MWC Expansion Candidates

[UNLV2001]

On 10/23/2024 at 12:39 PM, OrediggerPoke said:

Why add anyone simply to add? The MWC has 8 full time members committed until 2031. 

Makes an even 8 game conference schedule is main thought 

Plus NMSU is a geographical fit and BB can be pretty decent 

[HawaiiMongoose]

On 10/23/2024 at 9:45 AM, jdgaucho said:

GCU would be a great add. I've been high on them for years. Location is right, the arena size is right. They're new money for a new era.

The MW would be closer to sponsoring men's soccer with GCU, Air Force, UNLV and SJSU. Only need two more members for it. Bring in OSU, SDSU, Gonzaga and Sac State as affiliates and MWC men's soccer is born.

As an reminder for @HawaiiMongoose, GCU also sponsors men's volleyball and beach volleyball. They can trade places with UH in those sports if needed.

 

Or just play those sports in the MPSF going forward, which is GCU's current plan.

[Brew_Poke]

On 10/23/2024 at 1:18 PM, KingSpartan said:

Would we all feel different about Idaho if they had an outdoor football stadium?

Yes.

[OrediggerPoke]

On 10/23/2024 at 1:46 PM, UNLV2001 said:

Makes an even 8 game conference schedule is main thought 

Plus NMSU is a geographical fit and BB can be pretty decent 

NMSU’a basketball program is a mess and recently saw coaches hiding a gun used in the commission of a shooting and administration turning a blind eye to sexual assaults on freshman players as a form of ‘initiation.’

I see no value in them until they prove they are capable of running a serious program.   

[jdgaucho]

On 10/23/2024 at 12:49 PM, HawaiiMongoose said:

Or just play those sports in the MPSF going forward, which is GCU's current plan.

 

Because I'm sure USC, UCLA and Stanford (and BYU) want to keep aligning with GCU in any fashion 

[CO_Reb]

The MWC needs to replace bball tourney credits that were lost with the PAC. This is one way of doing that. It's whatever, not like the MWC has a lot of options. Beggers can't be choosers. 

If hope that the MWC goes after St.Marys first if they want to add bball only, but if we can't get Texas State or Sam Houston State, then we ain't getting St. Mary's.

[OrediggerPoke]

On 10/23/2024 at 2:13 PM, CO_Reb said:

The MWC needs to replace bball tourney credits that were lost with the PAC. This is one way of doing that. It's whatever, not like the MWC has a lot of options. Beggers can't be choosers 

What? All the earned basketball credits stay with the conference.  Nothing is being lost to the PAC other than teams who might make future tournaments.  

[SalinasSpartan]

On 10/23/2024 at 12:27 PM, nvspuds said:

GCU does not sponsor football so they would be an affiliate member.

Dude, no. They would be a full member that doesn’t sponsor football. Just like Wyoming is a full member that doesn’t sponsor baseball.

[CoachKenFTW]

GCU would fit in well with all the other podunk schools in the WAC 12.

 

[CO_Reb]

On 10/23/2024 at 2:18 PM, OrediggerPoke said:

What? All the earned basketball credits stay with the conference.  Nothing is being lost to the PAC other than teams who might make future tournaments.  

I worded it wrong. I was talking about future tourney credits.

[OrediggerPoke]

On 10/23/2024 at 2:23 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

Dude, no. They would be a full member that doesn’t sponsor football. Just like Wyoming is a full member that doesn’t sponsor baseball.

That’s actually not how the bylaws work.  The bylaws allow for the classification of ‘members’ and ‘affiliate members’ with differing rights.  Would come down to the offers being extended to the various schools and then approved by 3/4 of voting members.  
 

While Hawaii was a ‘member,’ its previous agreement actually restricted it to only having a vote on football matters. It now has a full vote.   

[OrediggerPoke]

On 10/23/2024 at 2:32 PM, CO_Reb said:

I worded it wrong. I was talking about future tourney credits.

Any credits earned until the schools leave belong to the MWC.  It’s pure conjecture to guess how those departing schools perform in basketball in the future.  Do you really believe Grand Canyon would have made 3 out of 4 ncaa tournaments if it was playing in the MWC rather than being in a watered down WAC with an auto bid?

[jdgaucho]

On 10/23/2024 at 1:35 PM, OrediggerPoke said:

Any credits earned until the schools leave belong to the MWC.  It’s pure conjecture to guess how those departing schools perform in basketball in the future.  Do you really believe Grand Canyon would have made 3 out of 4 ncaa tournaments if it was playing in the MWC rather than being in a watered down WAC with an auto bid?

 

Maybe not 3, but certainly 2. They beat SDSU last year.

[CO_Reb]

The also beat St. Mary's in the tourney. They have a good basketball team.

[OrediggerPoke]

On 10/23/2024 at 2:46 PM, jdgaucho said:

 

Maybe not 3, but certainly 2. They beat SDSU last year.

Last year was the only year they would have been at large material. And they still lost during the season to the likes of Seattle U, Turd State and Abilene Christian.  

[nvspuds]

On 10/23/2024 at 1:23 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

Dude, no. They would be a full member that doesn’t sponsor football. Just like Wyoming is a full member that doesn’t sponsor baseball.

Dude?  I am old enough to be your father.  The by laws requirement to be a  member of the MW is football.  GCU would be like Colorado College.  That doesn't mean they wouldn't get a nice cut of the pie.

[SalinasSpartan]

On 10/23/2024 at 1:33 PM, OrediggerPoke said:

That’s actually not how the bylaws work.  The bylaws allow for the classification of ‘members’ and ‘affiliate members’ with differing rights.  Would come down to the offers being extended to the various schools and then approved by 3/4 of voting members.  
 

While Hawaii was a ‘member,’ its previous agreement actually restricted it to only having a vote on football matters. It now has a full vote.   

Fair enough, the MWC is free to classify members as they see fit. But in the plain meaning of the terms, GCU would absolutely be a full member of the MWC in that they would play in the MWC in every sport the MWC sponsors where they field a team. Whereas affiliates are generally understood to be schools that only join conferences for specific sports.
 

It is why Hawaii was widely reported as becoming a “full member” of the MWC this month, despite already having limited voting rights. Literally everybody here also described it that way. I don’t recall anybody getting up-in-arms at that description of what transpired because I think we all understand what a “full” member of a conference is, regardless of whether the school has voting rights.

edit: added limited before voting rights 

[SalinasSpartan]

On 10/23/2024 at 2:23 PM, nvspuds said:

Dude?  I am old enough to be your father.  The by laws requirement to be a  member of the MW is football.  GCU would be like Colorado College.  That doesn't mean they wouldn't get a nice cut of the pie.

Dude, bylaws can be changed. And dude, no they wouldn’t be like Colorado College. They would be joining in all the sports they field that the MWC sponsors. And finally, dude, I don’t even support GCU being added, I’m just agnostic about it. 

[The Barber]

On 10/23/2024 at 12:39 PM, OrediggerPoke said:

Why add anyone simply to add? The MWC has 8 full time members committed until 2031. 

My guess is TV contracts, having enough schools to complete a basketball schedule, and having enough schools for sports like baseball.

[The Barber]

If you only have 8 schools in the conference, isn't that only enough schools for a 14 game conference basketball schedule?

Most conferences are moving to an 18-game conference basketball schedule.