Dismantling of the Republic is in full swing

[Dogs4Me]

On 11/12/2024 at 6:24 PM, Sactowndog said:

How do you feel about appointing a SECDEF who is known as a critic of the USMCJ?  

Why shouldn’t any leader be critical of what’s in place? That’s the basic premise of improvement processes…that noted, there are basic principles that should never change.

[Sactowndog]

On 11/12/2024 at 7:19 PM, Dogs4Me said:

So, by your measure, the only capable cyber warriors are gay and trans?

No that was not what I said.  I said the best Cyber Warriors may well be gay or trans and it is as important we get the best Cyber Warriors as it is Tier 1 operators.   By the way as Drone warfare becomes more prevalent that would be true also.   
 

We need our best in all areas and that means in some cases being clear the armed services are not hostile to them.  
 

That’s not dumb that is smart. 

[sean327]

On 11/12/2024 at 8:00 PM, Sactowndog said:

Yeah except your opinion of breaking stuff is dated.  If I can get into their computer systems I can break a shit load of stuff.  Ask @retrofade what can be done.
 

Sorry but a top level hacker who can penetrate opposing systems is a fuck load more valuable than another grunt that can meet the minimum physical requirements.  
 

The problem is the Army has too wide a range of missions.  The Marines do not which is why they can push back.  You have to have those top level Cyber people.  But I agree you don’t want them deployed on a physical mission.  As you well know the Army can deploy people all over.  You need the Cyber people out of the Army.  

You Cyber guys always overestimate your importance, just like the Air Force did in the late 80's with their mistaken belief that air power alone can win the day. You're a piece of the whole picture. Look at modern warfare like this, it's a combined arms enterprise. In the traditional sense, that would be infantry, armor, supporting fires, air and naval support. In today's world you need to look at the combined arms concept as 1. Conventional Warfare, encompassing traditional combined arms concepts. 2. Cyber Warfare and 3. Electronic Warfare which is the denial of the enemy's use of the RF Spectrum. Neither arm is more important than the other. Neither arm can stand alone and win a near peer conflict. The Russians are getting their asses handed to them because they either don't care, or they don't understand. Time will tell if China is also a paper tiger. I have thoughts on that, but I'm not going to talk about it here.

[Just_Chris]

On 11/12/2024 at 7:30 PM, sean327 said:

You Cyber guys always overestimate your importance, just like the Air Force did in the late 80's with their mistaken belief that air power alone can win the day. You're a piece of the whole picture. Look at modern warfare like this, it's a combined arms enterprise. In the traditional sense, that would be infantry, armor, supporting fires, air and naval support. In today's world you need to look at the combined arms concept as 1. Conventional Warfare, encompassing traditional combined arms concepts. 2. Cyber Warfare and 3. Electronic Warfare which is the denial of the enemy's use of the RF Spectrum. Neither arm is more important than the other. Neither arm can stand alone and win a near peer conflict. The Russians are getting their asses handed to them because they either don't care, or they don't understand. Time will tell if China is also a paper tiger. I have thoughts on that, but I'm not going to talk about it here.

While they might be they have a near endless supply of people who they won't have an issue throwing in front of bullets to help them win

I am curious how these North Koreans are doing in Ukraine, could be a real indication if they are a serious threat or not 

[sean327]

On 11/12/2024 at 8:36 PM, Just_Chris said:

While they might be they have a near endless supply of people who they won't have an issue throwing in front of bullets to help them win

I am curious how these North Koreans are doing in Ukraine, could be a real indication if they are a serious threat or not 

The North Koreans are also getting their asses handed to them. They are just new cannon fodder.

[Sactowndog]

On 11/12/2024 at 7:30 PM, sean327 said:

You Cyber guys always overestimate your importance, just like the Air Force did in the late 80's with their mistaken belief that air power alone can win the day. You're a piece of the whole picture. Look at modern warfare like this, it's a combined arms enterprise. In the traditional sense, that would be infantry, armor, supporting fires, air and naval support. In today's world you need to look at the combined arms concept as 1. Conventional Warfare, encompassing traditional combined arms concepts. 2. Cyber Warfare and 3. Electronic Warfare which is the denial of the enemy's use of the RF Spectrum. Neither arm is more important than the other. Neither arm can stand alone and win a near peer conflict. The Russians are getting their asses handed to them because they either don't care, or they don't understand. Time will tell if China is also a paper tiger. I have thoughts on that, but I'm not going to talk about it here.

Did you see me say Conventional Warfare was not important?  Nope.  
 

But do you want the best Cyber Warriors in your corner or not?  
 

If you lose the Cyber War badly you are fucked.  Just like if you had zero air cover you are fucked. 

[sean327]

On 11/12/2024 at 8:39 PM, Sactowndog said:

Did you see me say Conventional Warfare was not important?  Nope.  
 

but if you lose the Cyber War badly you are fucked.  

I personally would put Electronic Warfare slightly above Cyber. But that's me. Lose any of the 3 and you're fucked.

[Sactowndog]

On 11/12/2024 at 7:41 PM, sean327 said:

I personally would put Electronic Warfare slightly above Cyber. But that's me. Lose any of the 3 and you're fucked.

Well consider Cyber can conceivably knock out all Electronic if you get the right code string in the right place.  
 

if that trans kid manages to plant a bug that takes down all your opponents Comm satellites or keeps yours from being taken down you would kiss his pink haired ass 

[sean327]

On 11/12/2024 at 8:44 PM, Sactowndog said:

Well consider Cyber can conceivably knock out all Electronic if you get the right code string in the right place.  

Not really. A good Integrated Air Defense System(IADS) is completely air gapped to prevent that from happening. Modern jamming techniques can destroy computer and communication networks with brute force or subtle finesse. EW is just as much a cat and mouse game as Cyber. That being said, my bias is probably getting the best of me. EW is my wheelhouse, Cyber not so much. Either way, I'm enjoying the hell out of this discussion. Others might not be too thrilled that we hijacked the thread though🤣🤣😎

[retrofade]

On 11/12/2024 at 7:58 PM, sean327 said:

Not really. A good Integrated Air Defense System(IADS) is completely air gapped to prevent that from happening. Modern jamming techniques can destroy computer and communication networks with brute force or subtle finesse. EW is just as much a cat and mouse game as Cyber. That being said, my bias is probably getting the best of me. EW is my wheelhouse, Cyber not so much. Either way, I'm enjoying the hell out of this discussion. Others might not be too thrilled that we hijacked the thread though🤣🤣😎

Airgapped systems still require updates, and cyber can impact C3 for EW. Many EW systems use IoT devices, which can be breached to impact the EW systems. I'm actually working on developing a defense mechanism for IoT devices using some of the principles of my startup's tech stack. It's still in the early stages of development and probably a year out before I even have an MVP, but we've had some positive feedback on the concept thus far. 

Then there are attacks like Stuxnet or even supply chain attacks similar to what Israel just did to Hezbollah in Lebanon with their pagers.

I never served in the military, but the Air Force recruited me out of high school for SIGINT... but my various sports injuries prevented me from being physically cleared. Now, 20+ years later, my primary focus is cyber security (though it hasn't been previously), and working a lot with OSINT as well. 

[Spaztecs]

On 11/12/2024 at 3:41 PM, CV147 said:

As far as firing military leaders opposed to him, that's kind of his prerogative as the Commander in Chief isn't it?

Why would the civilian leader of our military want to retain military officers who were opposed to him?

When it comes to violating the Constitution or firing on American Citizens, there is a line.

[mysfit]

For those who are clearly reading challenged, the warrior board goes far beyond the Joint chiefs. They're talking about going deeper into the system. They're talking about making radical changes to the military structure, thinning out command ranks and making sure those left in command are loyal. There have been a few other articles on their plans.

They have stated they want to be able to deploy the military against civilians in certain circumstances. That would be an illegal order. So they want loyalists who wouldn't argue over legalities.

That's what the goal of this warrior board is.

[CV147]

On 11/12/2024 at 6:18 PM, AztecAlien said:

So, do you believe what's happening nearly a quarter of a century into the 21st century regarding the media, no matter what side is justifiable? I think our forefathers who implemented freedom of the press are rolling in their graves, to be honest. 

 

 

Some would make that very same argument regarding the Second Amendment, but you won't hear that will you?

[CV147]

On 11/12/2024 at 11:26 PM, Spaztecs said:

When it comes to violating the Constitution or firing on American Citizens, there is a line.

Wow that's a leap

[CV147]

On 11/12/2024 at 11:30 PM, mysfit said:

For those who are clearly reading challenged, the warrior board goes far beyond the Joint chiefs. They're talking about going deeper into the system. They're talking about making radical changes to the military structure, thinning out command ranks and making sure those left in command are loyal. There have been a few other articles on their plans.

They have stated they want to be able to deploy the military against civilians in certain circumstances. That would be an illegal order. So they want loyalists who wouldn't argue over legalities.

That's what the goal of this warrior board is.

To be clear, this is a scenario and not some announced policy. This seems a bit premature.

[mysfit]

On 11/12/2024 at 9:36 PM, CV147 said:

To be clear, this is a scenario and not some announced policy. This seems a bit premature.

Incorrect 

It's been an announced goal I'm not surprised you've missed it but it's part of project 2025

[CV147]

Oh my goodness.

Project 2025

You fell for it

[mysfit]

Using the military to quell civil unrest in those evil blue states  has been floatedany times. This warrior board is the first step towards making that happen. This is the man who set Jan 6 in motion. He won't blink to send in troops to Portland or San Francisco given the slightest excuse 

[retrofade]

On 11/12/2024 at 8:41 PM, CV147 said:

Oh my goodness.

Project 2025

You fell for it

It's in a draft executive order and in-line with his "Agenda 47" and public statements. 

[mysfit]

On 11/12/2024 at 9:41 PM, CV147 said:

Oh my goodness.

Project 2025

You fell for it

Nothing to fall for

 They're all admitting it's the roadmap Miller and others put together. It's all there on plain sight. It's all there on Trump's own words as well if you've been paying attention which apparently you haven't been.