Saint Alphonsus is closing their OBGYN care.

[smltwnrckr]

On 11/23/2024 at 5:54 PM, Sactowndog said:

At what point to major companies start to care and look to leave the state.  Maybe if they had female CEO’s

You've been around the valley. People know when they're in a health care desert, especially a maternity care desert. And they pursue their job prospects accordingly. I know multiple people who live in more expensive areas because the health care -- especially OB and pediatrics -- are better than the place of their employment (or previous place of employment).

And this is California. You think brain drain was bad in some of these places before?

[The Barber]

On 11/24/2024 at 6:47 PM, Soupslam said:

It’s tough getting any kind of prompt medical care in Idaho. The latest large population influx hasn’t included a corresponding doctor influx. Talking to most of my doctors they’re all seeing a caseload increase and working longer hours. We need a medical school, but doubt the legislature wants to fund the sizable investment. 

Probably need a billionaire to step forward to fund it at Boise State.

I am not familiar who Idaho has that could fund it, but Google resulted in this guy as the richest in Idaho:

• Frank VanderSloot: The richest person in Idaho, with an estimated net worth of $3.3 billion. VanderSloot is a self-made billionaire who started out as a farmer and lived in a laundromat to pay for school. He's also a major landowner with a cattle ranch that spans three states. 

[The Barber]

Idaho doctor shortage is probably most correlated to rapid population growth and not having any State medical school to train doctors for the State.

You can't be a State as large as Idaho and not have a single medical school at any of the major universities.

Even if they liberalize their abortion law - which does not look likely given the California extremist right wingers who moved there -- that won't give them enough new doctors to keep up.

 

Need to find a source of public / private funding of a new medical school at Boise State University. 

Other Idaho billionaires -

Scott Simplot

Harry Bettis

James Kennedy

Ron Yanke

 

don't know if these guys would do the funding or if they care.

Medical school would also immensely help Boise State academic reputation.

[AztecAlien]

On 11/25/2024 at 11:01 AM, smltwnrckr said:

Right. Passing laws that prevent women from receiving life saving care is definitely not politicizing pregnant women. Pointing out the consequences of those laws is definitely politicizing pregnant women.

I have been looking into what exactly Idaho's stance and laws are on abortion. It's not totally illegal and women can still get an abortion under certain circumstances, including saving the pregnant woman's life or if the pregnancy is a result of rape or incest.

I also see plenty of OBGYN services available at least in  South Eastern Idaho. 

https://pocatellowomensclinic.com/

https://www.healthwestinc.org/ob-gyn/

https://www.healthgrades.com/find-a-doctor/idaho/best-obgyns-in-pocatello

I have stated multiple times that I don't like abortion, but it shouldn't be totally illegal because of the reasons listed. Sounds like the stance Idaho has taken as well. Maybe the Boise area is losing OBGYN's because they can't offer nearly 97% of women that want an abortion because the baby would be an inconvenience for them. It's a fact that the number one reason women choose to have an abortion is because of inconvenience. 

[The Barber]

Alaska, Delaware, and Wyoming are the only states in the US that do not have an independent medical school.

 Idaho and Montana both host independent DO-granting ...

[The Barber]

On 11/25/2024 at 10:34 AM, AztecAlien said:

I have been looking into what exactly Idaho's stance and laws are on abortion. It's not totally illegal and women can still get an abortion under certain circumstances, including saving the pregnant woman's life or if the pregnancy is a result of rape or incest.

I also see plenty of OBGYN services available at least in  South Eastern Idaho. 

https://pocatellowomensclinic.com/

https://www.healthwestinc.org/ob-gyn/

https://www.healthgrades.com/find-a-doctor/idaho/best-obgyns-in-pocatello

I have stated multiple times that I don't like abortion, but it shouldn't be totally illegal. Sounds like the stance Idaho has taken as well. Maybe in the Boise area is losing OBGYN's because they can't offer 97% of women that want an abortion because the baby would be an inconvenience for them. It's a fact that the number one reason women choose to have an abortion is because of inconvenience. 

@Soupslam lives in Idaho.  See his post above.

he said that there is a huge doctor shortage in Idaho - not just OBgyn services.

apparently, they can't find enough doctors there.   They need more OBgyn too.

[AztecAlien]

On 11/25/2024 at 11:37 AM, The Barber said:

@Soupslam lives in Idaho.  See his post above.

he said that there is a huge doctor shortage in Idaho - not just OBgyn services.

apparently, they can't find enough doctors there.   They need more OBgyn too.

And that seems completely unrelated to abortion laws that's being pushed around here. 

[The Barber]

On 11/25/2024 at 10:40 AM, AztecAlien said:

And that seems completely unrelated to abortion laws that's being pushed around here. 

 

Well, there are extreme right wingers arriving from California in Idaho, who don't want any tax dollars used to fund education.

They are anti-government, not just small government.

So, it seems like they have a real problem in Idaho with these folks not investing int he State.

 

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-donald-trump-idaho-boise-election-2020-2feab4b94e0f8ba99454fce6509079d8

And now some prominent mainstream Republicans, worried the state’s hard-right drift could scuttle their efforts to grow Idaho’s economy, are asking Democrats and Independents to register as Republicans to vote in the party’s May primary.

“Everybody and their dog ought to get out to the primary and have their say so,” said Jim Jones, a former chief justice of the Idaho Supreme Court and former Republican Idaho attorney general. “That’s where your vote counts.”

The mainstream Republicans who have controlled the state for decades worry that if far-right Republicans like McGeachin gain control it will be bad for business. Their fear is Idaho will be unable to attract high-paying tech jobs and that highly-skilled workers looking to flee pricey West Coast cities won’t move to the state if it’s run by extremists.

Bob Kustra, the former president of Boise State University who before that was the Republican lieutenant governor of Illinois, said in an opinion piece in the Idaho Statesman, the state’s largest newspaper, the “battle for the soul of Idaho will take place first in the Republican primary in May.”

“This really is about rescuing Idaho from a group of people who have given Idaho a very very bad name nationally,” he said during a phone interview. “The only way that this state is going to rid itself of these far-right radicals is to get more people into that Republican primary.”

[renoskier]

On 11/25/2024 at 10:40 AM, AztecAlien said:

And that seems completely unrelated to abortion laws that's being pushed around here. 

no...not "completely unrelated" but probably not the primary reason for the shortage

[bornontheblue]

On 11/25/2024 at 11:32 AM, The Barber said:

Idaho doctor shortage is probably most correlated to rapid population growth and not having any State medical school to train doctors for the State.

You can't be a State as large as Idaho and not have a single medical school at any of the major universities.

Even if they liberalize their abortion law - which does not look likely given the California extremist right wingers who moved there -- that won't give them enough new doctors to keep up.

 

Need to find a source of public / private funding of a new medical school at Boise State University. 

Other Idaho billionaires -

Scott Simplot

Harry Bettis

James Kennedy

Ron Yanke

 

don't know if these guys would do the funding or if they care.

Medical school would also immensely help Boise State academic reputation.

If Idaho gets a Med School it won’t be at BSU, it will be at ISU in Pocatello 

[The Barber]

On 11/25/2024 at 10:54 AM, bornontheblue said:

If Idaho gets a Med School it won’t be at BSU, it will be at ISU in Pocatello 

That seems like a terrible idea.

Boise State is in the larger area, and is the biggest school in the state now.

Plus, Boise being in the Pac12 will have higher academic prestige than Idaho State.  

 

[renoskier]

On 11/25/2024 at 10:46 AM, The Barber said:

 

Well, there are extreme right wingers arriving from California in Idaho, who don't want any tax dollars used to fund education.

They are anti-government, not just small government.

So, it seems like they have a real problem in Idaho with these folks not investing int he State.

 

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-donald-trump-idaho-boise-election-2020-2feab4b94e0f8ba99454fce6509079d8

And now some prominent mainstream Republicans, worried the state’s hard-right drift could scuttle their efforts to grow Idaho’s economy, are asking Democrats and Independents to register as Republicans to vote in the party’s May primary.

“Everybody and their dog ought to get out to the primary and have their say so,” said Jim Jones, a former chief justice of the Idaho Supreme Court and former Republican Idaho attorney general. “That’s where your vote counts.”

The mainstream Republicans who have controlled the state for decades worry that if far-right Republicans like McGeachin gain control it will be bad for business. Their fear is Idaho will be unable to attract high-paying tech jobs and that highly-skilled workers looking to flee pricey West Coast cities won’t move to the state if it’s run by extremists.

Bob Kustra, the former president of Boise State University who before that was the Republican lieutenant governor of Illinois, said in an opinion piece in the Idaho Statesman, the state’s largest newspaper, the “battle for the soul of Idaho will take place first in the Republican primary in May.”

“This really is about rescuing Idaho from a group of people who have given Idaho a very very bad name nationally,” he said during a phone interview. “The only way that this state is going to rid itself of these far-right radicals is to get more people into that Republican primary.”

@AztecAlien why do you "facepalm" direct quotes? and one that wasn't posted by your stalkers

come on man, at least try to have a rational conversation

These are long time conservative Republicans who are concerned about their state's perception. It's taken them a long time to get over the white supremacy/nazi image and now they trying to alter a new negative image.

[bornontheblue]

On 11/25/2024 at 11:56 AM, The Barber said:

That seems like a terrible idea.

Boise State is in the larger area, and is the biggest school in the state now.

Plus, Boise being in the Pac12 will have higher academic prestige than Idaho State.  

 

The state legislature set up ISU to get all  medical academic programs. Football affiliations should play no part in where they put a med school. 
 

When this state gets a med school it will be based out of the ISU campus in Pocatello with facilities in Boise probably. 

[azgreg]

On 11/25/2024 at 10:59 AM, renoskier said:

come on man, at least try to have a rational conversation

He doesn't know how.

 

[The Barber]

On 11/25/2024 at 10:59 AM, bornontheblue said:

The state legislature set up ISU to get all  medical academic programs. Football affiliations should play no part in where they put a med school. 
 

When this state gets a med school it will be based out of the ISU campus in Pocatello with facilities in Boise probably. 

Maybe the State legislature can change their original plan

Regardless - if citizens of Idaho think that investing in Idaho State is more important than investing in Boise State, that's their choice.

My impression is that Pocatello is a small town but admittedly I don't have much knowledge of it.  Maybe it could attract world class professors / investment in a new medical school.

[Billings]

SEEMS 22% of Idaho OBGYN's have left the state since the abortion ban went into effect.  Yea it is having an impact

 

Idaho lost 22% of practicing obstetricians since its abortion bans took effect, according to a report by the Idaho Physician Well-Being Action Collaborative. 

 

This was in April 2024.  Probably gotten worse since then

 

https://idahocapitalsun.com/2024/04/05/idaho-is-losing-ob-gyns-after-strict-abortion-ban-but-health-exceptions-unlikely-this-year/

[AztecAlien]

On 11/25/2024 at 11:56 AM, The Barber said:

That seems like a terrible idea.

Boise State is in the larger area, and is the biggest school in the state now.

Plus, Boise being in the Pac12 will have higher academic prestige than Idaho State.  

 

I live on the Wyoming Idaho border and occasionally will head over to Pocatello for health reasons. Portneuf Healthcare system and Hospital are Awesome. And Idaho St is already in the process of getting a medical program. You're just blowing a lot poppycock. 

[The Barber]

On 11/25/2024 at 11:06 AM, AztecAlien said:

I live on the Wyoming Idaho border and occasionally will head over to Pocatello for health reasons.  Portneuf Healthcare system and Hospital are Awesome. And Idaho St is already in the process of getting a medical program. You're just blowing a lot poppycock. 

I'll defer to you.   I admittedly don't know much about Pocatello or its services.

If folks in Idaho think that investing in Idaho State University's medical programs should be prioritized over Boise State's, that's their choice.   Idaho State University could be the stronger academically.

If folks ins Idaho think that traveling to Pocatello for certain, specialized medical care is better than having it in Boise, then, that's their choice.

[AztecAlien]

On 11/25/2024 at 11:59 AM, renoskier said:

@AztecAlien why do you "facepalm" direct quotes? and one that wasn't posted by your stalkers

come on man, at least try to have a rational conversation

These are long time conservative Republicans who are concerned about their state's perception. It's taken them a long time to get conversation the white supremacy/nazi image and now they trying to alter a new negative image.

I was having a rational conversation with another poster and he chimed in. I didn't buy what he was stating. Seems like that's a problem around here when you disagree. So, I went with the reaction and cut it short. And we already know how you are, you even have even admitted it. 

[bornontheblue]

On 11/25/2024 at 12:03 PM, The Barber said:

Maybe the State legislature can change their original plan

There would be violence in the streets from ISU, lol. 

The state legislature set up ISU as the state school to get all of the medical academic programs, and ISU has built on that. It would be unfair to pull the rug out from under them at this point.

Pocatello has about 60,000 people but medical schools in small college towns in rural states are not unusual. North Dakota's medical school is in Grand Forks with about a 60,000 population.