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[UNLV2001]

On 1/12/2025 at 3:41 PM, Spaztecs said:

You're obviously down on the nPac. 

If the nPac has meh value, what does that make the MW ?  An afterthought ? 

You had better pray the nPac gets north of $10 mil. The MW will get  ~ half what the Pac gets.

I'm not down on the PAC .......just wish that WOSU would have merged with the MWC for a real nice conference rather than fuck everything up for both sides

I get that PAC fans think the new PAC is the next Power conference, but it's amazing that they can't grasp it's the MWC 2.0 with some fat trimmed off & think the PAC's value is all that much 

Reality seems to be that if the PAC was all that valuable, there would be news on the 8th to 10th (?) school addictions.........but as it stands there's absolute silence while the PAC tries to sell their who knows membership to TV all on the come

For starters, OSU & WSU aren't worth 50% of what they once were in the real PAC - Their fan bases might still be delusional but that's a reality they will have to come to grips with in the coming years 

If real there's value in the PAC it's on the basketball side  -- FB has BSU & a middling MWC group with sinking WOSU 

[Slappy]

This will all be settled with a nPac tv deal.  If the next deal is 10-15 mil per team then half of us here are right and the other half are just bitter and delusional.  If they come in at 6-9 million then switch it around.   This doesn’t include the next MW tv deal which I think will be ugly considering the nMwc adds and value teams like UC Davis, NIU, Utep, Grand Canyon state bring in real life.  Thinking there will be a winner and loser here

[SalinasSpartan]

On 1/13/2025 at 11:59 AM, Slappy said:

This will all be settled with a nPac tv deal.  If the next deal is 10-15 mil per team then half of us here are right and the other half are just bitter and delusional.  If they come in at 6-9 million then switch it around.   This doesn’t include the next MW tv deal which I think will be ugly considering the nMwc adds and value teams like UC Davis, NIU, Utep, Grand Canyon state bring in real life.  Thinking there will be a winner and loser here

The MWC schools that were left behind “lost” when we were left behind; “winning” would have been the full merge. So we have lost no matter what our TV deal ends up being. The MWC was just forced to make the best of a bad situation. 

[Slappy]

On 1/13/2025 at 1:11 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

The MWC schools that were left behind “lost” when we were left behind; “winning” would have been the full merge. So we have lost no matter what our TV deal ends up being. The MWC was just forced to make the best of a bad situation. 

I get that.  Just seen so many bitter posts that seem to think theses two conferences are even close to the same in quality.  Time will tell, but I am not delusional.  The nMW is full of teams that are new to G5 ( some Div 1 all together ) and teams that were playing here but not really funded well enough to keep up.  

[Dudleydgroot]

On 1/13/2025 at 1:04 PM, Slappy said:

I get that.  Just seen so many bitter posts that seem to think theses two conferences are even close to the same in quality.  Time will tell, but I am not delusional.  The nMW is full of teams that are new to G5 ( some Div 1 all together ) and teams that were playing here but not really funded well enough to keep up.  

"Full of teams that are new to G5......" ?

[Spaztecs]

On 1/13/2025 at 12:11 PM, UNLV2001 said:

I'm not down on the PAC .......just wish that WOSU would have merged with the MWC for a real nice conference rather than fuck everything up for both sides

I get that PAC fans think the new PAC is the next Power conference, but it's amazing that they can't grasp it's the MWC 2.0 with some fat trimmed off & think the PAC's value is all that much 

Reality seems to be that if the PAC was all that valuable, there would be news on the 8th to 10th (?) school addictions.........but as it stands there's absolute silence while the PAC tries to sell their who knows membership to TV all on the come

For starters, OSU & WSU aren't worth 50% of what they once were in the real PAC - Their fan bases might still be delusional but that's a reality they will have to come to grips with in the coming years 

If real there's value in the PAC it's on the basketball side  -- FB has BSU & a middling MWC group with sinking WOSU 

I have yet to encounter a nPac fan that believes it is P4. Most believe with Memphis and Tulane it can be the best of the G's. Hopefully, in the next round or realignment, they can get UNLV on board and get CalFord and Utah to come home.

WOSU was never coming to a renamed MW. The first clue was putting their Olys in the WCC. When the Big12 and ACC didn't work out, they moved to create the best Conference they could. Gonzaga isn't coming to the MW. They did come to the nPac. Neither are CalFord and Utah. The other five are never coming back. 

Yet, you and other PAC haters continue to wish ill will upon the Pac when long term MW health is tied to the nPAC being healthy. If the Pac TV deal is garbage so will the MW's. If the Pac can't draw quality adds, neither will the MW.

We may not be in the same League, but we need other for scheduling, Bowl games, and Western balance. 

 

As to perceived media value and expansion UNLV, Memphis, and Tulane all said, "sounds great, but we need to see hard numbers. Not speculation."  So, the Pac is working on numbers. Once that happens, we will know who wants to come and who doesn't.

The rumor mill is saying Texas State and the nPac are in back channel talks. It's also saying the SBC is planning for life without TSU. While that is not a walk-off home run in terms of wow factor or increased media value, it does get them to NCAA eligibility and keeps the Pac windfall intact. More like a game winning hit.

You are correct in the Pac being much better at basketball and for the moment marginally better in FB. The nPac needs SDSU and Fresno to get their FB back where it was.

[SalinasSpartan]

On 1/13/2025 at 1:04 PM, Slappy said:

I get that.  Just seen so many bitter posts that seem to think theses two conferences are even close to the same in quality.  Time will tell, but I am not delusional.  The nMW is full of teams that are new to G5 ( some Div 1 all together ) and teams that were playing here but not really funded well enough to keep up.  

You lost me on the new to G5 or D1 line. If you are assuming UCD will move up to FBS and are already counting them as new to G5, ok, but that’s just one school. But as far as them being new to D1 they moved up 20 years ago, I don’t see how they can be considered new to D1. 

Other than them, there is GCU who I’m guessing you are talking about. But I mean it depends how you define new, they’ve been D1 for 11 seasons now. And even if that is “new”, they’ve made the tourney 3 times in the last 4 seasons and even advanced to the second round last year. So they’ve obviously gotten over any growing pains. 
 

But again, the MWC was forced to react. What were they supposed to do, curl up and die?

[Spaztecs]

On 1/13/2025 at 2:04 PM, Slappy said:

I get that.  Just seen so many bitter posts that seem to think theses two conferences are even close to the same in quality.  Time will tell, but I am not delusional.  The nMW is full of teams that are new to G5 ( some Div 1 all together ) and teams that were playing here but not really funded well enough to keep up.  

The MW only has one new member that is non G5. UC Davis.

I agree with the bitterness here and around the intrawebs. I'm amazed at the number of people screaming,.........

"This ain't the P5 !"  No shit, Sherlock. It wants to be the best G League.

"It's the MW 2.0."  -   No. It's the Pac 5.0. The remaining MW is literally the MW 4.0.

"They should have stayed together ! " - Why should the top Schools take a haircut to sustain the bottom Schools ? Historically, the only Schools that want what's best for a Conference are those without better options. The new media values for both Conferences will be more in line with the true media value of those Schools.

[Slappy]

On 1/13/2025 at 2:48 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

You lost me on the new to G5 or D1 line. If you are assuming UCD will move up to FBS and are already counting them as new to G5, ok, but that’s just one school. But as far as them being new to D1 they moved up 20 years ago, I don’t see how they can be considered new to D1. 

Other than them, there is GCU who I’m guessing you are talking about. But I mean it depends how you define new, they’ve been D1 for 11 seasons now. And even if that is “new”, they’ve made the tourney 3 times in the last 4 seasons and even advanced to the second round last year. So they’ve obviously gotten over any growing pains. 
 

But again, the MWC was forced to react. What were they supposed to do, curl up and die?

D1 was just me aging myself.  Sorry. 
 

I’ll be a little bit clearer. New G5/6 programs

UC Davis D2 to Big sky

Grand Canyon  Wac

u of Hawaii Oly Big West

NIU Mac. ( I know technically they are G5, but really the MaC is not.  )

All of these programs are new to this level of basketball and football.  

[Slappy]

On 1/13/2025 at 2:48 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

 

But again, the MWC was forced to react. What were they supposed to do, curl up and die?

No but when I see comparisons on conference strength it is laughable.  Believe me I know it sucks, and I don’t want to see the new tv contract. 

[SalinasSpartan]

On 1/13/2025 at 3:40 PM, Slappy said:

D1 was just me aging myself.  Sorry. 
 

I’ll be a little bit clearer. New G5/6 programs

UC Davis D2 to Big sky

Grand Canyon  Wac

u of Hawaii Oly Big West

NIU Mac. ( I know technically they are G5, but really the MaC is not.  )

All of these programs are new to this level of basketball and football.  

Well I think I would disagree with your characterization of those schools, but I don’t really want to get into a back and forth of something minor. 
 

Because in general I agree with your broader point that the “proof will be in the pudding”, so to speak, when the TV deals are announced. At this point the bickering is really pointless, let’s just wait for the numbers and then judge things.
 

Personally, as a fan of a MWC school I feel we already “lost” in a sense, but I am pretty happy with how we responded to less than ideal circumstances. So long as we don’t end up with a pay cut, I’m good.

 

For the Pac, I feel like the schools that left will not come out better financially than they would have with a full merge, but they can still get a good outcome (if that makes sense). Like, if back in the day I decided to go to Fresno State instead and I was a Fresno supporter right now, I’d be ok with all this bullshit if the TV deal comes in at over $10M/school. 

[UofMemphis]

I'm surprised it's taking the Pac 12 this long to get their numbers together. One would think that could have been done in a few weeks.

[UNLV2001]

On 1/13/2025 at 6:11 PM, UofMemphis said:

I'm surprised it's taking the Pac 12 this long to get their numbers together. One would think that could have been done in a few weeks.

Entire PAC dream is counting on Memphis & maybe one other Central Time Zone school to sign on ..........but as you know, Memphis hasn't given any hint of a move & should want the PAC to pay all exit fees due the AAC -- Not sure the PAC could afford that (plus another schools fees) and possibly lose their legal battle for MWC fees 

PAC could be down $30+ Million before playing a game -- And if those TV $$ don't materialize, then it's going to be fun !! 

[UofMemphis]

On 1/13/2025 at 8:38 PM, UNLV2001 said:

Entire PAC dream is counting on Memphis & maybe one other Central Time Zone school to sign on ..........but as you know, Memphis hasn't given any hint of a move & should want the PAC to pay all exit fees due the AAC -- Not sure the PAC could afford that (plus another schools fees) and possibly lose their legal battle for MWC fees 

PAC could be down $30+ Million before playing a game -- And if those TV $$ don't materialize, then it's going to be fun !! 

and remember the AAC 'exit fee' is 10 million and it's due upfront. the rest are 'damages' and can be paid out over like 8 years.

they offered 2.5 million last time. if they tripled that offer to 7.5 million plus had some real numbers in hand...we would say yes. 

[UNLV2001]

On 1/13/2025 at 7:36 PM, UofMemphis said:

and remember the AAC 'exit fee' is 10 million and it's due upfront. the rest are 'damages' and can be paid out over like 8 years.

they offered 2.5 million last time. if they tripled that offer to 7.5 million plus had some real numbers in hand...we would say yes. 

So at those numbers, the PAC would need $15 M to buy out two AAC teams exit fees -- then add in what the PAC might owe the MWC and were up around $40-45M 

Not sure the PAC can or will be able to afford those costs 

Then facto in the PAC sits at 7 FB teams -- Need one more for NCAA regulations........schedules are being made & the PAC is sitting with a lot of open dates -- The PAc could end up playing home & home within the PAC just to get games -- Not sure how much TV will pay to see USU vs BSU twice in 2026 

PAC might just need to grab New Mexico St just to move forward 

[Wyo1]

I wish for the old MW teams to comeback and leave WOSU to figure there shit out. Fuck those guys.

[UofMemphis]

On 1/14/2025 at 12:25 PM, UNLV2001 said:

So at those numbers, the PAC would need $15 M to buy out two AAC teams exit fees -- then add in what the PAC might owe the MWC and were up around $40-45M 

Not sure the PAC can or will be able to afford those costs 

Then facto in the PAC sits at 7 FB teams -- Need one more for NCAA regulations........schedules are being made & the PAC is sitting with a lot of open dates -- The PAc could end up playing home & home within the PAC just to get games -- Not sure how much TV will pay to see USU vs BSU twice in 2026 

PAC might just need to grab New Mexico St just to move forward 

you have to imagine they knew it would run around that amount going in. I believe they are sitting on ~66 million in collected fees from departing members. (that doesn't even factor in other revenue like abandoned NCAA credits and abandoned bowl payouts)

[Spaztecs]

On 1/13/2025 at 8:36 PM, UofMemphis said:

and remember the AAC 'exit fee' is 10 million and it's due upfront. the rest are 'damages' and can be paid out over like 8 years.

they offered 2.5 million last time. if they tripled that offer to 7.5 million plus had some real numbers in hand...we would say yes. 

That's why the PAC has paused negotiations for new members.

What do you think about TSU joining the Pac ?  It's past the rumor phase and the parties are in negotiations as opposed to discussions. Does this move Memphis a step or two closer to the Pac ?

I think it's a solid move even if it stops there. It won't increase the TV money, but they won't take a hit either. Most importantly the Pac is whole.

[Spaztecs]

On 1/14/2025 at 11:25 AM, UNLV2001 said:

So at those numbers, the PAC would need $15 M to buy out two AAC teams exit fees -- then add in what the PAC might owe the MWC and were up around $40-45M 

Not sure the PAC can or will be able to afford those costs 

Then facto in the PAC sits at 7 FB teams -- Need one more for NCAA regulations........schedules are being made & the PAC is sitting with a lot of open dates -- The PAc could end up playing home & home within the PAC just to get games -- Not sure how much TV will pay to see USU vs BSU twice in 2026 

PAC might just need to grab New Mexico St just to move forward 

Hard pass on NMSU.

The Pac no longer needs them as the last chance desperation move.

[UofMemphis]

On 1/15/2025 at 1:41 PM, Spaztecs said:

That's why the PAC has paused negotiations for new members.

What do you think about TSU joining the Pac ?  It's past the rumor phase and the parties are in negotiations as opposed to discussions. Does this move Memphis a step or two closer to the Pac ?

I think it's a solid move even if it stops there. It won't increase the TV money, but they won't take a hit either. Most importantly the Pac is whole.

just guessing but they may try to save some money and that might help make up for tripling our exit fee buyout money.

The SB exit fee is only 5 million so the Pac could offer them 2.5 million...they may be thinking 10 million for Memphis + Texas State is better for them over 15 million for Memphis + Tulane and you still get 2 Central Time Zone teams.