SWspartan Posted November 17 Posted November 17 President Joe Biden will allow Ukraine to use long-range missiles supplied by the U.S. to strike Russia. https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-allow-ukraine-longer-range-205904661.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall  2
Bison Posted November 18 Posted November 18 Biden's? You mean Jill Biden approved of using those missiles on Russia?   I'm not complaining about those long range missiles hitting Moscow though?
SWspartan Posted November 18 Author Posted November 18 On 11/17/2024 at 4:30 PM, Bison said: Biden's? You mean Jill Biden approved of using those missiles on Russia?   I'm not complaining about those long range missiles hitting Moscow though? Get it done before Trump cuts off the flow and basically concedes Ukraine to his pal Putin. 1
AztecAlien Posted November 18 Posted November 18 Yeah, let's create an even bigger mess right before Trump takes office. And why did Biden wait so long and allow North Korea to get involved? This decision should have been made months ago. Biden needs to stay in his basement until January 20th. There's also an overwhelming amount of Ukrainians that believe Volodymyr Zelenskyy is behind government corruption in Ukraine. https://www.businessinsider.com/corruption-in-ukraine-zelenskyy-is-responsible-says-national-survey-2023-8 "In one poll, 77.6% of surveyed Ukrainians said Zelenskyy was responsible for government corruption. Meanwhile, over 75% of Ukrainians in a second survey said they believed that Zelenskyy was responsible for corruption in the country's military and government administrations, Interfax-Ukraine, a Ukrainian news agency, said." https://www.politico.eu/article/dominic-cummings-volodymyr-zelenskyy-ukraine-war-corruption/ Â 1 1
happycamper Posted November 18 Posted November 18 On 11/17/2024 at 9:31 PM, AztecAlien said: Yeah, let's create an even bigger mess right before Trump takes office. And why did Biden wait so long and allow North Korea to get involved? This decision should have been made months ago. Biden needs to stay in his basement until January 20th. There's also an overwhelming amount of Ukrainians that believe Volodymyr Zelenskyy is behind government corruption in Ukraine. https://www.businessinsider.com/corruption-in-ukraine-zelenskyy-is-responsible-says-national-survey-2023-8 "In one poll, 77.6% of surveyed Ukrainians said Zelenskyy was responsible for government corruption. Meanwhile, over 75% of Ukrainians in a second survey said they believed that Zelenskyy was responsible for corruption in the country's military and government administrations, Interfax-Ukraine, a Ukrainian news agency, said." https://www.politico.eu/article/dominic-cummings-volodymyr-zelenskyy-ukraine-war-corruption/ Â what does this have to do with anything
AztecAlien Posted November 18 Posted November 18 On 11/18/2024 at 9:17 AM, happycamper said: what does this have to do with anything Everything. 1
happycamper Posted November 18 Posted November 18 On 11/18/2024 at 11:18 AM, AztecAlien said: Everything. that isn't an answer. what does "ukranian's president has his fingers in pies" have to do with "russia invaded ukraine and is seeking to use it as a stepping stone against nato" 2
AztecAlien Posted November 18 Posted November 18 On 11/18/2024 at 9:28 AM, happycamper said: that isn't an answer. what does "ukranian's president has his fingers in pies" have to do with "russia invaded ukraine and is seeking to use it as a stepping stone against nato" Foremost, I'm fine with stopping Russian aggression. However, the decision to allow Ukraine to use U.S. ATACMs should have been made a long time ago. If Russia was on the ropes, why wait? You are putting more lives at risk by waiting so long and now North Korea is involved and China's relations with Russian have strengthened.  Ukraine is corrupt and always has been. The people running the show had better be spending other countries' money on defending their people and not improving their lifestyles while Russia continues its aggression with added help from our enemies. Waited too long.   1
happycamper Posted November 18 Posted November 18 On 11/18/2024 at 11:55 AM, AztecAlien said: Foremost, I'm fine with stopping Russian aggression. However, the decision to allow Ukraine to use U.S. ATACMs should have been made a long time ago. If Russia was on the ropes, why wait? You are putting more lives at risk by waiting so long and now North Korea is involved and China's relations with Russian have strengthened.  Ukraine is corrupt and always has been. The people running the show had better be spending other countries' money on defending their people and not improving their lifestyles while Russia continues its aggression with added help from our enemies. Waited too long. so your main issue is that biden wasn't strong enough on russia? I agree with that. 1
AztecAlien Posted November 18 Posted November 18 On 11/18/2024 at 10:08 AM, happycamper said: so your main issue is that biden wasn't strong enough on russia? I agree with that. Yes, while also pointing out Ukraine's history of corruption. Hopefully, the counties trying to protect Ukraine and stop Russian aggression do not end up getting played.  1
The Barber Posted November 18 Posted November 18 On 11/18/2024 at 8:28 AM, happycamper said: that isn't an answer. what does "ukranian's president has his fingers in pies" have to do with "russia invaded ukraine and is seeking to use it as a stepping stone against nato" Meh... This is a mess that's been going on since 2014. Here is a news article from 2015---7 years before Russia invaded. https://truthout.org/articles/the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-made/ Didn't help that Obama administration, Victoria Nuland orchestrated a coup in Ukraine in 2014, which cause essentially a civil war in Ukraine between ethnic Russians and right wing Ukranian militia. Which Putin was opportunistic to invade Ukraine to create a Russia land bridge to Crimea. 1
CoachKenFTW Posted November 18 Posted November 18 On 11/18/2024 at 7:28 AM, stanfordchef said: Fuck Russia Fuck Ukraine, too. They picked this fight with Russia. For perspective, what do you all think would hapen off Mexico declared it was aligning itself with the Russian military, and building bases at the border? 1 1 1
stanfordchef Posted November 18 Posted November 18 On 11/18/2024 at 2:09 PM, CoachKenFTW said: Fuck Ukraine, too. They picked this fight with Russia. For perspective, what do you all think would hapen off Mexico declared it was aligning itself with the Russian military, and building bases at the border? Yeah I must’ve missed when Ukraine started this by invading Russia. Guess I don’t watch enough RT 1 1 1
CoachKenFTW Posted November 18 Posted November 18 On 11/18/2024 at 2:11 PM, stanfordchef said: Yeah I must’ve missed when Ukraine started this by invading Russia. Guess I don’t watch enough RT -4/10 1
stanfordchef Posted November 18 Posted November 18 On 11/18/2024 at 2:13 PM, CoachKenFTW said: -4/10 if I dip my balls in borscht will you suck them, komrade? 2
sjsbuff Posted November 18 Posted November 18 On 11/17/2024 at 6:31 PM, AztecAlien said: Yeah, let's create an even bigger mess right before Trump takes office. And why did Biden wait so long and allow North Korea to get involved? This decision should have been made months ago. Biden needs to stay in his basement until January 20th. There's also an overwhelming amount of Ukrainians that believe Volodymyr Zelenskyy is behind government corruption in Ukraine. https://www.businessinsider.com/corruption-in-ukraine-zelenskyy-is-responsible-says-national-survey-2023-8 "In one poll, 77.6% of surveyed Ukrainians said Zelenskyy was responsible for government corruption. Meanwhile, over 75% of Ukrainians in a second survey said they believed that Zelenskyy was responsible for corruption in the country's military and government administrations, Interfax-Ukraine, a Ukrainian news agency, said." https://www.politico.eu/article/dominic-cummings-volodymyr-zelenskyy-ukraine-war-corruption/  Eh, no need to panic. I’m sure your Corrupt Orange Convict hero will end the war in, what, 2 days instead of the 1 he says it’ll take?  Really looking forward to peace flags flying on January 21… 2
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