting like this Trump Presidency will make his life better. The only thing he will give you is his shared hatred of the Libs and his orange cock down your throat. The orange tinted schong AA will enjoy though!
AztecAlien Posted January 7 Posted January 7 On 1/7/2025 at 3:40 PM, Cowboy Up said: The orange tinted schong AA will enjoy though! https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Schong
NorCalCoug Posted January 8 Posted January 8 On 1/7/2025 at 2:33 PM, Spaztecs said: AA acting like this Trump Presidency will make his life better. The only thing he will give you is his shared hatred of the Libs and his orange cock down your throat. While you predict he’s going to repeal gay marriage and enact anti-sodomy laws? You’re an idiot of epic proportions - mentally ill. 1
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