NevadaFan- Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 As the midgets continue to wrestle, the SEC and BIG look at a scheduling alliance. The middle tier is coming into focus. Quote
Spaztecs Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 11:20 AM, The Brent Vigen Diet said: You are fired up today. I would argue in football, giving all respect to your basketball which is top notch, SDSU has underwhelmed considering the amount of money you have invested. You have had success but you still have the down cycle years that normal mid level G5 programs have in spite of having one of the largest G5 athletic budgets. That is correct. They are in the midst of a FB down cycle. It hurts. Our programs are actually quite similar in how they have achieved Sporting success. Both got caught with their pants down when the Portal became a revolving door. They were and will always lag when it comes to NIL. They were able to compete because they had just enough NIL to keep kids around for one more season and the one transfer rules locked in a good part of your rotation. SDSU's Final Four squad came back for one more shot. They knew as a Team they were better than they showed the previous year. A couple opted into their fifth season. A couple more were locked in by the Portal, and a couple more were Aztecs for Life. Who then left the next season. The rules changed the following season. The NIL cash is to life changing, even if for a year, to refuse. The FB squad for three years was getting $2,5000 per roster spot. From one donor. Our best players left. Fast. Our BB squad averaged $30,000 for 15 spots some got more based on status. Starters, rotation players, practice squad guys got less. That's why our roster departed in the off season. It's also why we didn't get the transfers we wanted. We had a kid from Rutgers who filled the bill as as long rim protector and rebounder. He visited. Was all in. Loved the Coaching Staff, the philosophy, the School, it had the post grad program he wanted, his teammates, the opportunity to make a deep NCAAT run, the whole shebang. SDSU was the fourth of five Schools he visited. His last visit was BYU who threw a shit ton of cash at him. You know where he went. Our NIL is getting better. But, it will never be near the top of whatever Conference they are in. 1 1 Quote
NorCalCoug Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 11:06 AM, Spaztecs said: They will when they get picked apart by the bigger lions. OK, so that won’t happen in your mind if the BigXII takes PAC schools? Sounds desperate to me. The BigXII has 16 schools. The bigger lions won’t have interest in more than a small handful MAX. The BigXII will be just fine. You should save your concerns for the PAC. 1 Quote
UNLV2001 Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 10:58 AM, NorCalCoug said: OK, so that won’t happen in your mind if the BigXII takes PAC schools? Sounds desperate to me. The BigXII has 16 schools. The bigger lions won’t have interest in more than a small handful MAX. The BigXII will be just fine. You should save your concerns for the PAC. The B12 might escape any damage if the top tier of FB programs align in a super division -- The B12 has some nice programs but there's no 'elite' FB programs that are must haves for any SEC/B10 merge --- Might happen if the SEC/B10 opt to leave some of their dead weight behind & trade Vandy for some B12 or similar move If the top tier breaks off, then the B12 ACC leftovers will have the option to form some 2nd tier level if they want by merging some of what might be best of the B12/ACC/MWC/PAC -- But the real strength could be the B12 basketball potential which would be top tier I think there's going to be at least 3 levels of current D-1 programs broken into separate levels that could possibly all be somewhat their own enclosed entities...........with the way the powers are consolidating, not sure there's going to be options for the lower levels to even get games with the major powers .............there's not TV value in seeing a MWC/PAC/MAC go play an SEC/B10 team The current FBS, FCS, D-II, D-III will be broken down to more separate levels Quote
spc_ops Posted October 24, 2024 Author Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 10:00 AM, Iam4wyo said: This schedule is hilarious! But hey, fuck 'em! What's Hillarious about it? That's a great schedule actually. Maybe playing WSU twice is what you're referring to? I think that's a great idea for the PAC2 championship. 2 1 1 1 Quote
I Eat Babies Posted October 25, 2024 Posted October 25, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 1:05 PM, Spaztecs said: It's a last resort for the Pac to make their nut. The AAC desirables will join in 2027 when their exit fees come down. Exit fees stay the same. It’s all about notice, which doesn’t change. Either one year or two+ year notice. Number is the same whether it’s initiated now or in 3 years so long as the notice is the same. Also, no aac school is leaving for the pac. Quote
Spaztecs Posted October 25, 2024 Posted October 25, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 11:58 AM, NorCalCoug said: OK, so that won’t happen in your mind if the BigXII takes PAC schools? Sounds desperate to me. The BigXII has 16 schools. The bigger lions won’t have interest in more than a small handful MAX. The BigXII will be just fine. You should save your concerns for the PAC. I never said nor insinuated the Big XII would be in trouble. I am stating that if current XII members do get the call up. Schools in the Pac will not only be under consideration, but will probably move up. It's not that hard to understand or get upset about. Quote
Spaztecs Posted October 25, 2024 Posted October 25, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 8:18 PM, I Eat Babies said: Exit fees stay the same. It’s all about notice, which doesn’t change. Either one year or two+ year notice. Number is the same whether it’s initiated now or in 3 years so long as the notice is the same. Also, no aac school is leaving for the pac. Actually it is a twenty seven months notice. In order to join for the 2027-2028 Academic Year, AAC Schools need to notify the League of it's departure by March 30, 2025. The exit fee is only $10 mil. If they want to join for 2026, the fee is $24 mil. https://www.sportskeeda.com/college-football/news-what-exit-fee-aac-mwc-conferences-analyzing-options-pac-12-hoping-to-rebuild-the-pac Quote
I Eat Babies Posted October 25, 2024 Posted October 25, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 11:56 PM, Spaztecs said: Actually it is a twenty seven months notice. In order to join for the 2027-2028 Academic Year, AAC Schools need to notify the League of it's departure by March 30, 2025. The exit fee is only $10 mil. If they want to join for 2026, the fee is $24 mil. https://www.sportskeeda.com/college-football/news-what-exit-fee-aac-mwc-conferences-analyzing-options-pac-12-hoping-to-rebuild-the-pac 27 months = 2+ year notice right? Why are you acting like you’re correcting something? We’ve established the difference in buyout relative to notice. You’re just word salading what I said. The buyout will not go down, it’ll either be a one year or two+ buyout…still. Waiting does nothing as another year will pass putting us in the same situation just a year later. All this is moot as no aac program is moving over. 1 1 Quote
I Eat Babies Posted October 25, 2024 Posted October 25, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 11:47 PM, Spaztecs said: I never said nor insinuated the Big XII would be in trouble. I am stating that if current XII members do get the call up. Schools in the Pac will not only be under consideration, but will probably move up. It's not that hard to understand or get upset about. If the big 12 loses schools to sec/big10 they will eventually backfill from the acc, as they will get raided before the big 12 and have more valuable schools. The PAC is still effectively dead and no school with any hope of the p4 is coming from there or going to there. Please understand and move on, theres plenty to discuss that doesn’t involve impossible scenarios like that. 1 Quote
UtGrizfan Posted October 25, 2024 Posted October 25, 2024 I do think the PAC have already made a few really bad mistakes: -Low ball offers to the AAC schools, should have only invited 2 at most if cash was that big of an issue and even then should have offered more. -Not including UNLV in the initial discussions with the other original 4 defectors. Makes 0 sense why they wouldn't want the Vegas market with FB on an upswing and traditionally good Basketball. At this point they're pretty limited on what they can do but I think they should pursue the following options in order: -Throw as much $$ as you can, help with travel etc. at just Memphis. If you get Memphis it's almost garunteed other AAC programs would follow eventually, perhaps just not in 2026 -Same as above but targetting the following AAC programs: Tulane, UTSA, UNT -After that as other people have mentioned go after Texas State due to their potential and upside. -Absolute last resort Sac State, gets you another team in a large market, I feel if they have to go with this scenario will be a other black eye on the Conference but they will have survived. Quote
Spaztecs Posted October 25, 2024 Posted October 25, 2024 On 10/25/2024 at 12:54 AM, I Eat Babies said: 27 months = 2+ year notice right? Why are you acting like you’re correcting something? We’ve established the difference in buyout relative to notice. You’re just word salading what I said. The buyout will not go down, it’ll either be a one year or two+ buyout…still. Waiting does nothing as another year will pass putting us in the same situation just a year later. All this is moot as no aac program is moving over. Living in a self created fantasy world ? My so called word salad is more your inability to read read and comprehend. Especially since it counters your doomsday scenario Read the phucking article. If a School leaves with less than 27 months notice the exit fee is $24 mil. If they give proper notice, the fee is only 10 mil. Memphis and the Pac are still in discussions which are temporarily on hold while the Pac is getting some solid numbers. Memphis fans with Garry Parrish running point want out of this watered down version of the AAC. Memphis officials want more hard data and time. It will happen. Just not on your time table. But hey, you keep doing you and keep living in your world of MW denial. Quote
Chalsean Posted October 25, 2024 Posted October 25, 2024 On 10/25/2024 at 4:55 AM, UtGrizfan said: I do think the PAC have already made a few really bad mistakes: -Not including UNLV in the initial discussions with the other original 4 defectors. Makes 0 sense why they wouldn't want the Vegas market with FB on an upswing and traditionally good Basketball. There have been mistakes made, no doubt. However not inviting UNLV in the original 4 was not one of them. Its common knowledge that discussions with UNLV would have made the whole thing public. Now I don't know why it needed to be so secretive but I'm also not in the middle of it with all the info. If 6 universities felt secrecy was that important, it probably was. Also to point out, they do want Vegas market. UNLV pretty much had an open invitation with USU and turned it down. Tried to get the PAC to pay as much as MWC was for them. I suspect PAC felt that money would be better spent getting Memphis, which is a domino piece. 2 Quote
Rebel_Alliance Posted October 25, 2024 Posted October 25, 2024 On 10/25/2024 at 1:58 AM, I Eat Babies said: If the big 12 loses schools to sec/big10 they will eventually backfill from the acc, as they will get raided before the big 12 and have more valuable schools. The PAC is still effectively dead and no school with any hope of the p4 is coming from there or going to there. Please understand and move on, theres plenty to discuss that doesn’t involve impossible scenarios like that. I don't know about the SEC, but there's nobody in the B12 that the B1G would want. They'll look to the ACC for any future additions. Quote
B_Lootz Posted October 25, 2024 Posted October 25, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 11:33 AM, InnZoneU said: ULL is the only weak one. Sam Houston is solid. Wake is solid. Tulsa is solid. All at least decent teams, not a flat track bully scenario. Not sure what's going on with the 2 Wazzu games, that's weird. It isn’t Louisiana (Lafayette.. ULL). It’s FCS Lafayette from the Patriot League. Sam Houston and Tulsa are not solid. This is definitely a non-P4 indy schedule similar to those of BYU in recent years. 1 Quote
B_Lootz Posted October 25, 2024 Posted October 25, 2024 On 10/25/2024 at 4:55 AM, UtGrizfan said: I do think the PAC have already made a few really bad mistakes: -Low ball offers to the AAC schools, should have only invited 2 at most if cash was that big of an issue and even then should have offered more. -Not including UNLV in the initial discussions with the other original 4 defectors. Makes 0 sense why they wouldn't want the Vegas market with FB on an upswing and traditionally good Basketball. At this point they're pretty limited on what they can do but I think they should pursue the following options in order: -Throw as much $$ as you can, help with travel etc. at just Memphis. If you get Memphis it's almost garunteed other AAC programs would follow eventually, perhaps just not in 2026 -Same as above but targetting the following AAC programs: Tulane, UTSA, UNT -After that as other people have mentioned go after Texas State due to their potential and upside. -Absolute last resort Sac State, gets you another team in a large market, I feel if they have to go with this scenario will be a other black eye on the Conference but they will have survived. You forgot to add to this list: - They actually took Utah State - They sold their souls to Gonzaga and gave them a full share on the hope that they will continue their success, even after Few retires which will be soon. A gamble, imo. Quote
InnZoneU Posted October 25, 2024 Posted October 25, 2024 On 10/25/2024 at 10:18 AM, B_Lootz said: It isn’t Louisiana (Lafayette.. ULL). It’s FCS Lafayette from the Patriot League. Sam Houston and Tulsa are not solid. This is definitely a non-P4 indy schedule similar to those of BYU in recent years. LMFAO Quote
InnZoneU Posted October 25, 2024 Posted October 25, 2024 On 10/25/2024 at 10:23 AM, B_Lootz said: You forgot to add to this list: - They actually took Utah State - They sold their souls to Gonzaga and gave them a full share on the hope that they will continue their success, even after Few retires which will be soon. A big gamble, imo. You need to retire from posting bro. Quote
MissionTrails Posted October 25, 2024 Posted October 25, 2024 On 10/25/2024 at 10:23 AM, B_Lootz said: You forgot to add to this list: - They actually took Utah State - They sold their souls to Gonzaga and gave them a full share on the hope that they will continue their success, even after Few retires which will be soon. A gamble, imo. Zags aren't getting a full share. 1 Quote
NorCalCoug Posted October 25, 2024 Posted October 25, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 9:47 PM, Spaztecs said: I never said nor insinuated the Big XII would be in trouble. I am stating that if current XII members do get the call up. Schools in the Pac will not only be under consideration, but will probably move up. It's not that hard to understand or get upset about. There won’t be any movement until something happens with the ACC. At that point ACC schools will get the call long before any PAC schools. It’s a long shot at best for PAC schools. Dream on. Quote
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