azgreg Posted November 26 Posted November 26 Interesting thread on Bluesky This thread: https://bsky.app/profile/scottsantens.com/post/3lbudhex36k2u Quote Because the below skeet went viral here, and people are arguing over it, I'm going to share some more info about it from a thread I did at the other place. I really need to just do an article about it but haven't done that yet. Until then, I hope readers find this thread useful. 🧵 In reply to this thread: https://bsky.app/profile/brenttoderian.bsky.social/post/3lbssspf3c22s Quote Denver gave people experiencing homelessness $1k/month. A year later, nearly half had housing. They also had fewer ER visits, nights spent in a hospital, and jail stays. The report estimates that this reduction in public service use SAVED the city $589k. https://www.businessinsider.com/denver-basic-income-reduces-homelessness-food-insecurity-housing-ubi-gbi-2024-6 Â
CPslograd Posted November 27 Posted November 27 Yah, giving homeless people cash with no obligation to enter the workforce, treatment, or counseling is a great idea. I'm sure they won't spend it on drugs and booze. 3
CPslograd Posted November 27 Posted November 27 On 11/26/2024 at 11:01 AM, azgreg said: Interesting thread on Bluesky This thread: https://bsky.app/profile/scottsantens.com/post/3lbudhex36k2u In reply to this thread: https://bsky.app/profile/brenttoderian.bsky.social/post/3lbssspf3c22s https://www.businessinsider.com/denver-basic-income-reduces-homelessness-food-insecurity-housing-ubi-gbi-2024-6  The real problem with UBI isn't the cost in dollars to the treasury. We already spend a spectacular amount of money on wasteful things. The real issue with it is the theft of sense of accomplishment, self worth, and joy it takes away from the marginal person earning a paycheck. There is no substitute for earning something. I would love to be able to bequeath confidence and happiness to my children, I can't, they have to earn it. UBI attempts to circumvent that reality, and in the process takes something away from people that the government can't give them.
Wyobraska Posted November 27 Posted November 27 On 11/27/2024 at 11:38 AM, CPslograd said: The real problem with UBI isn't the cost in dollars to the treasury. We already spend a spectacular amount of money on wasteful things. The real issue with it is the theft of sense of accomplishment, self worth, and joy it takes away from the marginal person earning a paycheck. There is no substitute for earning something. I would love to be able to bequeath confidence and happiness to my children, I can't, they have to earn it. UBI attempts to circumvent that reality, and in the process takes something away from people that the government can't give them. No one was living on $1,000 a month in Denver. It was to help them get ahead, which it did for a lot of them. So they still got your sense of accomplishment. You should read more here.  https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/denver-basic-income-project-first-year-report-significant-improvements-housing-outcomes/
CPslograd Posted November 28 Posted November 28 On 11/27/2024 at 12:35 PM, Wyobraska said: No one was living on $1,000 a month in Denver. It was to help them get ahead, which it did for a lot of them. So they still got your sense of accomplishment. You should read more here.  https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/denver-basic-income-project-first-year-report-significant-improvements-housing-outcomes/ Nah, that article and video gives me nothing. And I've been more involved with the non profit world than most, both the good and the bad. How did it "do a lot for them"? They got a since of accomplishment from what? From cashing a check? That article is like 9 sentences of wishful thinking. That article is just a puff piece. What does giving a homeless person a grand a month accomplish? Neither your link or AZgreg's have any evidence that it worked. 1000 a month is cheap btw, compared to what we spend on homeless here in CA. If a grand a month per homeless person solved the problem, I'm all for it. But of course, that's horseshit. Â
thelawlorfaithful Posted November 28 Posted November 28 The program didn’t work to reduce homelessness. There was no statistical difference between the three groups reducing homelessness. It didn’t matter much whether they received $50, $1000, or $1000 plus a lump sum of $6500 at the start. Giving them almost nothing was basically as successful as giving them 18 grand. https://static1.squarespace.com/static/64f507a995b636019ef8853a/t/6671a15eec7a812dee108e7c/1718722914185/FINAL_DBIP+Year+One+Quantitative+Research+Report.pdf
SharkTanked Posted November 28 Posted November 28 Good job all on proving how nothing works. Hopeful for the day when all of you geniuses find something that does workÂ
thelawlorfaithful Posted November 28 Posted November 28 On 11/27/2024 at 11:52 PM, SharkTanked said: Good job all on proving how nothing works. Hopeful for the day when all of you geniuses find something that does work A panacea would be nice but the experiment doesn’t show the effect one would hope to see regarding homelessness.Â
HR_poke Posted November 28 Posted November 28 On 11/28/2024 at 12:15 AM, thelawlorfaithful said: The program didn’t work to reduce homelessness. There was no statistical difference between the three groups reducing homelessness. It didn’t matter much whether they received $50, $1000, or $1000 plus a lump sum of $6500 at the start. Giving them almost nothing was basically as successful as giving them 18 grand. https://static1.squarespace.com/static/64f507a995b636019ef8853a/t/6671a15eec7a812dee108e7c/1718722914185/FINAL_DBIP+Year+One+Quantitative+Research+Report.pdf Not surprising without treatment most will remain homeless 1
thelawlorfaithful Posted November 28 Posted November 28 On 11/28/2024 at 5:36 AM, HR_poke said: Not surprising without treatment most will remain homeless I find it very surprising that there wasn’t much of a difference for groups B and A despite receiving 20 to more than 30 times more income than group C. The additional lump sum for group A seems to have been a benefit securing a place to own or rent as you’d expect. But other than that a lot of pre-conceived notions fall flat. You can tell by the way it’s written about nobody is more disappointed than the researchers.
HR_poke Posted November 28 Posted November 28 On 11/28/2024 at 2:42 PM, thelawlorfaithful said: I find it very surprising that there wasn’t much of a difference for groups B and A despite receiving 20 to more than 30 times more income than group C. The additional lump sum for group A seems to have been a benefit securing a place to own or rent as you’d expect. But other than that a lot of pre-conceived notions fall flat. You can tell by the way it’s written about nobody is more disappointed than the researchers. Piss poor science without a control group who got nothing. Typical social science... 1
halfmanhalfbronco Posted November 29 Posted November 29 On 11/28/2024 at 6:36 AM, HR_poke said: Not surprising without treatment most will remain homeless Addition and mental illness are diseases. You don't treat a disease with 1 grand a month. That said I still would favor a UBI of say 1 grand a month. I think it would encourage risk taking and innovation, as well develope community bonding.
InnZoneU Posted December 1 Posted December 1 On 11/28/2024 at 4:12 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said: Addition and mental illness are diseases. You don't treat a disease with 1 grand a month. That said I still would favor a UBI of say 1 grand a month. I think it would encourage risk taking and innovation, as well develope community bonding. Addiction. Since you are a spell checker... 1
CPslograd Posted December 3 Posted December 3 On 12/1/2024 at 7:31 AM, InnZoneU said: Addiction. Since you are a spell checker... I prefer multiplication to addiction 1 1
Slapdad Posted December 3 Posted December 3 On 12/1/2024 at 9:31 AM, InnZoneU said: Addiction. Since you are a spell checker... Post monitor! 1
InnZoneU Posted December 3 Posted December 3 On 12/3/2024 at 2:10 PM, Slapdad said: Post monitor! You don't get it. Not surprised. Back to yer GILF porn Murray.
halfmanhalfbronco Posted December 4 Posted December 4 On 12/3/2024 at 3:56 PM, InnZoneU said: You don't get it. Not surprised. Back to yer GILF porn Murray. I'm not a spell checker. You didn't misspell "Big Collosus" you just didn't know the name of the poem you were pretentiously moralizing about lol. Big difference between that and autofill text lol 1
InnZoneU Posted December 4 Posted December 4 On 12/3/2024 at 4:10 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said: I'm not a spell checker. You didn't misspell "Big Collosus" you just didn't know the name of the poem you were pretentiously moralizing about lol. Big difference between that and autofill text lol Dude just STFU and go back to being a google expert on everything from space travel to foreign policy. Maybe go and jerk it for some gay for pay.  LMFAO. Your over-inflated ego is absolutely hilarious. 1
halfmanhalfbronco Posted December 5 Posted December 5 On 12/4/2024 at 8:39 AM, InnZoneU said: Dude just STFU and go back to being a google expert on everything from space travel to foreign policy. Maybe go and jerk it for some gay for pay.  LMFAO. Your over-inflated ego is absolutely hilarious. Ohhhhh yeaaahhhhh.  Sorry that it hurts, you being an absolute idiot. And myself being a well read and informed dude. Big Collasus!!!! Lol
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