Birthright Citizenship

[Sactowndog]

On 11/12/2024 at 11:51 AM, thelawlorfaithful said:

I didn’t say I agreed with it. I pointed out where the arguments would hinge.

Arguments? Don’t you mean contrived justifications? 

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 11/12/2024 at 1:11 PM, Sactowndog said:

Arguments? Don’t you mean contrived justifications? 

No, I didn’t mean that.

[sean327]

On 11/9/2024 at 2:00 PM, aztech said:

Amendments are only additions to the Constitutions.  So If I'm correct they can be dropped.  

Then go through the correct process. No executive order can kill an amendment.

[sean327]

On 11/9/2024 at 3:26 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

Literally any part of the Constitution can be “dropped”. 

If you follow the correct procedure. Pass through both the House and the Senate, then be passed by 2/3 of the state legislatures. An executive order doesn't cut it.

[Sactowndog]

On 11/12/2024 at 2:49 PM, sean327 said:

If you follow the correct procedure. Pass through both the House and the Senate, then be passed by 2/3 of the state legislatures. An executive order doesn't cut it.

Sadly it comes down to what SCOTUS says cuts it and I would have bet my house they would not have said POTUS is above the law.   They can also do what they want at the end of a gun.   
 

watch whom the Senate chooses as majority leader.  If it’s Scott we are much closer to either option.  

[Dogs4Me]

On 11/9/2024 at 11:29 AM, Hashbrowns said:

AMENDMENT XIV

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

What are other first world countries doing for this sort of situation? Specifically, our European friends…

[SalinasSpartan]

On 11/12/2024 at 2:49 PM, sean327 said:

If you follow the correct procedure. Pass through both the House and the Senate, then be passed by 2/3 of the state legislatures. An executive order doesn't cut it.

Yea, exactly. My point was just that any part of the Constitution can be amended or “dropped”, it’s not like Amendments are any “easier” to get rid of. 

[SalinasSpartan]

On 11/12/2024 at 4:18 PM, Dogs4Me said:

What are other first world countries doing for this sort of situation? Specifically, our European friends…

It seems to have been a direct response to the abolishing of race based chattel slavery as a way to incorporate the former enslaved people and their kids into the U.S. as citizens. If slavery had never existed, it’s possible birthright citizenship would have never been a thing. But slavery did exist, so birthright citizenship does exist.

[InnZoneU]

On 11/12/2024 at 4:18 PM, Dogs4Me said:

What are other first world countries doing for this sort of situation? Specifically, our European friends…

Some more modern euros do.  Most go by Jus Sanguins.  Blood rights ie previous family citizens of country

Have you ever read The Big Colossus?  The thing scripted on the Statue of Liberty.  It's what makes America exceptional.

[FresnoFacts]

On 11/12/2024 at 4:18 PM, Dogs4Me said:

What are other first world countries doing for this sort of situation? Specifically, our European friends…

Other countries that currently have unlimited Birthright Citizenship include Canada, Mexico, Costa Rica, Brazil, and others.

Some countries have various conditions such as one parent being a citizen or legal resident; how long someone resided in the country; etc.

I don't know how current the Wiki article is but here is the link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

 

 

[happycamper]

On 11/12/2024 at 7:18 PM, Dogs4Me said:

What are other first world countries doing for this sort of situation? Specifically, our European friends…

First, Canada.

Second, handy map:

Second, dogs, have you paid any attention at all to immigration issues in Europe? They're a dumpster fire. they can't even assimilate neighboring Europeans. If Europeans aren't doing jus solis, then that's a pretty great argument for it lol

[Dogs4Me]

On 11/13/2024 at 5:08 AM, happycamper said:

First, Canada.

Second, handy map:

Second, dogs, have you paid any attention at all to immigration issues in Europe? They're a dumpster fire. they can't even assimilate neighboring Europeans. If Europeans aren't doing jus solis, then that's a pretty great argument for it lol

I noted our European friends on purpose…they seem pretty dissatisfied with how their more liberal policies have impacted them.

[happycamper]

On 11/13/2024 at 12:42 PM, Dogs4Me said:

I noted our European friends on purpose…they seem pretty dissatisfied with how their more liberal policies have impacted them.

they were a lot more dissatisfied with trump style policies lmao

[renoskier]

On 11/13/2024 at 9:42 AM, Dogs4Me said:

I noted our European friends on purpose…they seem pretty dissatisfied with how their more liberal policies have impacted them.

Do you believe their "citizenship" laws are "liberal"?

if they're having bigger problems than us, why would you want to emulate them?

[Dogs4Me]

On 11/13/2024 at 10:46 AM, renoskier said:

Do you believe their "citizenship" laws are "liberal"?

if they're having bigger problems than us, why would you want to emulate them?

I believe when they’re being overrun in their own countries by the allah snackbars of the world because they’re soft, caring example for the world goes wrong, they’d probably like a do over. I think the the American liberal has a tendency to hold the eurotrash ideas above American ideals…immigration is one of those key examples.

[happycamper]

On 11/13/2024 at 4:09 PM, Dogs4Me said:

I believe when they’re being overrun in their own countries by the allah snackbars of the world because they’re soft, caring example for the world goes wrong, they’d probably like a do over. I think the the American liberal has a tendency to hold the eurotrash ideas above American ideals…immigration is one of those key examples.

I mean. they're not overrun. people who hate any immigration like to claim they're overrun. and they're anything but "soft and caring" lmao. our "idk man you came over here illegally and had kids and you're just in this gray legal area" is somehow more caring and softer than their "YOU WILL NEVER BE SWISS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE ALWAYS TURKISH EVEN IF YOUR PARENTS HAVE NEVER SEEN TURKEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" policies

dogs you really need to educate yourself on this. because in this case, being hardline on immigration IS holding 'eurotrash ideas above american ideas'. being soft and pro-immigration IS american ideals lol

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 11/12/2024 at 6:23 PM, InnZoneU said:

Some more modern euros do.  Most go by Jus Sanguins.  Blood rights ie previous family citizens of country

Have you ever read The Big Colossus?  The thing scripted on the Statue of Liberty.  It's what makes America exceptional.

The New Colosus.*

[Akkula]

On 11/12/2024 at 9:27 PM, FresnoFacts said:

Other countries that currently have unlimited Birthright Citizenship include Canada, Mexico, Costa Rica, Brazil, and others.

Some countries have various conditions such as one parent being a citizen or legal resident; how long someone resided in the country; etc.

I don't know how current the Wiki article is but here is the link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

 

 

Costa Rica grants citizenship by birth.  There are plenty of gringo "anchor babies" here.

[mysfit]

Immigrants are not the problem. They are a vital part of our economy. 

[AztecAlien]

On 11/13/2024 at 2:56 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

The New Colosus.*

He probably doesn't even know what it means, nor realizes that the majority of immigrants that came through Ellis Island did so legally. Then again, look at the source. 

Evidently I didn't reiterate what I was getting at. See my other post.