Liberal Tears Thread...

[InnZoneU]

On 11/13/2024 at 8:10 AM, AztecAlien said:

You can’t figure a lot things out. That's a given. 

 

Fuck me, you're drunk again already.  Please make it stop.

[AztecAlien]

On 11/13/2024 at 9:17 AM, InnZoneU said:

Fuck me, you're drunk again already.  Please make it stop.

Your sad attempts are becoming monotonous. Get new material. 

 

[RSF]

On 11/13/2024 at 10:10 AM, AztecAlien said:

You can’t figure a lot things out. That's a given. 

 

[InnZoneU]

On 11/13/2024 at 8:17 AM, mysfit said:

Under you account, the very last option on the drop down menu

Make sure you check all the boxes. Silence is bliss. 

Your name, account, ignored users

LOL TY.  Took a little work.  Thank god.

[AztecAlien]

On 11/13/2024 at 9:20 AM, InnZoneU said:

LOL TY.  Took a little work.  Thank god.

Bye. 

[happycamper]

On 11/11/2024 at 5:50 PM, Dogs4Me said:

So you’re saying that the only people capable of performing these jobs are illegals? Do they carry a unique skill set? Seriously, is it only illegal aliens from Latin American countries that can do these jobs?

without drastically inflating prices? yes

On 11/11/2024 at 5:50 PM, Dogs4Me said:

How are they more skilled and motivated versus our population of legal immigrants from those same regions?

what legal immigrants, lol? it would take ~8 years to replenish that 2 million number if 100% of all latin american and mexican immigrants went to work only in farms. if you assume a lot of them are women, or children, and a lot are going to work in construction or white collar industries, it's essentially never.

our immigration legal framework has not been built to handle our economic realities. the weird soviet turn the republicans are doing to enforce laws first before you look at reality is bizarre. 

On 11/11/2024 at 5:50 PM, Dogs4Me said:

Is there some requirement that only people of certain ethnic descent be allowed to take those jobs? All seems pretty racist and boxed in…I thought Dems were creative problem solvers? What happened to that creativity?

you're welcome to take them lol. but you can't find 100k people to work in convenience stores for 20 bucks an hour, not sure where you're going to find 2 million people to work in ag for 8 bucks an hour, no benefits, and seasonally. 

i'm not really looking forward to not having vegetables. but i guess you do you

[mysfit]

Google the state of Georgia"s attempt to eliminate undocumented workers. The farmers lost a lot of money with produce rotting in the fields because no one would do the work. The pay is low and it's hard.

Extrapolate that to the whole country and farmers, butchers, chicken producers are going to lose money there will be a shortage of product and prices will go sky high. And that's only some of the jobs dependent on undocumented workers. They do jobs no one WANTS or is WILLING to do. That's the Georgia lesson.

[mysfit]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/

"

Georgia’s experience is consistent with economic research on immigration. Although many Americans believe immigrants “steal” our jobs and push down our wages, economists find little evidence of that.

Since 1950 the U.S. labor force has roughly doubled in size, but there has been no long-run increase in unemployment. Most economic studies also find little evidence that increased immigration depresses the wages of U.S. workers.  At worst, it might push down the wages of high school dropouts, but even there the effect is small.

 

Simple supply and demand analysis would seem to indicate if you increase the supply of labor, wages will decline. But immigrants don’t simply increase the supply of labor. They supply skills that most Americans don’t have. As such, they don’t replace American workers so much as free them up to do other, typically more-skilled, things. This symbiotic relationship benefits immigrants and native-born alike."

 

[Dogs4Me]

On 11/13/2024 at 6:12 AM, Spaztecs said:

You know any whites  that are going to clean those toilets ?

Yer an idjit.

What does ones skin pigmentation have to do with cleaning a toilet?

[Spaztecs]

On 11/13/2024 at 10:50 AM, Dogs4Me said:

What does ones skin pigmentation have to do with cleaning a toilet?

 

The majority of people who do those jobs are non-white immigrants. There is a correlation.  Who's going to do those jobs ?

[stanfordchef]

On 11/13/2024 at 6:12 AM, Spaztecs said:

You know any whites  that are going to clean those toilets ?

Yer an idjit.

My ex cleaned shitters at Trump Tower after graduating law school at the peak of COVID as her job offer got delayed. She was pretty white. 
 

but yes that’s the wild exception to the general rule here. 

[Dogs4Me]

On 11/13/2024 at 8:46 AM, happycamper said:

without drastically inflating prices? yes

what legal immigrants, lol? it would take ~8 years to replenish that 2 million number if 100% of all latin american and mexican immigrants went to work only in farms. if you assume a lot of them are women, or children, and a lot are going to work in construction or white collar industries, it's essentially never.

our immigration legal framework has not been built to handle our economic realities. the weird soviet turn the republicans are doing to enforce laws first before you look at reality is bizarre. 

you're welcome to take them lol. but you can't find 100k people to work in convenience stores for 20 bucks an hour, not sure where you're going to find 2 million people to work in ag for 8 bucks an hour, no benefits, and seasonally. 

i'm not really looking forward to not having vegetables. but i guess you do you

In summary, your take is that Americans are not willing to work hard and the jobs noted are of no interest to Americans? If that’s the case, we’re already lost as a country…

[stanfordchef]

On 11/13/2024 at 10:02 AM, Dogs4Me said:

In summary, your take is that Americans are not willing to work hard and the jobs noted are of no interest to Americans? If that’s the case, we’re already lost as a country…

Not for the wages paid for those positions currently. No native born person is picking turnips or working in a poultry factory for 8 dollars an hour

[Dogs4Me]

On 11/13/2024 at 9:53 AM, Spaztecs said:

 

The majority of people who do those jobs are non-white immigrants. There is a correlation.  Who's going to do those jobs ?

I guess I’m built different. Several of my jobs getting me through college were labor intensive…I did well work which is labor, worked in cotton gins, retail, summer work for the county. None of it was a job that I aspired to as a career, but each was a means to achieving a goal. Who is stating that any of those jobs are final destinations for those filling them?

[Dogs4Me]

On 11/13/2024 at 10:05 AM, stanfordchef said:

Not for the wages paid for those positions currently. No native born person is picking turnips or working in a poultry factory for 8 dollars an hour

Doing shit jobs and the GI Bill is how I earned my way through college…this despite my family being fairly wealthy on both sides. I was told to go earn it and I have no shame that I did those shit jobs.

[happycamper]

On 11/13/2024 at 1:02 PM, Dogs4Me said:

In summary, your take is that Americans are not willing to work hard and the jobs noted are of no interest to Americans? If that’s the case, we’re already lost as a country…

My take is that there are plenty of easier jobs that pay a lot better for Americans. Nobody is going to work 72 hours a week for no overtime and 10 bucks an hour that requires you moving 8 times a year when they can make the same amount working 30 hours at Wal Mart or way more working at Bucees or in n out. 

My take furthermore is that we built our economy this way deliberately. It worked out for a long time. Migrant workers got a lot of money they could send home. Americans got effectively subsidized food and housing. American small businesses got access to cheap labor so they could grow. Hell in a lot of cases, the kids and grandkids of the original migrant workers grew into the businesses that relied on new cheap labor.

Now we're throwing a shitfit about why we're so rich for... what? Dogs to get Americans to do the work that migrant workers are doing now, you're going to see grocery store prices more than double. Furthermore, you're not going to be able to get 2 million americans to pick this up in a year. Crops are going to rot in the fields. You're going to see housing prices raise too; I wouldn't be shocked if it would fully get us away from light framed construction. So, uh, congrats. You took the inflation complaints from 2 years ago and made them WAY worse. 

[happycamper]

On 11/13/2024 at 1:07 PM, Dogs4Me said:

I guess I’m built different. Several of my jobs getting me through college were labor intensive…I did well work which is labor, worked in cotton gins, retail, summer work for the county. None of it was a job that I aspired to as a career, but each was a means to achieving a goal. Who is stating that any of those jobs are final destinations for those filling them?

 

On 11/13/2024 at 1:10 PM, Dogs4Me said:

Doing shit jobs and the GI Bill is how I earned my way through college…this despite my family being fairly wealthy on both sides. I was told to go earn it and I have no shame that I did those shit jobs.

you're not built different lol. everyone has done hard jobs. but you're not still doing them. you didn't say "ya know what 8 bucks an hour for backbreaking labor and also no ability to take benefits is good enough for me".

and that's what we would need you to do. 

[RSF]

On 11/13/2024 at 12:02 PM, Dogs4Me said:

In summary, your take is that Americans are not willing to work hard and the jobs noted are of no interest to Americans? If that’s the case, we’re already lost as a country…

Then we were lost more than 60 years ago.  Migrants have been harvesting your food for decades.

[stanfordchef]

On 11/13/2024 at 10:10 AM, Dogs4Me said:

Doing shit jobs and the GI Bill is how I earned my way through college…this despite my family being fairly wealthy on both sides. I was told to go earn it and I have no shame that I did those shit jobs.

I worked on a ranch for years but generally toiled all hours of the day because it was my ranch. I wouldn’t expect any native born person would be signing up for that at 8 or even 10 an hour. 
 

besides even if I could find local teens or town drunk ne’erdowells to work at that price point…how well are they actually going to do anything? It’d likely cause more problems than it’d solve. 

[Spaztecs]

On 11/13/2024 at 11:07 AM, Dogs4Me said:

I guess I’m built different. Several of my jobs getting me through college were labor intensive…I did well work which is labor, worked in cotton gins, retail, summer work for the county. None of it was a job that I aspired to as a career, but each was a means to achieving a goal. Who is stating that any of those jobs are final destinations for those filling them?

You are one of the few.

Most won't. Whether it's the lousy wages, shitty work conditions, or it's beneath them.

Quit acting innocent and that those realities don't exist. You are quite naive.