Interesting possible volleyball scenario in the brackets for the 2024 MWC tournament this week

[RSF]

On 11/26/2024 at 2:58 PM, TheTedfordTrain said:

 

Wouldn’t be allowed to play at Coastal 

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/17/1099501287/south-carolina-trans-transgender-sports-ban

 

After they left. 

[RSF]

On 11/26/2024 at 8:33 AM, Broncomare said:

You think they should have played the game instead of forfeiting?  The summer after high school, my daughter (who played club soccer since 4th grade) played on a co-ed team.  Do you know how much harder the men could kick the ball?  They had to tone it down or they would have hurt the women.  As well as go easier on shoulder tackles.  This was a co-ed league so everyone knew what they were getting into and the men knew they couldn't play like they were playing against other men.  

If the issue was rec league volleyball you would have a valid point.  Or if the evidence confirmed rather than refuted your stance.

 

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/42549609/inside-san-jose-state-university-2024-volleyball-season-gender-fairness-safety

 

Former Nebraska coach Terry Pettit, whose daughter played for Colorado State, has seen the San Jose State senior compete in person, and he believes her power has been exaggerated.

"She happens to be the kill leader on the team," Pettit said. "But to think that she's hitting any harder than people if you look at the top-10 volleyball teams in the country, that's not the case."

The player who is said to be transgender leads her team in kills (297) and is third in hitting percentage (.251). She is fourth in the Mountain West in kills per set with 3.96. She does not rank in the top 10 in the Mountain West in hitting percentage or in the top 150 in the NCAA. ESPN used camera calibration software to analyze video of five of her spikes in five different games, including the one shared by Gaines from the Iowa game (51 mph) and another that went viral against San Diego State (60 mph) to estimate their velocity. The average speed of her spikes was 50.6 mph. The fastest was estimated to travel 64 mph.

"A lot of players that I talk to have been like, 'Have you been in the Nebraska gym? Have you been in the Texas gym?'" said former Texas player and AVCA national player of the year Logan Eggleston. "These biological women are hitting the ball just as hard or maybe, probably, harder and jumping even higher and all these things. That's kind of the conversation I've been hearing, is, 'Yeah, this woman at San Jose State, yes, she might be transgender, but that doesn't make her this superhuman athlete that's crushing other people.'"

The San Jose State player is not an outlier when it comes to her size. Listed at 6-foot-1, she is one inch taller than the average height of the 120 players listed as hitters across the Mountain West Conference. The tallest player in the Mountain West is Kekua Richards at Colorado State, who is 6-7. Of the teams that played in the final four last season -- Texas, Nebraska, Wisconsin and Pittsburgh -- the average height is 6-2½. The tallest is 6-9 Anna Smrek of Wisconsin.

Multiple clips of the San Jose State player have been shared across social media, showing her striking the ball hard and sometimes hitting opposing players with the ball.

"I get hit in the face in practice every single day -- either blocking or playing back-row defense," former Pitt and Penn State star Serena Gray said. "This is normal."

"I think it was ridiculous how people kept saying, 'Oh, this is why it's dangerous,'" Michigan State outside hitter Akasha Anderson said. "At the end of the day, all these top-25, top-50 big-time programs have male practice players, male coaches constantly playing. If we're talking about danger, I feel like that's not a fair argument to make in this situation."

Anderson grew up in the same area as the San Jose State senior and has known her since Anderson was 13. Anderson said she learned the player was transgender when they were both in high school. The San Jose State senior played girls club volleyball as well as girls high school volleyball.

"It's been a weird transition to see that she's in her last year and it's now becoming a problem," Anderson said.

[4UNLV]

On 11/26/2024 at 6:33 AM, Broncomare said:

You think they should have played the game instead of forfeiting?  The summer after high school, my daughter (who played club soccer since 4th grade) played on a co-ed team.  Do you know how much harder the men could kick the ball?  They had to tone it down or they would have hurt the women.  As well as go easier on shoulder tackles.  This was a co-ed league so everyone knew what they were getting into and the men knew they couldn't play like they were playing against other men.  

As I said in the post you responded to, I don’t think men should play in women’s sports. But since the current rule says he can, and he’s been doing so for 3 years, then go play the game like the broncos did the last 2 years rather than try to make that statement now, your girls have worked hard for many years to get to the NCAA tournament, now they won’t even have a chance. Get the rules changed through other avenues, so that this doesn’t happen again.

But the broncos have the right to forfeit, and so be it.

[Sprtnfan]

On 11/26/2024 at 10:52 AM, Spaztecs said:

He must not have been much of a player. I mean, he is only good enough to play in the MW. If he were truly that dominant and over powering, wouldn't he be playing at a P4 ? Or, have turned pro by now ?

You do realize this is a shit argument, and you’ve made it several times. Let me show you how bad it is. 
 

Ashton Jeanty must not have been much of a player. I mean, he is only good enough to play in the MW. If he were truly that dominant and over powering, wouldn't he be playing at a P4 ? Or, have turned pro by now ?

[NorthWestCowboy]

On 11/26/2024 at 6:56 AM, Chalsean said:

The culture war stuff is getting so tiresome.  What we got 1 trans volleyball player in the entire country of 330 million and people just lose their shit.  I wish we had such a focus on wealth inequality or mass transit solutions.  But no, lets spend months talking about this 1 person

Sadly, this culture war stuff drives revenue by selling advertising space on 24-hour 'news' networks, AM radio indoctrination stations and clicks on social media.  The entire country of 330 million is nowhere near losing their $hit about trans athletes but just enough are to drive serious revenue at these for profit above all so called media outlets.

[Spaztecs]

On 11/29/2024 at 10:05 AM, Sprtnfan said:

You do realize this is a shit argument, and you’ve made it several times. Let me show you how bad it is. 
 

Ashton Jeanty must not have been much of a player. I mean, he is only good enough to play in the MW. If he were truly that dominant and over powering, wouldn't he be playing at a P4 ? Or, have turned pro by now ?

 

Excellent job of moving the goalposts. I highly doubt NIL is an issue in women's volleyball.

Personally, I would want to play him to see if I measured up. 

[Swoll Cracker]

On 11/26/2024 at 2:18 PM, RSF said:

If the issue was rec league volleyball you would have a valid point.  Or if the evidence confirmed rather than refuted your stance.

 

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/42549609/inside-san-jose-state-university-2024-volleyball-season-gender-fairness-safety

 

Former Nebraska coach Terry Pettit, whose daughter played for Colorado State, has seen the San Jose State senior compete in person, and he believes her power has been exaggerated.

"She happens to be the kill leader on the team," Pettit said. "But to think that she's hitting any harder than people if you look at the top-10 volleyball teams in the country, that's not the case."

The player who is said to be transgender leads her team in kills (297) and is third in hitting percentage (.251). She is fourth in the Mountain West in kills per set with 3.96. She does not rank in the top 10 in the Mountain West in hitting percentage or in the top 150 in the NCAA. ESPN used camera calibration software to analyze video of five of her spikes in five different games, including the one shared by Gaines from the Iowa game (51 mph) and another that went viral against San Diego State (60 mph) to estimate their velocity. The average speed of her spikes was 50.6 mph. The fastest was estimated to travel 64 mph.

"A lot of players that I talk to have been like, 'Have you been in the Nebraska gym? Have you been in the Texas gym?'" said former Texas player and AVCA national player of the year Logan Eggleston. "These biological women are hitting the ball just as hard or maybe, probably, harder and jumping even higher and all these things. That's kind of the conversation I've been hearing, is, 'Yeah, this woman at San Jose State, yes, she might be transgender, but that doesn't make her this superhuman athlete that's crushing other people.'"

The San Jose State player is not an outlier when it comes to her size. Listed at 6-foot-1, she is one inch taller than the average height of the 120 players listed as hitters across the Mountain West Conference. The tallest player in the Mountain West is Kekua Richards at Colorado State, who is 6-7. Of the teams that played in the final four last season -- Texas, Nebraska, Wisconsin and Pittsburgh -- the average height is 6-2½. The tallest is 6-9 Anna Smrek of Wisconsin.

Multiple clips of the San Jose State player have been shared across social media, showing her striking the ball hard and sometimes hitting opposing players with the ball.

"I get hit in the face in practice every single day -- either blocking or playing back-row defense," former Pitt and Penn State star Serena Gray said. "This is normal."

"I think it was ridiculous how people kept saying, 'Oh, this is why it's dangerous,'" Michigan State outside hitter Akasha Anderson said. "At the end of the day, all these top-25, top-50 big-time programs have male practice players, male coaches constantly playing. If we're talking about danger, I feel like that's not a fair argument to make in this situation."

Anderson grew up in the same area as the San Jose State senior and has known her since Anderson was 13. Anderson said she learned the player was transgender when they were both in high school. The San Jose State senior played girls club volleyball as well as girls high school volleyball.

"It's been a weird transition to see that she's in her last year and it's now becoming a problem," Anderson said.

Begins with a pretty insightful quote from Terry Pettit who happens to be a good friend of mine. He’s as knowledgeable about NCAA women’s volleyball as anyone, having built Nebraska into the top program in the nation during his tenure there. 

[Sprtnfan]

On 11/29/2024 at 5:53 PM, Spaztecs said:

 

Excellent job of moving the goalposts. I highly doubt NIL is an issue in women's volleyball.

Personally, I would want to play him to see if I measured up. 

Nope. I did not move anything. I used your logic and applied it to another scenario. It just bad logic and you don’t have an argument against it.