spc_ops Posted October 24, 2024 Author Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/23/2024 at 5:59 PM, Chalsean said: GoR has not been signed yet Whereas, by execution of this MOU, the Conference and the Member Institutions agree to work cooperatively in the preparation of the formal Grant of Rights Agreement as set out below; The parties here to express the following understanding: 1.The “Term” of this Agreement shall begin on July 1, 2026 and shall continue until June 30, 2032. The “Effective Date” means the date when this Agreement is signed by duly authorized representatives of the Conference, Air Force, UNLV, and at least four of the other five Member Institutions. Quote
Spaztecs Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/23/2024 at 9:18 AM, Chalsean said: We're not really targeting the same schools, so I don't see how/why MWC needs to respond to anything PAC does. Sac State and GCU have targeted both simply because the Pac said no thanks. Quote
Spaztecs Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/23/2024 at 10:29 AM, The Brent Vigen Diet said: Number of quality football programs at any given time. Every program outside of Boise cycles down years. USU and SDSU are down this year and CSU has been hot garbage for the last decade. You can’t tell me adding Texas ST is better quality than if there was a full merger. I get the extra media money, but from a pure quality standpoint, it’s not better unless you poach AAC What part of the Pac taking the top end MW Schools do you not understand ? Outside of CSU, all have good FB and BB programs So, the PAC adds are having a down year or two. Like you said, they will rise to the top again. All three Schools have had a tough time adjusting to the new NIL and open door Portal era simply because they were behind the 8 ball when the free for all began. They also had old School Ball Coaches who couldn't or wouldn't adapt to the new world. Those issues will be dealt with in the next couple years and guess which programs will quickly be back on top ? The only questionable add was USU. And that's only because UNLV wanted to be the mightiest of the Midgets. Had the Rebs said yes, AFA and USU would be gone as well. Quote
The Brent Vigen Diet Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 10:29 AM, Spaztecs said: What part of the Pac taking the top end MW Schools do you not understand ? I don’t think you understand my point. If the PAC can’t poach any AAC schools, then it’s a weaker conference in actual on field football product than a full merger would be. You also didn’t take the top football schools, you took the 4 programs with the most media value and Utah State was taken as leverage. If you don’t believe that CSU has not been a top 4 football program in the mountain west over the past decade, then please look up their record. Quote
Spaztecs Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/23/2024 at 11:18 AM, SalinasSpartan said: The MWC does not need to respond to the Pac, I meant the MWC can respond to the new situation that will exist after the Pac makes their move. Sure, the MWC and Pac generally are not “targeting the same schools” (though at the very least in the case of Texas State, yes they are). But so long as the possibility of a Pac invite exists, some schools that the MWC may have interest in will simply not make join the MWC and close the door on a potential Pac invite. Whether or not they have a good shot at a Pac invite isn’t really relevant. Take Sac State, for example. They PRETTY CLEARLY want a Pac invite, so I seriously doubt they would accept a MWC invite while they believed a Pac invite was at least possible. But once the Pac makes their moves and if Sac State is not included in those moves, I am guessing they would suddenly be much more open to a move to the MWC. I am guessing there are other schools that view things the same way and would not want to commit to the MWC until they know a Pac invite is not coming. Because ultimately the Pac will get more TV money so every potential candidate is going to prefer a Pac invite to a MWC invite. UTEP was just a unique school that clearly wanted to be in the MWC, was a good fit in the MWC from the MWC’s perspective and had the self awareness to know there was no way a Pac invite was coming. So yea, because of all that shit it makes sense for the MWC to wait until the Pac finishes up. Then they can assess the landscape in terms of what schools are available and decide IF they want to add any more schools and IF they do, they can negotiate with those schools from a position of strength. Outside of a couple Wyoming fans, every MW-Pac Schools is going to be where they want to be in 2026. UH got full Membership without the travel subs. Sparty is now at the top end of a Conference and will be able to pay for those IKEA seats to complete their Stadium arrangement. UNR wants to be with UNLV. UNLV gets to be the cash cow and the mightiest midget. AFA might prefer the AAC, but money talks. UW gets to be more competitive in both Sports and gets a cash infusion. UNM the same and they get UTEP back UTEP has always wanted to be with the Front Rangers. Everybody in the Pac wanted more money and to be in a better Conference. The four PNW Schools hit a walk-off homer because of the bus league regionality they have. SDSU finally gets away from the Front Range. Fresno is happy. They make more money, which they desperately need. CSU - the same USU was grateful just to be the last kid picked. Everybody is happy but a handful of Poke fans and a couple of inbred UNLV fans who haven't been happy since '92. 1 1 1 Quote
Iam4wyo Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 This schedule is hilarious! But hey, fuck 'em! 1 Quote
Spaztecs Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/23/2024 at 3:40 PM, The Brent Vigen Diet said: Fine, CSU has been mostly hot garbage in football for the last decade… More than the University of No Lasting Value ? CSU has some Sonny Lubbock going for it in the aughts. UNLV has what ? two Bowl appearances since joining the MW. Talk about being an anchor and welfare case. Quote
Spaztecs Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/23/2024 at 3:48 PM, EastCoastFan said: Hard to believe comments like "Texas State isn’t a bad option." What has all of this fallen to? It's a last resort for the Pac to make their nut. The AAC desirables will join in 2027 when their exit fees come down. 1 1 Quote
Iam4wyo Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 10:54 AM, Spaztecs said: Outside of a couple Wyoming fans, every MW-Pac Schools is going to be where they want to be in 2026. SDSU finally gets away from the Front Range. Huh? Need a map? CSU is a front range program. Or did they move? Seems they would fit in California these days, so maybe the did? And fuck you for the dig. 1 Quote
Spaztecs Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/23/2024 at 5:13 PM, NorCalCoug said: The BigXII has ZERO interest in PAC schools…. Sleep well. They will when they get picked apart by the bigger lions. Quote
Spaztecs Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 8:04 AM, HR_poke said: Why does Wyoming get lumped into this? We have invested probably as much money as Boise has in athletics infrastructure and coaching salaries. Look at the record books over the last 25 years. 1 1 Quote
Spaztecs Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 11:00 AM, Iam4wyo said: This schedule is hilarious! But hey, fuck 'em! Looks better than the Pokes schedule only 11 games and you play at Akron. You may have to play them twice to get to twelve. I'm surprised some of the new PAC didn't drop their FCS tilt for another game with the Pac2. Quote
Spaztecs Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 11:05 AM, Iam4wyo said: Huh? Need a map? CSU is a front range program. Or did they move? Seems they would fit in California these days, so maybe the did? And fuck you for the dig. Canvas is less than an hour away from DIU. Yes, I get geography, bus schedules and ease of travel. What dig ? I pointed out the benefits of two western Conferences. Mainly you get a cash infusion and you become more competitive. Nowhere did I denigrate you or your program. I did however denigrate our UNLV fans who haven't been happy since '92. 1 Quote
The Brent Vigen Diet Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 11:03 AM, Spaztecs said: More than the University of No Lasting Value ? CSU has some Sonny Lubbock going for it in the aughts. UNLV has what ? two Bowl appearances since joining the MW. Talk about being an anchor and welfare case. You are fired up today. I would argue in football, giving all respect to your basketball which is top notch, SDSU has underwhelmed considering the amount of money you have invested. You have had success but you still have the down cycle years that normal mid level G5 programs have in spite of having one of the largest G5 athletic budgets. 2 Quote
InnZoneU Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 10:00 AM, Iam4wyo said: This schedule is hilarious! But hey, fuck 'em! It's actually not that bad tbh. The OOC games are pretty good. But it's definitely not like playing SC or UCLA or Oregon. Quote
Iam4wyo Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 11:13 AM, Spaztecs said: Looks better than the Pokes schedule only 11 games and you play at Akron. You may have to play them twice to get to twelve. I'm surprised some of the new PAC didn't drop their FCS tilt for another game with the Pac2. Believe what you want - "discussing" anything with you is like a wrestling with a pig in mud, at some point, we all understand you enjoy it, to just enjoy it. Wyoming's schedule is far better, with the exception of playing you fucks. Quote
Iam4wyo Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 11:20 AM, InnZoneU said: It's actually not that bad tbh. The OOC games are pretty good. But it's definitely not like playing SC or UCLA or Oregon. With the exception of Tech (kind of) and Oregon, it is all garbage. WSU twice...did they pull that from NMST's brain thrust? Quote
InnZoneU Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 10:26 AM, Iam4wyo said: With the exception of Tech (kind of) and Oregon, it is all garbage. WSU twice...did they pull that from NMST's brain thrust? ULL is the only weak one. Sam Houston is solid. Wake is solid. Tulsa is solid. All at least decent teams, not a flat track bully scenario. Not sure what's going on with the 2 Wazzu games, that's weird. Quote
Wyobraska Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 11:26 AM, Iam4wyo said: With the exception of Tech (kind of) and Oregon, it is all garbage. WSU twice...did they pull that from NMST's brain thrust? What were you expecting from them? They play 6 P4 schools and some solid G5s and some easy wins all on short notice. I would rather play WSU twice than pay $2 million per game to play Mountain West teams if I were a OSU fan. They took a shitty situation and made the best of it. 1 Quote
MissionTrails Posted October 24, 2024 Posted October 24, 2024 On 10/24/2024 at 10:41 AM, Wyobraska said: What were you expecting from them? They 6 P4 schools and some solid G5s and some easy wins all on short notice. I would rather play WSU twice than pay $2 million per game to play Mountain West teams if I were a WSU fan. They took a shitty situation and made the best of it. This exactly. They had to slap together in a few months what is usually done years ahead of time in normal scheduling. Of course it's not going to be like the old PAC12 schedule. The home/home between Beavs/Cougs will be a onetime thing. Quote
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