Biden's Gives Ukraine Green Light

[renoskier]

It's NATO's fault!!!!!!!!

 

umm...when was the last time a NATO country invaded their neighbor?

[AztecAlien]

Here they come. The defenders. Lol. 

[stanfordchef]

On 11/27/2024 at 1:37 PM, AztecAlien said:

Lol. You keep trying, Samo.

I agree dealing with you is the same old shit. 
 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuk_Jeremić

Yeah clearly I’m full of it. You sit down when you piss

[stanfordchef]

On 11/27/2024 at 1:37 PM, renoskier said:

It's NATO's fault!!!!!!!!

 

umm...when was the last time a NATO country invaded their neighbor?

Turkey invaded bits of northern Syria within the last decade. But to your point it’s def rare  

 

[AztecAlien]

On 11/27/2024 at 2:39 PM, stanfordchef said:

I agree dealing with you is the same old shit. 
 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuk_Jeremić

Yeah clearly I’m full of it. You sit down when you piss

Too bad that's not the professor that I linked, liar. 

[UtGrizfan]

On 11/27/2024 at 2:37 PM, renoskier said:

It's NATO's fault!!!!!!!!

 

umm...when was the last time a NATO country invaded their neighbor?

Continually expanding Eastward and openly inviting Ukraine provoked Russia. That would be like Iran and an Anti-US Coalition to invite Mexico to join and install military bases, train local militias and soldiers, send equipment etc. No way in hell would we be cool with it from a security standpoint.

[stanfordchef]

On 11/27/2024 at 1:42 PM, AztecAlien said:

Too bad that's not the professor that I linked, liar. 

that’s who founded the think tank whose publication you prominently promoted. A right wing pro Russian Serbian politician 

 

[AztecAlien]

On 11/27/2024 at 2:44 PM, stanfordchef said:

that’s who founded the think tank whose publication you prominently promoted. A right wing pro Russian Serbian politician 

 

Keep trying, Samo. 

[stanfordchef]

On 11/27/2024 at 1:45 PM, AztecAlien said:

Keep trying, Samo. 

He’s dead

[HR_poke]

On 11/27/2024 at 4:41 PM, stanfordchef said:

Turkey invaded bits of northern Syria within the last decade. But to your point it’s def rare  

 

And cypress! And constantly threatens to invade Greece.

[stanfordchef]

On 11/27/2024 at 1:48 PM, HR_poke said:

And cypress! And constantly threatens to invade Greece.

Yeah absolutely. The Cyprus thing happened decades ago though which is why I didn’t bring it up. But you’re right. 

[HR_poke]

On 11/27/2024 at 4:50 PM, stanfordchef said:

Yeah absolutely. The Cyprus thing happened decades ago though which is why I didn’t bring it up. But you’re right. 

True, but shockingly similar situation. Must protect the ethnic minority turks just like the Russians...

[stanfordchef]

On 11/27/2024 at 1:51 PM, HR_poke said:

True, but shockingly similar situation. Must protect the ethnic minority turks just like the Russians...

Their Syria reasoning was similar too. To stop “Kurdish terror” along the borderlands among other things 

[HR_poke]

On 11/27/2024 at 4:53 PM, stanfordchef said:

Their Syria reasoning was similar too. To stop “Kurdish terror” along the borderlands among other things 

That's what happens when you allow a dictator like erdogan to masquerade around like a democratically elected leader.

[HR_poke]

On 11/27/2024 at 4:42 PM, UtGrizfan said:

Continually expanding Eastward and openly inviting Ukraine provoked Russia. That would be like Iran and an Anti-US Coalition to invite Mexico to join and install military bases, train local militias and soldiers, send equipment etc. No way in hell would we be cool with it from a security standpoint.

Nato didn't invite ukraine. If they had they would be in nature. Nato refused to even consider them due to corruption and their lack of democracy under the Russian puppet president.

[AztecAlien]

On 11/27/2024 at 3:00 PM, HR_poke said:

Nato didn't invite ukraine. If they had they would be in nature. Nato refused to even consider them due to corruption and their lack of democracy under the Russian puppet president.

No, but the U.S. was pushing for Ukraine joining NATO. 

"Specifically, I am talking about America’s obsession with bringing Ukraine into NATO and making it a Western bulwark on Russia’s border. The Biden administration was unwilling to eliminate that threat through diplomacy and indeed recommitted itself to bringing Ukraine into NATO in 2021. Putin responded by invading Ukraine on February 24th, 2022."

And the topic of Ukraine being corrupt, and still is, has been discussed multiple times. 

[AztecAlien]

Let's go back to 2008, as I have mentioned before, shall we? 

"The Bush administration, which was pushing such a decision for NATO however, cared little about Moscow’s “brightest of red lines” and pressured the French and German leaders to agree to issuing a public pronouncement that said unequivocally that Ukraine and Georgia would eventually join the alliance.

Unsurprisingly, the American-led effort to integrate Georgia into NATO resulted in a war between Georgia and Russia in August 2008—just four months after the Bucharest summit. Nevertheless, the United States and its allies continued moving forward with their plans to make Ukraine a Western bastion on Russia’s borders. These efforts eventually sparked a major crisis in February 2014, after a U.S.-supported uprising caused Ukraine’s pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovych to flee the country. He was replaced by pro-American Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk. In response, Russia seized Crimea from Ukraine and helped fuel a civil war that broke out in the Donbass between pro-Russian separatists and the Ukrainian government."

https://www.cirsd.org/en/horizons/horizons-summer-2022-issue-no.21/the-causes-and-consequences-of-the-ukraine-war

 

[stanfordchef]

Russian bot 

there you go citing pro-russian serbian publications again lol

what a muldoon

[AztecAlien]

I see someone is still upset that they got caught in a flat out lie and is still trying. Lol. 

 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 11/27/2024 at 11:40 AM, happycamper said:

halfman, I have never seen a single indication of this. Russia has consistently stated that their goal is the destruction of Ukrainian statehood. the only negotiations that they've put forward have them occupying land hundreds of miles from where they have managed to advance - handing them half of Ukraine for conquering 20%. 

There has never in the last almost 3 years been a time where Russia was negotiating in good faith. 

Yes, I think Russia would have ended the war at several points when Ukraine had momentum and China was not happy in exchange for the recognition of their occupied territories and a grunted Ukraine would not join NATO.

Pretty much every side agrees the conflict will come to an end in the next 18 months in exchange for the same.  Why would Russia agree to that now as we expect when they have less incentive to do so but not back then.  That makes no sense.

Oh and the only country at fault for the war is Russia.  Full stop