CoachKenFTW Posted January 12 Posted January 12 You liberals should be pulling for Trump's plan. AOC would be a centrist moderate in Canadian politics. Annexation of Canada would permanently deliver a liberal President, and a permanent majority in the House of Representatives. You'd most likely come out ahead in Senate seats as well. So, remind me why Democrats would be upset about annexing Canada again??? 2 Quote
FresnoFacts Posted January 12 Posted January 12 On 1/12/2025 at 10:28 AM, CoachKenFTW said: You liberals should be pulling for Trump's plan. AOC would be a centrist moderate in Canadian politics. Annexation of Canada would permanently deliver a liberal President, and a permanent majority in the House of Representatives. You'd most likely come out ahead in Senate seats as well. So, remind me why Democrats would be upset about annexing Canada again??? LOL, triggered by something that I shared because I found it humorous as an old guy myself who is non-partisan registered (former Republican registration)? I don't know who I personally find more easily triggered, conservative snowflakes or liberal snowflakes. And Canada? Here is what I posted on Monday in another thread about it joining the US: https://www.wcsboard.com/index.php?/topic/50394-justin-trudeau/#findComment-388365 On 1/6/2025 at 12:24 PM, FresnoFacts said: 51st state? Canada has about 40 million people. After congressional reapportionment it would have more Representatives in Congress and more electoral votes than California (currently the largest delegation). Might need a modern Missouri Compromise creating more states (51st, 52nd, 53rd, and 54th?) to limit Canuck power and balance political leanings. Quote
renoskier Posted January 13 Posted January 13 here's an interesting article/analysis of Trump's "madman" negotiating tactics: https://www.npr.org/2025/01/11/nx-s1-5253910/donald-trump-greenland-panama-canal-canada "A lot of this is bombast and bluster," Hamilton says. "It's also a tried and true tactic of Donald Trump — to sort of disorient your negotiating partner, put them on the back foot because you want to get a better deal for the real goals that you have." In the case of Greenland and Panama, those "real goals" include keeping China and other potential adversaries at bay — a sort of throwback to the Monroe Doctrine, a policy first espoused by President James Monroe more than two centuries ago as a warning to European powers not to interfere in the affairs of the Western Hemisphere, which the U.S. viewed as its sole purview. "Geography really matters, and Greenland's geography is extremely strategic," Sadler, a retired U.S. Navy captain, says. "We don't want a Chinese economic or military presence right there at a very critical pathway for an attack against the United States." In the case of Greenland, Trump likely wants to maintain and possibly deepen the U.S. military presence there, and ensure "better access for the United States to critical minerals and materials," Hamilton says. The Arctic territory, whose leader is pushing for independence from Denmark, was an important Cold War outpost for the U.S., which still maintains Pituffik Space Base (formerly Thule Air Base) in Greenland. Meanwhile, China has increasingly sought joint ventures to tap into Greenland's rich "rare-earth" minerals with exotic names such as neodymium, cerium and lanthanum, that are vital to the modern tech industry. Douglas Lute, who was a U.S. ambassador to NATO during the Obama administration, says that during his first term, alliance leaders viewed Trump as "unpredictable, unsettling, edging toward chaotic." But they also understand that "His style is such that he will say things publicly, especially speaking to his domestic political base, that at the end of the day don't have a major impact on serious policy," Lute says. 1 Quote
halfmanhalfbronco Posted January 13 Posted January 13 On 1/13/2025 at 2:47 PM, azgreg said: Greenland, Europe and the world would benefit from heavy US influence and even control. Denmark would be smart to get into a mutual agreement with the US for resource extraction and a very robust defense agreement allowing us to build any fucking bases we deem fit. Trump's Panama and Greenland statements sound crazy, because on the surface they are. But not REALLY. Panama has already violated the neutrality agreement with China, fuck Panama. Chinese influence at the Canal is a matter of national security, per our own Navy command claiming the agreement has been violated, not Trump. China has been trying to gain an agreement with Denmark for influence over the island and it's resources and Denmark has been willing to listen. Fuck them too. 1 Quote
InnZoneU Posted January 13 Posted January 13 On 1/13/2025 at 3:48 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said: Greenland, Europe and the world would benefit from heavy US influence and even control. Denmark would be smart to get into a mutual agreement with the US for resource extraction and a very robust defense agreement allowing us to build any fucking bases we deem fit. Trump's Panama and Greenland statements sound crazy, because on the surface they are. But not REALLY. Panama has already violated the neutrality agreement with China, fuck Panama. Chinese influence at the Canal is a matter of national security, per our own Navy command claiming the agreement has been violated, not Trump. China has been trying to gain an agreement with Denmark for influence over the island and it's resources and Denmark has been willing to listen. Fuck them too. Imperialism rocks. Why stop at Greenland and Panama? LOL. 1 1 Quote
halfmanhalfbronco Posted January 14 Posted January 14 On 1/13/2025 at 4:57 PM, InnZoneU said: Imperialism rocks. Why stop at Greenland and Panama? LOL. No man, we are not taking anything by force. But if his madman style slows CCP influence in the Americas, I am here for it. Panama and Denmark deserve to be called out and shamed. The Canal becoming neutral again would be great. It's not now. Panama violated not just the letter but the spirit of the agreement. Fuck Panama. All reports are that dialogue between Denmark and China for more CCP presence on the island had been active. Fuck Denmark. 1 1 1 Quote
halfmanhalfbronco Posted January 14 Posted January 14 Only silly heads can say with one side of their face Russia's fighting over eastern Ukraninan ghettos posses a global threat but China buying influence with the fucking Panama Canal and attempting to with Greenland is benign. JFC. One is a FAAAAAR bigger national security threat. The only posed by Russia is nuclear strikes. Which the Ukrainian war mongers want to down play while also claiming they pose an imperialist threat. Fucking idiots. 1 1 Quote
halfmanhalfbronco Posted January 14 Posted January 14 CCP goals in the Americas are soooooo much of a bigger threat to national security than anything Ukraine. Fucking cry about that reality 1 Quote
AztecAlien Posted January 14 Posted January 14 On 1/13/2025 at 7:51 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said: CCP goals in the Americas are soooooo much of a bigger threat to national security than anything Ukraine. Fucking cry about that reality I know you actually like to read. Some here have difficulties with that. Xi Jinping's aspirations are to rule the globe both economically and military wise. He is currently trying. Regarding Greenland. From 2020 https://www.clingendael.org/pub/2020/presence-before-power/4-greenland-what-is-china-doing-there-and-why/ Recently https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-china-arctic-greenland-trump/33273910.html https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/us-lobbied-greenland-rare-earths-developer-tanbreez-not-sell-china-2025-01-09/ 1 Quote
modestobulldog Posted January 14 Posted January 14 4D Chess. Trump is a smart dude, he learned he can’t get rid of the deep state or the swamp, but he can relocate it. Quote
InnZoneU Posted January 14 Posted January 14 On 1/13/2025 at 6:46 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said: Only silly heads can say with one side of their face Russia's fighting over eastern Ukraninan ghettos posses a global threat but China buying influence with the fucking Panama Canal and attempting to with Greenland is benign. JFC. One is a FAAAAAR bigger national security threat. The only posed by Russia is nuclear strikes. Which the Ukrainian war mongers want to down play while also claiming they pose an imperialist threat. Fucking idiots. LMFAO. JFC. 1 1 Quote
CoachKenFTW Posted January 14 Posted January 14 On 1/13/2025 at 6:46 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said: Only silly heads can say with one side of their face Russia's fighting over eastern Ukraninan ghettos posses a global threat but China buying influence with the fucking Panama Canal and attempting to with Greenland is benign. JFC. One is a FAAAAAR bigger national security threat. The only posed by Russia is nuclear strikes. Which the Ukrainian war mongers want to down play while also claiming they pose an imperialist threat. Fucking idiots. Good post, but you're wasting your bandwith. Russia Man Bad. 1 1 Quote
halfmanhalfbronco Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/14/2025 at 10:16 AM, CoachKenFTW said: Good post, but you're wasting your bandwith. Russia Man Bad. Russia man is bad. China man much scarier and trying to assert power and influence much closer to home. You can't have it both ways like the silly head lefties here want. You can not claim Russia fighting to take bombed out Ghettos in a corrupt shit hole of a country somehow posses a national security threat if they succed, and then say that the CCP and Panama violating the Canal neutrality agreement, is not absolutely a bigger threat. As would be CCP influence over Greenland. 1 1 Quote
SalinasSpartan Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/14/2025 at 7:08 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said: Russia man is bad. China man much scarier and trying to assert power and influence much closer to home. You can't have it both ways like the silly head lefties here want. You can not claim Russia fighting to take bombed out Ghettos in a corrupt shit hole of a country somehow posses a national security threat if they succed, and then say that the CCP and Panama violating the Canal neutrality agreement, is not absolutely a bigger threat. As would be CCP influence over Greenland. I have said multiple times that Russia is not even capable of defeating a single NATO nation in a war, so the fear mongering that they are going to conquer Europe Is pretty silly. They won’t, because they can’t. But what I find just as silly is claiming China is somehow “scarier” than Russia. Like imagine going to any number of places Russia has actively waged war (in other words, killed people) and telling a survivor, “i know your home is a pile of rubble and a few of your family members were killed, but you know what’s REALLY scary? China is violating Panama Canal neutrality!” Quote
InnZoneU Posted January 15 Posted January 15 MAGA dorks go to Greenland. It doesn't go as planned lmfao. https://x.com/FearedBuck/status/1879256344739635578https://x.com/nelkboys/status/1879240659238027563 Quote
halfmanhalfbronco Posted January 16 Posted January 16 On 1/15/2025 at 7:08 AM, SalinasSpartan said: I have said multiple times that Russia is not even capable of defeating a single NATO nation in a war, so the fear mongering that they are going to conquer Europe Is pretty silly. They won’t, because they can’t. But what I find just as silly is claiming China is somehow “scarier” than Russia. Like imagine going to any number of places Russia has actively waged war (in other words, killed people) and telling a survivor, “i know your home is a pile of rubble and a few of your family members were killed, but you know what’s REALLY scary? China is violating Panama Canal neutrality!” Well for US security it is. We are not Moldova. If in the future China makes a move on Taiwan, the havoc they could cause by disrupting the movement of goods through the Canal, or military assets, would be a huge headache. The Panama Canal remaining neutral is FAR more important to our national security than whatever ends up happening with territory negotions in Ukraine. Having the ability to project force in the North Atlantic to disrupt the CCP and Russian fuckery, is a must. Greenland seems open to making that happen. 1 1 Quote
InnZoneU Posted January 16 Posted January 16 On 1/15/2025 at 6:08 AM, SalinasSpartan said: I have said multiple times that Russia is not even capable of defeating a single NATO nation in a war, so the fear mongering that they are going to conquer Europe Is pretty silly. They won’t, because they can’t. But what I find just as silly is claiming China is somehow “scarier” than Russia. Like imagine going to any number of places Russia has actively waged war (in other words, killed people) and telling a survivor, “i know your home is a pile of rubble and a few of your family members were killed, but you know what’s REALLY scary? China is violating Panama Canal neutrality!” Russia is absolutely capable of defeating many NATO countries just by showing up, especially when they are able to conscript soldiers from North Korea to replace all their dead. Estonia, Finland, etc. are not Ukraine. Not many are as capable as Ukraine. I still haven't seen a response from mr. alpha Rogan to Klitscko for a face to face either. Imagine that. Quote
SalinasSpartan Posted January 16 Posted January 16 On 1/16/2025 at 10:06 AM, InnZoneU said: Russia is absolutely capable of defeating many NATO countries just by showing up, especially when they are able to conscript soldiers from North Korea to replace all their dead. Estonia, Finland, etc. are not Ukraine. Not many are as capable as Ukraine. I still haven't seen a response from mr. alpha Rogan to Klitscko for a face to face either. Imagine that. I just disagree. I don’t think Russia is capable of conquering a single NATO country in a war. 1 Quote
stanfordchef Posted January 16 Posted January 16 On 1/16/2025 at 10:06 AM, InnZoneU said: Russia is absolutely capable of defeating many NATO countries just by showing up, especially when they are able to conscript soldiers from North Korea to replace all their dead. Estonia, Finland, etc. are not Ukraine. Not many are as capable as Ukraine. I still haven't seen a response from mr. alpha Rogan to Klitscko for a face to face either. Imagine that. No clue about Estonia but the Finns would kick the Russkies ass in a war. They have a wildly competent and modern armed forces. Quote
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