Mass deportation

[Sactowndog]

On 11/8/2024 at 4:43 PM, UtGrizfan said:

They're just saying the quiet part out loud, according to the left deporting illegal immigrants, in particular the criminal elements, will somehow automatically mean (insert racist stereotype job) will suffer. 

No it means the immigrant who is a CEO or Executive VP is so important the country already offered them citizenship because their business made sure of it.   
 

if you lived somewhere other than Utah you would know that fact because you would know multiple such people.  It’s the working class kept in limbo. 

[Sactowndog]

On 11/8/2024 at 9:08 PM, Dogs4Me said:

Who worked those jobs before our illegal friends?

Don’t know how old you are but in the 70’s and 80’s it was illegal immigrants from Mexico.  In the 50’s it was the Bracero program.  
 

in the 1980’s I thought I wanted to go in the peace corps for 2 years.  So my parents wisely suggested I do a summer internship in a sustainable ag program.  I worked on an organic farm with 2 Mexican young men that were maybe 140 each.  I was a 165lb collegiate competitive swimmer and those two guys kicked my ass.   40 years later I’m still in awe of how hard and efficiently they worked.   I decided tech sales was a better idea.  Lol

We deport those guys and farm productivity is going to hell.   

[Akkula]

On 11/8/2024 at 11:08 PM, Dogs4Me said:

Who worked those jobs before our illegal friends?

This is why I want you guys to enact all of your deportations and close the border.  It will be funny watching red rural America suffer for their cultishness and racism.   Don't filibuster!

[Soupslam]

On 11/8/2024 at 4:26 AM, Akkula said:

Democrats should get out of the way and let Trump do what he wants on immigration.  Let him do mass deportations. But FORCE him to actually pass a law.  Only good can come of it.

Either he solves the problem and MAGA has nothing to run on OR he royally screws it up.

I don't believe Trumpists have any actual legislative ideas.  They hope Democrats will filibuster so they can blame Democrats for nothing getting passed and preserve the issue.  Democrats should allow Republicans to own this and bring it up daily until Republicans get something passed.

I heard he was going to divert all immigrant traffic to Costa Rica where some guy named Akkula pays $2.50 an hour to do his gardening. 

[stanfordchef]

On 11/9/2024 at 8:14 AM, Soupslam said:

I heard he was going to divert all immigrant traffic to Costa Rica where some guy named Akkula pays $2.50 an hour to do his gardening. 

No that’s just some guy named “Joe” in Pacific Heights 

[aztech]

On 11/8/2024 at 7:38 PM, Hashbrowns said:

According to estimates from the Center for Migration Studies of New York (CMS) and other groups, as many as 8.3 million undocumented immigrants work in the US economy, or 5.2 percent of the workforce. They work in construction (1.5 million), restaurants (1 million), agriculture and farms (320,000), landscaping (300,000), and food processing and manufacturing (200,000), among other occupations. 

That's why this illegal immigrant bluster is all bullshit politics and it'll quiet down until the mid-term election.  They do work that Americans think is below them and they work like hell.  If you feel eggs are expensive then wait for meat prices to go up if they took those workers out of meat packing plants.  Do you really think Americans would do those jobs as efficiently, even if they raise the hourly wages?  No effen way!!

[Spaztecs]

On 11/8/2024 at 12:54 AM, Nevada Convert said:

The US Military in not Trump. Fool.

The US Military does not have the best record when it comes to fighting insurgent or asymmetric warfare.

 

[Nevada Convert]

On 11/8/2024 at 5:56 AM, Buttermaker said:

I thought trump was the non-war president?

What in the world gave you that idea? Trump has clearly stated that he’s for war, not just wars that he doesn’t think are justified. Why did he get us involved with Troops on the ground during the Syrian War when he was prez? Putin threatened Trump with nuke war when US Troops arrived.

[Nevada Convert]

On 11/8/2024 at 6:13 AM, happycamper said:

convert we were already paying mexico to stop migrants coming up. that was greatly curttailed under... the first trump administration.

convert most of our cars are built in mexico, or at least use mexican assembled parts. we import a huge percentage of our food from mexico. our corn farmers export a huge amount of corn to mexico. we just re-negotiated nafta at huge effort and expense. how are we going to put a 500% tarriff on mexico? how does that play with "the economy" being the largest issue on people's minds?

convert, mexican special forces are why the zetas are so powerful lol. a lot of mexican special forces defected... to become the zetas. 

mexico doesn't "need the us to survive" any more than we "need mexico to survive" in that we have a pretty intricately tied economy and losing the other country as a trade partner would be hugely damaging. mexico has traditionally seeked less, less, less close relations with the us. nafta didn't happen until the 90s not because we didn't want to do it, but because that's how long it took to convince mexico to do it. now I believe mexico is the country with the most free trade agreements worldwide. 

How could you possibly be wrong about EVERYTHING that you posted. Do you know anything that’s accurate? Jesus H Christ.

[Akkula]

On 11/8/2024 at 11:08 PM, Dogs4Me said:

Who worked those jobs before our illegal friends?

Immigrants.  Throughout most of our history we have had basically "open borders" with Mexico.  Our current system is kind of a sham because we essentially give them all sorts of ways to easily cross and work illegally. 

Please...I am begging you.   Stop those lake flows and pay the wage required to get native born people to pick crops. 

[Akkula]

On 11/9/2024 at 10:14 AM, Soupslam said:

I heard he was going to divert all immigrant traffic to Costa Rica where some guy named Akkula pays $2.50 an hour to do his gardening. 

There are already many low skill immigrants here from Nicaragua.   The USA isn't the only country that deals with immigration. 

[Akkula]

On 11/9/2024 at 3:44 PM, aztech said:

That's why this illegal immigrant bluster is all bullshit politics and it'll quiet down until the mid-term election.  They do work that Americans think is below them and they work like hell.  If you feel eggs are expensive then wait for meat prices to go up if they took those workers out of meat packing plants.  Do you really think Americans would do those jobs as efficiently, even if they raise the hourly wages?  No effen way!!

It is up to Democrats every day to press conferences at the border to pressure them on the issue.   Newsome should offer free bus tickets and flights from California to any red state for immigrants to spur them to actually fix it this time and not just use it as a campaign issue. 

[Madmartigan]

On 11/8/2024 at 7:13 AM, happycamper said:

convert we were already paying mexico to stop migrants coming up. that was greatly curttailed under... the first trump administration.

convert most of our cars are built in mexico, or at least use mexican assembled parts. we import a huge percentage of our food from mexico. our corn farmers export a huge amount of corn to mexico. we just re-negotiated nafta at huge effort and expense. how are we going to put a 500% tarriff on mexico? how does that play with "the economy" being the largest issue on people's minds?

convert, mexican special forces are why the zetas are so powerful lol. a lot of mexican special forces defected... to become the zetas. 

mexico doesn't "need the us to survive" any more than we "need mexico to survive" in that we have a pretty intricately tied economy and losing the other country as a trade partner would be hugely damaging. mexico has traditionally seeked less, less, less close relations with the us. nafta didn't happen until the 90s not because we didn't want to do it, but because that's how long it took to convince mexico to do it. now I believe mexico is the country with the most free trade agreements worldwide. 

Lol again with the saying "convert" over and over again like he's your kid lol. 

This is a great post. As you correctly pointed out, Mexico is our biggest trading parter and that's by intentional design. We need this to continue. I'd much rather trade with Mexico than China. 

[Madmartigan]

On 11/10/2024 at 12:21 AM, Nevada Convert said:

How could you possibly be wrong about EVERYTHING that you posted. Do you know anything that’s accurate? Jesus H Christ.

Which part of his post is wrong? 

[InnZoneU]

Take away my taco stand on the corner of Sepulveda / Sherman Way and it's gonna be war.

[Madmartigan]

On 11/10/2024 at 9:36 AM, InnZoneU said:

Take away my taco stand on the corner of Sepulveda / Sherman Way and it's gonna be war.

The quantity of amazing taco stands to be found in LA is astounding. There would be riots if they went away. 

[Spaztecs]

On 11/10/2024 at 10:20 AM, Madmartigan said:

The quantity of amazing taco stands to be found in LA is astounding. There would be riots if they went away. 

The Magats actually believe that's a bonus.

I can't wait for the Defense of American Cuisine Act. It will probably be a rider to the Protection of Kitchen Appliance Act.

 

[InnZoneU]

On 11/10/2024 at 9:20 AM, Madmartigan said:

The quantity of amazing taco stands to be found in LA is astounding. There would be riots if they went away. 

Hispanic immigrants are valued parts of our community here in LA.  My dad has a housekeeper from El Salvador who is the nicest lady ever.  She makes fantastic Pupusas.  Probably illegal.  Don't care.

There's absolutely no way Trump is gonna send his goons out here to round up all the brown looking people.  Not gonna happen.

 

[azgreg]

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/mass-deportation

Mass Deportation

Devastating Costs to America, Its Budget and Economy

Key Findings

• About 11 million undocumented immigrants lived in the United States as of 2022—3.3 percent of the country’s overall population. An additional 2.3 million removable immigrants were released into the United States between January 2023 and April 2024 and would also be targeted in any mass deportation operation.
• A one-time operation to deport these immigrants would cost at least $315 billion, broken down as follows:
  • The government would have to spend $89.3 billion to conduct sufficient arrests.
  • The government would have to spend $167.8 billion to detain immigrants en masse.
  • The government would have to spend $34.1 billion on legal processing.
  • The government would have to spend $24.1 billion on removals.
• Deporting one million immigrants per year would incur an annual cost of $88 billion, with the majority of that cost going towards building detention camps. It would take over ten years,  and the building of hundreds to thousands of new detention facilities, to arrest, detain, process, and remove all 13.3 million targeted immigrants—even assuming that 20 percent of that population would depart voluntarily during any multi-year mass deportation effort. The total cost over 10.6 years (assuming an annual inflation rate of 2.5 percent) would be $967.9 billion. The annual costs would break down as follows:
  • The government would have to spend an average of $7 billion per year to conduct one million arrests annually.
  • The government would have to spend an average of $66 billion per year to detain one million immigrants annually, or surveil them on alternatives to detention programs while detention capacity ramps up to one million.
  • The government would have to spend an average of $12.6 billion per year to carry out legal processing for an average of one million immigrants annually.
  • The government would have to spend an average of $2.1 billion per year to remove one million immigrants annually.
• To carry out over 13 million arrests in a short period of time would require somewhere between 220,000 and 409,000 new government employees and law enforcement officers, which would be nearly impossible given current hiring challenges across law enforcement agencies. Even carrying out one million at-large arrests per year would require ICE to hire over 30,000 new law enforcement agents and staff, instantly making it the largest law enforcement agency in the federal government.
• Mass deportation would exacerbate the U.S. labor shortage. In 2022, nearly 90 percent of undocumented immigrants were of working age, compared to 61.3 percent of the U.S.-born population aged between 16 and 64, making undocumented immigrants more likely to actively participate in the labor force. Losing these working-age undocumented immigrants would worsen the severe workforce challenges that many industries have already been struggling with in the past few years.
• Mass deportation would hurt several key U.S. industries that rely heavily on undocumented workers. The construction and agriculture industries would lose at least one in eight workers, while in hospitality, about one in 14 workers would be deported due to their undocumented status. Among those industries, certain trades would be hit even harder. Mass deportation would remove more than 30 percent of the workers in major construction trades, such as plasterers, roofers, and painters; nearly 28 percent of graders and sorters of agriculture products; and a fourth of all housekeeping cleaners.
• Among the deported would be 1 million undocumented immigrant entrepreneurs, who generated $27.1 billion in total business income in 2022. Losing the 157,800 undocumented immigrant entrepreneurs in neighborhood businesses would lead to disruptions to services that have become an integral part of community life and provide local jobs for Americans.
• The U.S. would lose out on key contributions undocumented households make to social safety net programs annually, including $22.6 billion to Social Security and $5.7 billion to Medicare. As the U.S. population ages, the loss of these payments would make it increasingly challenging to keep social safety net programs solvent.
• Mass deportation would deprive federal, state, and local governments of billions in local tax contributions from undocumented households. In 2022 alone, undocumented immigrant households paid $46.8 billion in federal taxes and $29.3 billion in state and local taxes. After taxes, they were left with $256.8 billion in spending power, money that could be spent in local communities.
• Deporting undocumented immigrants would separate 4 million mixed-status families, affecting 8.5 million U.S. citizens with undocumented family members (5.1 million of whom are U.S. citizen children). It would slash the income of their households by an average of 62.7 percent ($51,200 per year).
• Overall, mass deportation would lead to a loss of 4.2 percent to 6.8 percent of annual U.S. GDP, or $1.1 trillion to $1.7 trillion in 2022 dollars. In comparison, the U.S. GDP shrunk by 4.3 percent during the Great Recession between 2007 and 2009.
• The negative impact would be the most significant in California, Texas, and Florida, the three states that were home to 47.2 percent of the country's undocumented immigrants in 2022 and where one in every 20 residents would be deported.

 

[Madmartigan]

On 11/10/2024 at 10:33 AM, InnZoneU said:

Hispanic immigrants are valued parts of our community here in LA.  My dad has a housekeeper from El Salvador who is the nicest lady ever.  She makes fantastic Pupusas.  Probably illegal.  Don't care.

There's absolutely no way Trump is gonna send his goons out here to round up all the brown looking people.  Not gonna happen.

 

The fact that pupusas exist are a compelling argument for the existence of a higher power.