South Korea declares Martial Law

[happycamper]

On 12/3/2024 at 10:46 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

The army could not legally back him after parliament.

Stop trying so hard.

It was a wild play that lasted 2 hours...

i get the feeling you don't understand how coups or guns work with this comment halfman

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 12/5/2024 at 8:32 AM, happycamper said:

i get the feeling you don't understand how coups or guns work with this comment halfman

The Generals followed their orders in mobilizing and then allowed parliament to walk in and vote.

You can't pull off a coup when everyone hates you including the military lol.

This looks like a win for democracy.  Unanimous vote and he will be ousted before the year turns.

[happycamper]

On 12/5/2024 at 11:06 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

The Generals followed their orders in mobilizing and then allowed parliament to walk in and vote.

You can't pull off a coup when everyone hates you including the military lol.

This looks like a win for democracy.  Unanimous vote and he will be ousted before the year turns.

yes. this was much more important than what was legal or not legal. 

definitely a win for democracy. good!

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 12/5/2024 at 9:08 AM, happycamper said:

yes. this was much more important than what was legal or not legal. 

definitely a win for democracy. good!

That's kinda the point I was making.  The panicking and and shit was was dumb.  @retrofade called it immediately.  Parliment and the MPs were going to shit stomp it.

There was never a fear of a coup.  It was a disgusting yet laughable attempt to hold onto power by a dude who has had his nuts cut off.

[halfmanhalfbronco]

@happycamper the larger point is that @Sactowndog was salivating over the idea that a first world US backed democracy could be the victim of a military coup, reinforcing his ideas about the US and his civil war fantasy.  He wanted this to actually turn into a thing.  It didn't.  

It didn't because their institutions as fledgling as they are made SHORT work of this idiot.

[happycamper]

On 12/5/2024 at 11:20 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

@happycamper the larger point is that @Sactowndog was salivating over the idea that a first world US backed democracy could be the victim of a military coup, reinforcing his ideas about the US and his civil war fantasy.  He wanted this to actually turn into a thing.  It didn't.  

It didn't because their institutions as fledgling as they are made SHORT work of this idiot.

Yeah. Well. I don't think we're vulnerable to this type of military coup right now. But we are also in a period where there is a steady concerted effort to dissolve our institutions and guardrails, something Yoon has not had the opportunity to do (and he doesn't have a massive party apparatus working with him on it either).

winner take all... not great for democracies. 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 12/5/2024 at 9:30 AM, happycamper said:

Yeah. Well. I don't think we're vulnerable to this type of military coup right now. But we are also in a period where there is a steady concerted effort to dissolve our institutions and guardrails, something Yoon has not had the opportunity to do (and he doesn't have a massive party apparatus working with him on it either).

winner take all... not great for democracies. 

The US federal system is set up in such a way it would take multiple administrations that have the support of the legislative branch to get there.  It can't be done overnight or by one president and Congress.  It would have to take a generation of work by both parties to errode the foundations of our institutions.

Scary thing is so many people rooting for it.  "Let the Tumpers get what they deserve and voted for and then we really get them next time!!!"

[FresnoFacts]

Reports that it was the Minister of Defense who pushed their President to declare martial law. He and President Yoon were high school buddies (the Interior Minister attended the same high school 4 years later). It is not always who is at the top but who is close to them that they listen to.

 

At his confirmation hearing three months ago, South Korea's defence minister Kim Yong-hyun rejected accusations from the opposition that he wanted to impose martial law. It was, the conservative hardliner said, political propaganda.

 

But when tensions between President Yoon Suk Yeol and his political opponents reached a boiling point this week, it was Kim, a longtime confidant of Yoon, who recommended imposing martial law, according to a senior military official and impeachment filings by opposition figures on Wednesday.

 

Kim proposed the idea because he believed the liberal opposition had pushed Yoon to the edge, said the military source, who denied that planning for martial law had been in the works since before the confirmation hearing.

 

More at:

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/decree-defeat-inside-south-koreas-failed-martial-law-attempt-2024-12-04/

 

 

 

And also:

Who planted the ill-advised idea of martial law in President Yoon Suk Yeol’s mind?

As of noon Wednesday, roughly 8 hours after military rule was officially dropped following a parliamentary motion to revoke it, Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun appears to have been the key figure.

The Defense Ministry confirmed Wednesday that Kim, who assumed his role in September this year, had proposed the declaration of emergency martial law to the president through the prime minister. By law, either the defense or interior minister can propose martial law to the president via the prime minister in times of national emergency.

https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20241204050066

 

 

 

[happycamper]

On 12/5/2024 at 11:58 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

The US federal system is set up in such a way it would take multiple administrations that have the support of the legislative branch to get there.  It can't be done overnight or by one president and Congress.  It would have to take a generation of work by both parties to errode the foundations of our institutions.

Scary thing is so many people rooting for it.  "Let the Tumpers get what they deserve and voted for and then we really get them next time!!!"

have you been reading the news, halfman? we have already had two administrations of eroding our electoral guardrails and norms. and it doesn't take the legislative branch. it takes the state level offices, because that's how we set up our system. 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 12/5/2024 at 10:17 AM, happycamper said:

have you been reading the news, halfman? we have already had two administrations of eroding our electoral guardrails and norms. and it doesn't take the legislative branch. it takes the state level offices, because that's how we set up our system. 

Yep and we are still standing strong. Thanks for making my point for me

[happycamper]

On 12/5/2024 at 12:20 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Yep and we are still standing strong. Thanks for making my point for me

you're blind. 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 12/5/2024 at 10:26 AM, happycamper said:

you're blind. 

Yer blind.

What electoral guardrails?  Our elections are as free and fair as they ever were.

Our press is MORE free than ever.  

A few stupid yahoo cunts haven't changed shit in any way.

Stop sounding like the MyPillow guy

 

[Sactowndog]

On 12/5/2024 at 8:20 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

@happycamper the larger point is that @Sactowndog was salivating over the idea that a first world US backed democracy could be the victim of a military coup, reinforcing his ideas about the US and his civil war fantasy.  He wanted this to actually turn into a thing.  It didn't.  

It didn't because their institutions as fledgling as they are made SHORT work of this idiot.

Posting a link about it occurring is hardly salivating nor is talking about the importance of DOD.  

[Sactowndog]

On 12/5/2024 at 8:59 AM, FresnoFacts said:

Reports that it was the Minister of Defense who pushed their President to declare martial law. He and President Yoon were high school buddies (the Interior Minister attended the same high school 4 years later). It is not always who is at the top but who is close to them that they listen to.

 

At his confirmation hearing three months ago, South Korea's defence minister Kim Yong-hyun rejected accusations from the opposition that he wanted to impose martial law. It was, the conservative hardliner said, political propaganda.

 

But when tensions between President Yoon Suk Yeol and his political opponents reached a boiling point this week, it was Kim, a longtime confidant of Yoon, who recommended imposing martial law, according to a senior military official and impeachment filings by opposition figures on Wednesday.

 

Kim proposed the idea because he believed the liberal opposition had pushed Yoon to the edge, said the military source, who denied that planning for martial law had been in the works since before the confirmation hearing.

 

More at:

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/decree-defeat-inside-south-koreas-failed-martial-law-attempt-2024-12-04/

 

 

 

And also:

Who planted the ill-advised idea of martial law in President Yoon Suk Yeol’s mind?

As of noon Wednesday, roughly 8 hours after military rule was officially dropped following a parliamentary motion to revoke it, Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun appears to have been the key figure.

The Defense Ministry confirmed Wednesday that Kim, who assumed his role in September this year, had proposed the declaration of emergency martial law to the president through the prime minister. By law, either the defense or interior minister can propose martial law to the president via the prime minister in times of national emergency.

https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20241204050066

 

 

 

Thanks.  Kind of to my point who is SecDef matters. 

[Sactowndog]

On 12/5/2024 at 9:31 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Yer blind.

What electoral guardrails?  Our elections are as free and fair as they ever were.

Our press is MORE free than ever.  

A few stupid yahoo cunts haven't changed shit in any way.

Stop sounding like the MyPillow guy

 

Tell that to the people in North Carolina living under a legislative super majority.  Some how I don’t think they would call them fair.  

[retrofade]

On 12/5/2024 at 12:35 PM, Sactowndog said:

Tell that to the people in North Carolina living under a legislative super majority.  Some how I don’t think they would call them fair.  

The legislative super majority that was created through gerrymandering and was just utilized to strip the executive branch of power now that they've lost said supermajority starting next month. 

[stanfordchef]

On 12/5/2024 at 8:06 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

The Generals followed their orders in mobilizing and then allowed parliament to walk in and vote.

You can't pull off a coup when everyone hates you including the military lol.

This looks like a win for democracy.  Unanimous vote and he will be ousted before the year turns.

Parliament members had to fight their way in to vote.

https://www.wsj.com/world/asia/the-six-hours-of-chaos-that-dragged-south-korea-into-martial-law-and-back-f09591dc?mod=mhp

Wi, who had arranged for his driver to secretly pick him up at a 7-Eleven near his home out of fear that soldiers would stop him, pushed his way past police at the gates of the National Assembly. Lee had to scale a tall fence to get in. Protesters lifted Jo Seoung-lae, another Democratic Party politician, over a fence. Democratic Party spokeswoman Ahn Gwi-ryeong grabbed the barrel of a rifle that a member of the security forces had aimed at her chest, shoving the weapon aside.

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 12/5/2024 at 4:58 PM, stanfordchef said:

Parliament members had to fight their way in to vote.

https://www.wsj.com/world/asia/the-six-hours-of-chaos-that-dragged-south-korea-into-martial-law-and-back-f09591dc?mod=mhp

Wi, who had arranged for his driver to secretly pick him up at a 7-Eleven near his home out of fear that soldiers would stop him, pushed his way past police at the gates of the National Assembly. Lee had to scale a tall fence to get in. Protesters lifted Jo Seoung-lae, another Democratic Party politician, over a fence. Democratic Party spokeswoman Ahn Gwi-ryeong grabbed the barrel of a rifle that a member of the security forces had aimed at her chest, shoving the weapon aside.

I stand  corrected 

[retrofade]

On 12/5/2024 at 3:58 PM, stanfordchef said:

Parliament members had to fight their way in to vote.

https://www.wsj.com/world/asia/the-six-hours-of-chaos-that-dragged-south-korea-into-martial-law-and-back-f09591dc?mod=mhp

Wi, who had arranged for his driver to secretly pick him up at a 7-Eleven near his home out of fear that soldiers would stop him, pushed his way past police at the gates of the National Assembly. Lee had to scale a tall fence to get in. Protesters lifted Jo Seoung-lae, another Democratic Party politician, over a fence. Democratic Party spokeswoman Ahn Gwi-ryeong grabbed the barrel of a rifle that a member of the security forces had aimed at her chest, shoving the weapon aside.

One dude livestreamed himself jumping a fence and running. 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 12/5/2024 at 6:04 PM, retrofade said:

One dude livestreamed himself jumping a fence and running. 

Still...190 members made it in with zero harm....

Let's stop the hyperbole....190 people don't just all magically evade a military presence intent on not letting them in