President Trump, 2025-2029.

[CV147]

All this bullshit about illegals bringing in all the fentanyl is just that. It's a lie. Something like 90-plus percent of all illegal drugs come across the border via legal ports of entry, most of them using American citizens as mules. Illegal immigrants are just a convenient scapegoat.

Immigrants are far less likely to commit a crime than a legal citizen. The demonizing of the immigrant is to me a racist reflex.

The illegal immigrants in this country are illegal because our immigration system is broken. Our immigration system isn't functioning to meet the needs of our economy and our country. Our farmers need the workers. Our factories need the workers. The migrants want to come here for a better life, and yet the system which would allow them to come, and work, and be productive, is so broken.

Yet the demand for workers is still there and there will always be a black market supply to meet demand (see also the War on Drugs).

[CV147]

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mass deportation would cost the US government about $6.4 trillion—$1.5 trillion from the deportations themselves and $4.9 trillion from the lost tax revenue.

https://www.cato.org/blog/errors-mar-report-claiming-mass-deportation-cuts-debt

[SalinasSpartan]

On 11/14/2024 at 7:34 AM, CV147 said:

All this bullshit about illegals bringing in all the fentanyl is just that. It's a lie. Something like 90-plus percent of all illegal drugs come across the border via legal ports of entry, most of them using American citizens as mules. Illegal immigrants are just a convenient scapegoat.

Immigrants are far less likely to commit a crime than a legal citizen. The demonizing of the immigrant is to me a racist reflex.

The illegal immigrants in this country are illegal because our immigration system is broken. Our immigration system isn't functioning to meet the needs of our economy and our country. Our farmers need the workers. Our factories need the workers. The migrants want to come here for a better life, and yet the system which would allow them to come, and work, and be productive, is so broken.

Yet the demand for workers is still there and there will always be a black market supply to meet demand (see also the War on Drugs).

I’m guessing because you didn’t support Kamala no dumbass tax professionals from Idaho will respond to you saying childish shit like “gonna be a rough four years” or smugly ask how you’re doing. 

[Spaztecs]

On 11/14/2024 at 8:34 AM, CV147 said:

All this bullshit about illegals bringing in all the fentanyl is just that. It's a lie. Something like 90-plus percent of all illegal drugs come across the border via legal ports of entry, most of them using American citizens as mules. Illegal immigrants are just a convenient scapegoat.

Immigrants are far less likely to commit a crime than a legal citizen. The demonizing of the immigrant is to me a racist reflex.

The illegal immigrants in this country are illegal because our immigration system is broken. Our immigration system isn't functioning to meet the needs of our economy and our country. Our farmers need the workers. Our factories need the workers. The migrants want to come here for a better life, and yet the system which would allow them to come, and work, and be productive, is so broken.

Yet the demand for workers is still there and there will always be a black market supply to meet demand (see also the War on Drugs).

[Spaztecs]

It will be interesting to see how long his base holds when it all goes to shit.

[CV147]

https://www.kpbs.org/news/border-immigration/2024/08/29/american-citizens-smuggle-more-fentanyl-into-the-u-s-than-migrants-data-show

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But data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and other federal agencies show the vast majority of fentanyl comes through legal ports of entry. And the people bringing it into the country are native born Americans.

Approximately 80% of people prosecuted and convicted of federal drug trafficking offenses were U.S. citizens, according to Tara McGrath, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of California.

 

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Federal records show more than 90% of all fentanyl, cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine is seized at legal border crossings or border checkpoints on major roads along the border.

It's all a lie. Republicans need to check their presumptions.

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-offending-rate-lower-us-born-citizen-rate

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The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property crimes.

 

[Old_SD_Dude]

On 11/14/2024 at 5:43 AM, Spaztecs said:

Imagine a person who bases their political world view on what Elon Musk wants.

My thought exactly. What a world we live in…

[CPslograd]

On 11/14/2024 at 7:34 AM, CV147 said:

All this bullshit about illegals bringing in all the fentanyl is just that. It's a lie. Something like 90-plus percent of all illegal drugs come across the border via legal ports of entry, most of them using American citizens as mules. Illegal immigrants are just a convenient scapegoat.

Immigrants are far less likely to commit a crime than a legal citizen. The demonizing of the immigrant is to me a racist reflex.

The illegal immigrants in this country are illegal because our immigration system is broken. Our immigration system isn't functioning to meet the needs of our economy and our country. Our farmers need the workers. Our factories need the workers. The migrants want to come here for a better life, and yet the system which would allow them to come, and work, and be productive, is so broken.

Yet the demand for workers is still there and there will always be a black market supply to meet demand (see also the War on Drugs).

The bolded part is true, but not the whole story, or an objective look at the recent border issue.

Biden's policies caused a 400% increase in illegal migrant crossing.  Another bogus stat is saying that Biden deported more people, that is only true when looking at this years data, not in the aggregate.  You can dig up your own link on that, I'm not going to bother, but trust me, it's there.

It's not racist or radical to think that people here illegally should be deported.  It's what happens in other countries.  And it is what a majority of Americans, including a quarter of democrats, think should happen.  Majority of Americans support mass deportation, poll shows

You are right we need immigration reform, but that has been true for a decades.  It doesn't explain away Biden's border crisis.  And if democrats are honest, they were fine with illegal immigration because they thought it benefited them electorally.  Same reason they want Puerto Rico to be a state.  It's not some benign elightened policy, it's hardball politics.  At least be honest about it.

[CV147]

On 11/14/2024 at 6:10 PM, CPslograd said:

The bolded part is true, but not the whole story, or an objective look at the recent border issue.

Biden's policies caused a 400% increase in illegal migrant crossing.  Another bogus stat is saying that Biden deported more people, that is only true when looking at this years data, not in the aggregate.  You can dig up your own link on that, I'm not going to bother, but trust me, it's there.

It's not racist or radical to think that people here illegally should be deported.  It's what happens in other countries.  And it is what a majority of Americans, including a quarter of democrats, think should happen.  Majority of Americans support mass deportation, poll shows

You are right we need immigration reform, but that has been true for a decades.  It doesn't explain away Biden's border crisis.  And if democrats are honest, they were fine with illegal immigration because they thought it benefited them electorally.  Same reason they want Puerto Rico to be a state.  It's not some benign elightened policy, it's hardball politics.  At least be honest about it.

I would say that at least 90% of the so-called illegals Trump wants to deport are wanting to live productive lives in this country for their families. I think the knee jerk blaming of illegals for the problems in this country are indeed racist. Cities are not "occupied" and that assertion to me is based on their physical appearance.

I had a coworker come in and he told me he thought he saw some of "those illegals" because they were dark skinned and wearing backpacks.

[AztecAlien]

On 11/14/2024 at 8:34 AM, CV147 said:

All this bullshit about illegals bringing in all the fentanyl is just that. It's a lie. Something like 90-plus percent of all illegal drugs come across the border via legal ports of entry, most of them using American citizens as mules. Illegal immigrants are just a convenient scapegoat.

Immigrants are far less likely to commit a crime than a legal citizen. The demonizing of the immigrant is to me a racist reflex.

The illegal immigrants in this country are illegal because our immigration system is broken. Our immigration system isn't functioning to meet the needs of our economy and our country. Our farmers need the workers. Our factories need the workers. The migrants want to come here for a better life, and yet the system which would allow them to come, and work, and be productive, is so broken.

Yet the demand for workers is still there and there will always be a black market supply to meet demand (see also the War on Drugs).

Yes, our system is broken, no argument there. But the U.S. can't have 11 million illegal immigrant encounters at the southern border alone with over 2 million unaccounted for in three and half years. I am pro immigration, but that's beyond ridiculous, and Americans should absolutely be concerned for security reasons alone. The overwhelming number of immigrants that cross illegally are good people trying to better themselves. But don't tell me that some bad people didn't infiltrate the United States. We need to know exactly who the people are coming into the county. 

The Biden administration ran a campaign on an open border amnesty policy, and it backfired big time. So people need to accept it, but many will continue to deny that. 

Let's see what the Republicans have for a solution. 

 

 

[CPslograd]

On 11/14/2024 at 3:45 PM, CV147 said:

I would say that at least 90% of the so-called illegals Trump wants to deport are wanting to live productive lives in this country for their families. I think the knee jerk blaming of illegals for the problems in this country are indeed racist. Cities are not "occupied" and that assertion to me is based on their physical appearance.

I had a coworker come in and he told me he thought he saw some of "those illegals" because they were dark skinned and wearing backpacks.

It's not racist to think that illegal immigration should be illegal.  Comeon, that's not defensible.  Cesar Chavez was vigorously anti illegal immigration.  Trump won hispanic men by 10 points and swept the texas border counties that are overwhelmingly hispanic.  Do you live in Idaho?  Who do you think is impacted more by illegal immigration, border counties in Texas or Boise Idaho?  The Biden border was a complete catastrophe, it's silly to argue otherwise.

I'm not disagreeing with your point that there is hypocrisy on the right about illegal immigration, and about the need for immigration reform.  But saying deportation is racist is race baiting incitement that just isn't true.

[DestinFlPackfan]

On 11/14/2024 at 10:18 AM, CV147 said:

https://www.kpbs.org/news/border-immigration/2024/08/29/american-citizens-smuggle-more-fentanyl-into-the-u-s-than-migrants-data-show

It's all a lie. Republicans need to check their presumptions.

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-offending-rate-lower-us-born-citizen-rat

 

Jesus....the last quote says it perfectly. 

Less than half of all violent crimes are by undocumented.

That 'less than half' number shouldn't exist (at least at that high) these criminals SHOULDN'T be here in the first place.

[CV147]

On 11/14/2024 at 8:24 PM, DestinFlPackfan said:

Jesus....the last quote says it perfectly. 

Less than half of all violent crimes are by undocumented.

That 'less than half' number shouldn't exist (at least at that high) these criminals SHOULDN'T be here in the first place.

No you're not reading it correctly. They are less than half as likely, meaning citizens are more than twice as likely to commit violent crime.

Nowhere did it attribute half of all violent crimes to immigrants. 

[Akkula]

On 11/14/2024 at 6:28 PM, CPslograd said:

It's not racist to think that illegal immigration should be illegal.  

Just because you make breathing oxygen, or drinking water, or smoking weed illegal doesn't mean the problem is the supposed "criminals" or "illegals" and not the stupid, counterproductive, unenforceable law.  Mexicans have been moving across the border for hundreds of years. Laws that don't recognize supply and demand or labor are doomed.

We expect you guys to FIX the border now with all levers of government.  No more bitching and not passing laws to get zero immigrants. 

[DestinFlPackfan]

On 11/14/2024 at 10:24 PM, CV147 said:

No you're not reading it correctly. They are less than half as likely, meaning citizens are more than twice as likely to commit violent crime.

Nowhere did it attribute half of all violent crimes to immigrants. 

The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property crimes.

Arrested at less than half the rate.  Arrested....undocumented....arrested. 

I don't think I read it wrong. 

So you have 100 crimes in your town. 

60 are by citizens...the other 40 are by undocumented....the undocumented criminals aren't here and that crime number in your town would go down to 60.

Hypothetically.

 

 

[RSF]

On 11/15/2024 at 8:16 PM, DestinFlPackfan said:

The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property crimes.

Arrested at less than half the rate.  Arrested....undocumented....arrested. 

I don't think I read it wrong. 

So you have 100 crimes in your town. 

60 are by citizens...the other 40 are by undocumented....the undocumented criminals aren't here and that crime number in your town would go down to 60.

Hypothetically.

 

 

40 is not less than half of 60.

[DestinFlPackfan]

On 11/15/2024 at 8:19 PM, RSF said:

40 is not less than half of 60.

Ok. My bad change that to 29.

[Sactowndog]

On 11/14/2024 at 3:10 PM, CPslograd said:

The bolded part is true, but not the whole story, or an objective look at the recent border issue.

Biden's policies caused a 400% increase in illegal migrant crossing.  Another bogus stat is saying that Biden deported more people, that is only true when looking at this years data, not in the aggregate.  You can dig up your own link on that, I'm not going to bother, but trust me, it's there.

It's not racist or radical to think that people here illegally should be deported.  It's what happens in other countries.  And it is what a majority of Americans, including a quarter of democrats, think should happen.  Majority of Americans support mass deportation, poll shows

You are right we need immigration reform, but that has been true for a decades.  It doesn't explain away Biden's border crisis.  And if democrats are honest, they were fine with illegal immigration because they thought it benefited them electorally.  Same reason they want Puerto Rico to be a state.  It's not some benign elightened policy, it's hardball politics.  At least be honest about it.

I think both of you can be right.  It’s not racist to want to control the border.  But it is racist to blame immigrants for a bunch of stuff they just flat out didn’t do.  Are some immigrants bad people and in gangs.  Sure but an immigrant gets a bunch of extremists tattoo’s and everyone is sure he deals fentanyl.  A white guy gets them and he is nominated for SecDef.  

 

[InnZoneU]

A Trump Guitar wasn't on my bingo card.  LMFAO at this shyster.

[Hashbrowns]

On 11/15/2024 at 6:16 PM, DestinFlPackfan said:

The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property crimes.

Arrested at less than half the rate.  Arrested....undocumented....arrested. 

I don't think I read it wrong. 

So you have 100 crimes in your town. 

60 are by citizens...the other 40 are by undocumented....the undocumented criminals aren't here and that crime number in your town would go down to 60.

Hypothetically.

 

 

No you for sure read it wrong.

Texas has approx. 29 million citizens and legal immigrants and approx 1.7 million undocumented (illegal) immigrants.

Arrest rate for violent crime was 213 per 100k for citizens and 96 per 100k “illegals”.

So raw numbers would be ~1632 violent crime arrests for “illegals” and ~61,770 violent crime arrests for citizens and legal immigrants.

2.6% of the violent crime even though they make up 5.5% of the population.

Read the footnotes if you don’t believe me.