Trans Bans

[azgreg]

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Nancy Mace has introduced a federal bathroom ban which would ban trans people from bathrooms in DCA and Dulles airports, national park bathrooms, museum bathrooms, and all federal building bathrooms.

[mysfit]

Fine

Start designing these places to be unisex so there isn't a male/female anymore

See how that goes over

[SharkTanked]

Give the people what they want.

[CV147]

That's probably a violation of the 14th Amendment's equal protection. IMO

[SharkTanked]

On 11/20/2024 at 9:14 AM, CV147 said:

That's probably a violation of the 14th Amendment's equal protection. IMO

SCOTUS will probably rule that the "trans condition" is self inflicted so the 14th doesn't apply (they weren't "born that way"). Besides it is what the people want. 

[sjsbuff]

I see both sides of this debate (to be clear, not always comfortably either), but from a distance at least this action by Mace (and MTG) makes her look petty/angry.  One study here...

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13178-018-0335-z

"This study finds that the passage of such laws is not related to the number or frequency of criminal incidents in these spaces. Additionally, the study finds that reports of privacy and safety violations in public restrooms, locker rooms, and changing rooms are exceedingly rare. This study provides evidence that fears of increased safety and privacy violations as a result of nondiscrimination laws are not empirically grounded."

[Akkula]

On 11/20/2024 at 10:37 AM, SharkTanked said:

Give the people what they want.

Give the discretion to the states.  Trans people probably need to seek refuge in areas of the country and with organizations that do not discriminate against them.  We cannot spend the next umpteen years talking about such a small sliver of the population.  Lot of people are going to be subject to a whole bunch of shit if they live in a redneck community/state.  

Libs need to understand we cannot save everyone, everywhere.  The voters have spoken.  People need to vote with their feet at this point.

[SharkTanked]

On 11/20/2024 at 10:10 AM, Akkula said:

Give the discretion to the states.  Trans people probably need to seek refuge in areas of the country and with organizations that do not discriminate against them.  We cannot spend the next umpteen years talking about such a small sliver of the population.  Lot of people are going to be subject to a whole bunch of shit if they live in a redneck community/state.  

Libs need to understand we cannot save everyone, everywhere.  The voters have spoken.  People need to vote with their feet at this point.

It's a good thought, but I am not sure it will be enough. We already see they want a national abortion ban. They want to force their beliefs nationally. 

[Akkula]

On 11/20/2024 at 12:11 PM, SharkTanked said:

It's a good thought, but I am not sure it will be enough. We already see they want a national abortion ban. They want to force their beliefs nationally. 

Let 'em.  We are powerless to stop them until the next election.  The voters must be punished for their idiocy to see what it has wrought.  If we always protect them from themselves we will get blamed for nothing changing.  

Then we say, "see"....vote for us now.  

PS...marijuana is also technically federally illegal and plenty of states allow it.   The feds have to enforce their own stupid laws.  Same with immigration laws.

[mysfit]

Individual rights should not depend on where you are. That's the very basis and spirit of the Declaration of Independence.

At some point we must say enough! The erosion of personal rights and freedoms stops here. I believe we are at that point. No, this is not a states decision, it is a federal decision. Damnitall enough is enough.

[SharkTanked]

On 11/20/2024 at 10:16 AM, mysfit said:

Individual rights should not depend on where you are. That's the very basis and spirit of the Declaration of Independence.

At some point we must say enough! The erosion of personal rights and freedoms stops here. I believe we are at that point. No, this is not a states decision, it is a federal decision. Damnitall enough is enough.

49% of America disagrees. Good luck squaring the circle.

[mysfit]

On 11/20/2024 at 11:19 AM, SharkTanked said:

49% of America disagrees. Good luck squaring the circle.

That's not a majority and in any case I don't see it as something to be voted on. It's part of the the very fabric of the country. Only the destruction of the country would permit the change IMO.

[SharkTanked]

On 11/20/2024 at 10:22 AM, mysfit said:

That's not a majority and in any case I don't see it as something to be voted on. It's part of the the very fabric of the country. Only the destruction of the country would permit the change IMO.

I support your view. I just don't see how it gets accomplished in the reality of today.

[RSF]

On 11/20/2024 at 11:44 AM, sjsbuff said:

I see both sides of this debate (to be clear, not always comfortably either), but from a distance at least this action by Mace (and MTG) makes her look petty/angry.  One study here...

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13178-018-0335-z

"This study finds that the passage of such laws is not related to the number or frequency of criminal incidents in these spaces. Additionally, the study finds that reports of privacy and safety violations in public restrooms, locker rooms, and changing rooms are exceedingly rare. This study provides evidence that fears of increased safety and privacy violations as a result of nondiscrimination laws are not empirically grounded."

Mace is pushing this just as Delaware has elected the 1st trans member of Congress.

 

Republican Rep. Nancy Mace said Tuesday that the bill she introduced to ban transgender women from using women's restrooms at the U.S. Capitol was "absolutely" in response to Rep.-elect Sarah McBride's entering Congress.

"Yes, and absolutely. And then some," Mace, from South Carolina, told reporters at the Capitol.

 

https://6abc.com/post/rep-nancy-mace-says-capitol-restroom-bill-targeted-1st-transgender-member-congress-sarah-mcbride/15560824/

[Spaztecs]

Most small businesses have handled it by no longer having men's and women's rooms. Just one person unisex shitters. I know this doesn't apply to large public restrooms, but, I'm certain there is a way forward without having to turn trans folk into second class citizens.

[renoskier]

On 11/20/2024 at 10:22 AM, mysfit said:

That's not a majority and in any case I don't see it as something to be voted on. It's part of the the very fabric of the country. Only the destruction of the country would permit the change IMO.

unfortunately, it was voted on...

by the Supreme Court

[Soupslam]

The disability act made all restrooms accommodate the disabled. The same thing could be done to make all bathrooms individual unisex bathrooms, or add unisex bathrooms.  There are currently many that way now. Problem solved

[Soupslam]

On 11/20/2024 at 11:16 AM, mysfit said:

Individual rights should not depend on where you are. That's the very basis and spirit of the Declaration of Independence.

At some point we must say enough! The erosion of personal rights and freedoms stops here. I believe we are at that point. No, this is not a states decision, it is a federal decision. Damnitall enough is enough.

What about the women that are uncomfortable with a guy using the bathroom with them and their toddler daughters. What about their individual rights? 

[renoskier]

On 11/20/2024 at 11:01 AM, Soupslam said:

What about the women that are uncomfortable with a guy using the bathroom with them and their tottler daughters. What about their rights? 

how old are their "tottlers" if they're under 21 they shouldn't be drinking anyway!

now, I know you meant "toddlers" and men were always using the bathroom when my daughter was a toddler because I was taking her into the men's room, not the women's

[Soupslam]

On 11/20/2024 at 12:05 PM, renoskier said:

how old are their "tottlers" if they're under 21 they shouldn't be drinking anyway!

now, I know you meant "toddlers" and men were always using the bathroom when my daughter was a toddler because I was taking her into the men's room, not the women's

My wife took our daughter into the women’s rest room and I took our son into the men’s rest room. Regardless what we are comfortable doing there are some people that aren’t comfortable sharing a bathroom with the opposite sex. Don’t they also have rights?