Dismantling of the Republic is in full swing

[CV147]

Trump was not the end of democracy in 2016 and he won't be the end in 2024. People need to stop believing their own parties' bullshit propaganda. In three years we'll have the next "most important election of our lives" don't worry.

You'll all get to freak out again for your party 

[Sactowndog]

On 11/12/2024 at 7:58 PM, sean327 said:

Not really. A good Integrated Air Defense System(IADS) is completely air gapped to prevent that from happening. Modern jamming techniques can destroy computer and communication networks with brute force or subtle finesse. EW is just as much a cat and mouse game as Cyber. That being said, my bias is probably getting the best of me. EW is my wheelhouse, Cyber not so much. Either way, I'm enjoying the hell out of this discussion. Others might not be too thrilled that we hijacked the thread though🤣🤣😎

The concern with those systems for me is embedded stuff in Apps or Firmware.  A lot of these systems have complex firmware in components like SSD’s which have potential for compromise.  Now granted if they are air gapped you would have a triggering issue.  But people much smarter than I am would work on overcoming that problem.  
 

either way I think we agree we need our best people both attacking and defending.   And we need an armed forces that is welcoming to them regardless of race, sex or sexual orientation. And I get your point which is why I would like to see a seperate cyber command with no base physical requirements.  

[Sactowndog]

On 11/12/2024 at 8:51 PM, CV147 said:

Trump was not the end of democracy in 2016 and he won't be the end in 2024. People need to stop believing their own parties' bullshit propaganda. In three years we'll have the next "most important election of our lives" don't worry.

You'll all get to freak out again for your party 

No one wants it to be except maybe @bornontheblue   That said to believe it could never happen here is the first step to letting it happen.  

[Sactowndog]

On 11/12/2024 at 8:36 PM, CV147 said:

To be clear, this is a scenario and not some announced policy. This seems a bit premature.

Yeah well how would you start it.  
 

You would make sure you could make appointments without Senate oversight - check 

You would appoint a head of DOD with no respect for the military code of Justice - check. 

You would make people feel secure no matter what they did you would pardon you - check

 

Seems like a pretty good start for anyone paying attention.  

[Sactowndog]

On 11/12/2024 at 8:15 PM, retrofade said:

Airgapped systems still require updates, and cyber can impact C3 for EW. Many EW systems use IoT devices, which can be breached to impact the EW systems. I'm actually working on developing a defense mechanism for IoT devices using some of the principles of my startup's tech stack. It's still in the early stages of development and probably a year out before I even have an MVP, but we've had some positive feedback on the concept thus far. 

Then there are attacks like Stuxnet or even supply chain attacks similar to what Israel just did to Hezbollah in Lebanon with their pagers.

I never served in the military, but the Air Force recruited me out of high school for SIGINT... but my various sports injuries prevented me from being physically cleared. Now, 20+ years later, my primary focus is cyber security (though it hasn't been previously), and working a lot with OSINT as well. 

Do me a favor.  Spell out your acronyms for everyone reading this 

[retrofade]

On 11/12/2024 at 9:30 PM, Sactowndog said:

Do me a favor.  Spell out your acronyms for everyone reading this 

C3 = Command, control, and communications

EW = Electronic Warfare

IoT = Internet of Things

MVP = Minimum Viable Product

SIGINT = Signals Intelligence (typically electronic communications and emissions)

OSINT = Open Source Intelligence (data gathered from open sources to create actionable intelligence)

[Sactowndog]

On 11/12/2024 at 9:36 PM, retrofade said:

C3 = Command, control, and communications

EW = Electronic Warfare

IoT = Internet of Things

MVP = Minimum Viable Product

SIGINT = Signals Intelligence (typically electronic communications and emissions)

OSINT = Open Source Intelligence (data gathered from open sources to create actionable intelligence)

Thanks.  

[SDSUfan]

On 11/12/2024 at 6:19 PM, sean327 said:

The JCS are political appointees. That much is true. But there has been a long tradition in this country of keeping politics out of the military, and it has served us well. Politicizing General Officer appointments is a serious red flag. Here is the officer Oath. It says nothing about loyalty to a President.

The Oath of Office (for officers): "I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the _____ (Military Branch) of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."

The oath is to the Constitution and in turn, the American People. Not the President.

100% of the current JCS are Biden appointees 

What's that you say about being not political?

Further. Why would you expect an incoming president to be advised by people hand picked by his successor, focused on those issues of importance to his successor and not his? 

That would be insane.

 

[Spaztecs]

On 11/12/2024 at 9:35 PM, CV147 said:

Wow that's a leap

Kent State.

 

[Spaztecs]

On 11/12/2024 at 8:23 PM, Dogs4Me said:

Why shouldn’t any leader be critical of what’s in place? That’s the basic premise of improvement processes…that noted, there are basic principles that should never change.

Well argued.

But in a bottle. You've failed to account for the Authoritarian impulses of DJT.

[Spaztecs]

On 11/12/2024 at 9:41 PM, CV147 said:

Oh my goodness.

Project 2025

You fell for it

It sounds like you believe Trump knows nothing about it. Every sentence of it benefits Trump and the Rights dream of a strongman Leader.

I guess you fell for it.

[happycamper]

On 11/12/2024 at 9:50 PM, sean327 said:

No, but it has degraded readiness. At the end of the day, the military exists to do two things. Kill bad guys, and break their stuff. That's it. If you can't deploy, you have no fucking business being in. It's not the fucking Boy Scouts.

 

On 11/12/2024 at 9:46 PM, Sactowndog said:

Some of it is dumb.  Some of it might make more sense if you had a stand alone Cyber Command where you really don’t give a shit about body type.  Potentially the same for piloting drones.  Quite frankly if someone is a good hacker or defensive hacker I don’t give a shit if they are deployable.  Part of the problem is hosting that shit within the Army where you want everyone deployable.  
 

That being said none of that was ignoring the code of justice or deploying troops against US Citizens.  

 

On 11/12/2024 at 10:06 PM, Just_Chris said:

I never served but many in my family have and I totally love this take. At the end of the day I want my military to fuck up the enemy. Even though I support gay and trans rights I don't give a shit about that if you're in the military. You are there to do a job, leave your identity politics at the door before you enter Ft Jackson or Great Lakes. 

 

I mean, isn't this why we have cyber command in the chair force? kidding... sorta...

[Akkula]

On 11/13/2024 at 7:34 AM, Spaztecs said:

It sounds like you believe Trump knows nothing about it. Every sentence of it benefits Trump and the Rights dream of a strongman Leader.

I guess you fell for it.

Oh yes, Trump has no knowledge of this and doesn't even know who or what it is!  Just like Stormy Daniels and...and...and

[Sactowndog]

On 11/13/2024 at 5:34 AM, Spaztecs said:

It sounds like you believe Trump knows nothing about it. Every sentence of it benefits Trump and the Rights dream of a strongman Leader.

I guess you fell for it.

Hard to believe @CV147 can’t see what is happening is pretty much right on track.  We shall see if the Senate goes along with it in naming Scott majority leader and 50 Senators fall in line. 

[Sactowndog]

So @sean327 @CV147 @mugtang

tell us how do you feel about this…..

The transition team for President-elect Trump is working on an executive order that would speed up the firing of top military brass if signed, The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday.

The draft executive order would set up a “warrior board” of retired generals and noncommissioned officers given power to review three- and four-star officers and to recommend anyone “lacking in requisite leadership qualities,” according to the document, reviewed by the Journal.

 

https://fox59.com/news/national-world/trump-draft-executive-order-would-set-up-board-to-oust-generals-en-masse-report/amp/

oh yeah @Dogs4Me you stupid POS this is exactly why Generals like Milley, Kelly and Mattis who honored their oath will not be around this time.  

[mysfit]

On 11/12/2024 at 9:51 PM, CV147 said:

Trump was not the end of democracy in 2016 and he won't be the end in 2024. People need to stop believing their own parties' bullshit propaganda. In three years we'll have the next "most important election of our lives" don't worry.

You'll all get to freak out again for your party 

2016 he bent and broke the guardrails in place to protect democracy to an extent no one thought possible.

I'm sorry but we're you asleep and missed that?

And now he's setting up to implement EO's and policies antithetical to democracy. He's planning on erradocating whole sections of democratic norms. Either you're too thrilled for Trump 2.0 you don't care or you want to see these portions of our rights ripped away.

If you truly cared about our democracy and fully understood how it worked you would be horrified by what he's doing. Clearly one or both of those things are not true about you.

[mysfit]

On 11/13/2024 at 8:54 AM, Sactowndog said:

So @sean327 @CV147 @mugtang

tell us how do you feel about this…..

 

The transition team for President-elect Trump is working on an executive order that would speed up the firing of top military brass if signed, The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday.

The draft executive order would set up a “warrior board” of retired generals and noncommissioned officers given power to review three- and four-star officers and to recommend anyone “lacking in requisite leadership qualities,” according to the document, reviewed by the Journal.

 

https://fox59.com/news/national-world/trump-draft-executive-order-would-set-up-board-to-oust-generals-en-masse-report/amp/

 

When signed, not if.

Cracking on the military as part of his R&R (revenge and retaliation) tour has to be in his top 5 first things to do.

He's even mentioned bringing some back to active duty, like Milley, to face court martial.

[bornontheblue]

On 11/13/2024 at 9:07 AM, mysfit said:

2016 he bent and broke the guardrails in place to protect democracy to an extent no one thought possible.

I'm sorry but we're you asleep and missed that?

And now he's setting up to implement EO's and policies antithetical to democracy. He's planning on erradocating whole sections of democratic norms. Either you're too thrilled for Trump 2.0 you don't care or you want to see these portions of our rights ripped away.

If you truly cared about our democracy and fully understood how it worked you would be horrified by what he's doing. Clearly one or both of those things are not true about you.

You are going to have a tough time the next 4 years 

[mugtang]

On 11/13/2024 at 7:54 AM, Sactowndog said:

So @sean327 @CV147 @mugtang

tell us how do you feel about this…..

The transition team for President-elect Trump is working on an executive order that would speed up the firing of top military brass if signed, The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday.

The draft executive order would set up a “warrior board” of retired generals and noncommissioned officers given power to review three- and four-star officers and to recommend anyone “lacking in requisite leadership qualities,” according to the document, reviewed by the Journal.

 

https://fox59.com/news/national-world/trump-draft-executive-order-would-set-up-board-to-oust-generals-en-masse-report/amp/

oh yeah @Dogs4Me you stupid POS this is exactly why Generals like Milley, Kelly and Mattis who honored their oath will not be around this time.  

I don’t have an issue with the president firing generals. It’s his purgative.  He’s their boss and is the commander in chief and he’s just exercising his constitutional authority.  Obama fired 197 high ranking military officers in his first 5 years.

https://www.thedesertreview.com/arts_and_entertainment/obama-accused-of-military-purge/article_18eb9045-7e84-54aa-8365-1cf94a728222.html

 

As for HR 9495…maybe nonprofits shouldn’t be involved with organizations or people that support terrorism? 

[mysfit]

On 11/13/2024 at 9:20 AM, mugtang said:

I don’t have an issue with the president firing generals. It’s his purgative.  He’s their boss and is the commander in chief and he’s just exercising his constitutional authority.  Obama fired 197 high ranking military officers in his first 5 years.

https://www.thedesertreview.com/arts_and_entertainment/obama-accused-of-military-purge/article_18eb9045-7e84-54aa-8365-1cf94a728222.html

 

As for HR 9495…maybe nonprofits shouldn’t be involved with organizations or people that support terrorism? 

Like Black lives matter?

Abortion rights?

Civil rights?

Because his administration will target every one of those under that.