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On 12/11/2024 at 5:12 PM, UNLV2001 said:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5987163/2024/12/11/west-coast-conference-grand-canyon-lawsuit/

West Coast Conference suing Grand Canyon over breach of contract in Mountain West move

The West Coast Conference is suing Grand Canyon University over a breach of contract, the conference announced Wednesday.

The conference said Grand Canyon refused to pay its entrance and withdrawal fees, which were each due within 30 days of its withdrawal notice. Grand Canyon announced in May it would join the West Coast Conference in 2025. The school then announced in November it would instead join the Mountain West Conference in 2026.

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On 12/11/2024 at 9:22 PM, Brew_Poke said:

Refugees? That doesn't make any fucking sense. You're the ones who left home. Up your weak ass smack game.

Would you prefer left overs ?

Left behinds ?

or the Mountain Last ?

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SalinasSpartan Advanced Member

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With the GCU thing I’m thinking it’s probably a case where there is not a lot of incentive to just pay the fees. When a school is actually in a conference that conference physically controls the revenue distribution, so the conference has far more leverage.
 

With GCU, the WCC has no mechanism to “force” GCU to give them the money. GCU probably figured they can, at worst, figuratively toss the money in escrow and let it collect interest, drag out the legal proceedings, and if they save a few 100K, great.

 

If not, whatever, see if they can pay it off in installments. Then the rest of the money will still be collecting interest as they pay the amount down. Plus however many million paid over 2025-2029 is naturally less valuable due to inflation than a lump sum in 2024.

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On 12/11/2024 at 11:20 PM, idkk said:

You do know that the exit fees are based on total conference distribution and not just TV deal money, right? That includes TV money, NCAA tourney units, yearly CFP G5 payout, sponsorships, etc.

Yes 

All of which will decrease in the three years leading up to 2032.

The media deal will be a nominal increase in revenue, however 2/3 of the exit fees will be paid by 2026 with the balance being spread out over ten years. Same with the poaching fees. Your post season revenue will decrease as will the NCAAT credits earned by the former MW Schools. Ergo, the exit fees decrease based on the last three years of reduced revenue.

Most don't realize, but the MW left overs get their first exit fees checks in June of 2025. 

 

Pay Day Money GIF by Originals

Spaztecs Advanced Member

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On 12/11/2024 at 11:34 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

Newsflash, everybody here knows a big realignment wave is coming in 5 or so years. Could UNLV and AFA leave? Yes, absolutely. They may be leaving to the Pac to replace you guys. Or Boise, or whoever else because some schools in the Pac will be leaving too. The lineup of every FBS conference in 2032 will be different than it will be in 2026. Pretty sure the vast majority of posters here already know this.

Which is why the MW is positioning itself now.

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On 12/11/2024 at 11:22 PM, Spaztecs said:

@Brew_Poke

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Seriously ?

Even if UNLV finally lives up to it's long term potential, the Pac is still a better FB Conference. Look at the history and investment.

The NPAC is "that conference Boise and Gonzaga play in".

Fresno is broke and just made a "meh" hire.  SDSU has returned to being SDSU.  WOSU are already suffering and in just 1 year became MWC average.  USU is USU.

Outside Boise I don't see a huge gap.

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idkk Advanced Member

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On 12/11/2024 at 10:50 PM, Spaztecs said:

Yes 

All of which will decrease in the three years leading up to 2032.

The media deal will be a nominal increase in revenue, however 2/3 of the exit fees will be paid by 2026 with the balance being spread out over ten years. Same with the poaching fees. Your post season revenue will decrease as will the NCAAT credits earned by the former MW Schools. Ergo, the exit fees decrease based on the last three years of reduced revenue.

Most don't realize, but the MW left overs get their first exit fees checks in June of 2025. 

 

Pay Day Money GIF by Originals

TV isn't going down since the conference would cover the difference, so still $3.5M at worst. NCAA tourney units are paid out over a six year cycle, so all the units from last few years are included plus '24 and '25 (then as time goes on the older stuff will drop off). CFP payout per school doesn't change (set to actually increase in 2026).

Exit fees are based on conference distribution of the previous year, BTW. What changes is the multiple (i.e. 3x), which is based on how much notice teams give the conference.

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On 12/11/2024 at 10:41 PM, Spaztecs said:

Would you prefer left overs ?

Left behinds ?

or the Mountain Last ?

Pretty sure the PAC and MWC are all left behinds moving chairs on the titanic

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son of a gun Advanced Member

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NIU by itself is such an odd move. They're not terrible, but they're not dominant in the MAC either. Not to mention they're nearly as much of an outlier as Hawaii is, but Hawaii at least has an ocean as an excuse.

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On 12/12/2024 at 9:32 AM, son of a gun said:

NIU by itself is such an odd move. They're not terrible, but they're not dominant in the MAC either. Not to mention they're nearly as much of an outlier as Hawaii is, but Hawaii at least has an ocean as an excuse.

NDSU and NIU are not that different in distance from the MWC and NIU is easier to get to.  Although Football would charter to either

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On 12/12/2024 at 9:32 AM, son of a gun said:

NIU by itself is such an odd move. They're not terrible, but they're not dominant in the MAC either. Not to mention they're nearly as much of an outlier as Hawaii is, but Hawaii at least has an ocean as an excuse.

I admit that I would have never thought of NIU as an expansion target. But for a football only school being an “outlier” just doesn’t matter all that much.
 

Plus I think there is somewhat of a misconception about how NIU fits in the MAC geographically. You look on a map, and hey, all the states touch so they must be super close to everybody! But in reality the MAC is almost completely made up of OH and MI schools that NIU is probably flying to anyway, and if they aren’t those are some long ass bus rides. 

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On 12/11/2024 at 5:49 PM, CV147 said:

Is Northern Illinois coming To the MWC? I have not seen anything yet, going on plus 24 hours from the initial announcement.

Let's hope not.

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KingSpartan Advanced Member

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It's football only and the MW wouldn't be talking to them if they didn't add value to TV money. I still think there's room for 1 more full time member.

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This thread.

nPac 12 fans..." our commish knows what she is doing. the MWC is rubbish!"

MWC fans... " our commish knows what she is doing. the nPac12 is rubbish!"

Boise fans... "we are the greatest!"

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On 12/12/2024 at 11:13 AM, KingSpartan said:

It's football only and the MW wouldn't be talking to them if they didn't add value to TV money. I still think there's room for 1 more full time member.

Just bring in NMSU and be done with it. Do that and then maybe I can stomach adding Northern Illinois.

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On 12/12/2024 at 10:23 AM, sean327 said:

Just bring in NMSU and be done with it. Do that and then maybe I can stomach adding Northern Illinois.

That may very well be the plan, but I've noticed that Gloria has been very good about keeping discussions quiet.

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