Disaster Scenario for the PAC12

[SalinasSpartan]

On 10/23/2024 at 8:18 AM, Chalsean said:

We're not really targeting the same schools, so I don't see how/why MWC needs to respond to anything PAC does.

The MWC does not need to respond to the Pac, I meant the MWC can respond to the new situation that will exist after the Pac makes their move. Sure, the MWC and Pac generally are not “targeting the same schools” (though at the very least in the case of Texas State, yes they are).

But so long as the possibility of a Pac invite exists, some schools that the MWC may have interest in will simply not make join the MWC and close the door on a potential Pac invite. Whether or not they have a good shot at a Pac invite isn’t really relevant.
 

Take Sac State, for example. They PRETTY CLEARLY want a Pac invite, so I seriously doubt they would accept a MWC invite while they believed a Pac invite was at least possible. But once the Pac makes their moves and if Sac State is not included in those moves, I am guessing they would suddenly be much more open to a move to the MWC. I am guessing there are other schools that view things the same way and would not want to commit to the MWC until they know a Pac invite is not coming. Because ultimately the Pac will get more TV money so every potential candidate is going to prefer a Pac invite to a MWC invite. UTEP was just a unique school that clearly wanted to be in the MWC, was a good fit in the MWC from the MWC’s perspective and had the self awareness to know there was no way a Pac invite was coming.
 

So yea, because of all that shit it makes sense for the MWC to wait until the Pac finishes up. Then they can assess the landscape in terms of what schools are available and decide IF they want to add any more schools and IF they do, they can negotiate with those schools from a position of strength. 

[Rebel_Alliance]

On 10/22/2024 at 10:25 PM, BSUTOP25 said:

I’d take UTSA or Texas State, but would avoid UNT or any of the other riff raff in that state. UNT is one of those schools where everyone who goes there wishes they could have went somewhere else.

As opposed to Boise?

[modestobulldog]

St Olaf College, bonus because it is west of Mississippi River.

[KingSpartan]

On 10/23/2024 at 11:22 AM, modestobulldog said:

St Olaf College, bonus because it is west of Mississippi River.

That's where Rose went to college.

[VandalPride97]

On 10/23/2024 at 12:29 PM, The Brent Vigen Diet said:

Number of quality football programs at any given time. Every program outside of Boise cycles down years. USU and SDSU are down this year and CSU has been hot garbage for the last decade. You can’t tell me adding Texas ST is better quality than if there was a full merger. I get the extra media money, but from a pure quality standpoint, it’s not better unless you poach AAC

False.  They went bowling in 2016.

[VandalPride97]

On 10/23/2024 at 2:04 PM, Rebel_Alliance said:

As opposed to Boise?

A valid point.

[The Brent Vigen Diet]

On 10/23/2024 at 3:30 PM, VandalPride97 said:

False.  They went bowling in 2016.

Fine, CSU has been mostly hot garbage in football for the last decade…

[EastCoastFan]

Hard to believe comments like "Texas State isn’t a bad option."  What has all of this fallen to?

[Iam4wyo]

On 10/23/2024 at 3:48 PM, EastCoastFan said:

Hard to believe comments like "Texas State isn’t a bad option."  What has all of this fallen to?

What has this fallen to?  Fucking greed and huge egos.  Stupidest thing ever, was for the "State's" to believe WOSU's bullshit and go full retard.  

[OrediggerPoke]

On 10/23/2024 at 3:30 PM, VandalPride97 said:

False.  They went bowling in 2016.

Giving up 61 points to Idaho in a ‘bowl’ game loss is the very definition of hot garbage.  
 

Yes - Wyoming is hot garbage this year.  

[The Brent Vigen Diet]

On 10/23/2024 at 4:17 PM, OrediggerPoke said:

Giving up 61 points to Idaho in a ‘bowl’ game loss is the very definition of hot garbage.  
 

Yes - Wyoming is hot garbage this year.  

He was waiting for someone to mention that.

[VandalPride97]

On 10/23/2024 at 6:17 PM, OrediggerPoke said:

Giving up 61 points to Idaho in a ‘bowl’ game loss is the very definition of hot garbage.  
 

Yes - Wyoming is hot garbage this year.  

Is Nevada still hot garbage?  They were our slam-pig last year.

[NorCalCoug]

On 10/23/2024 at 7:13 AM, thedude15 said:

Texas State and wait is the disaster scenario. Still an upgrade in money/conference quality for the leaving 5 MW schools. 

Then the "bigger" disaster would be a couple of Pac schools getting a Big-12 invite and then the MW actually staying strong this time and none of the MW-8 jumping to the Pac-6. That would likely result in a merger and then the MW schools that stayed this round look very smart. To me the more likely outcome is no Pac gets gets a Big-12 bid and down the line the Pac-12 picks off another school or two from the MW. 

The BigXII has ZERO interest in PAC schools…. Sleep well.

[I Eat Babies]

The PAC has been in constant disaster scenario status for the last two years.  

[SDSUfan]

On 10/23/2024 at 2:52 PM, Iam4wyo said:

iWhat has this fallen to?  Fucking greed and huge egos.  Stupidest thing ever, was for the "State's" to believe WOSU's bullshit and go full retard.  

I think I've made my thoughts well known on this subject., that is, I mostly agree with your sentiment. BUT I think where the "Pac12" is headed is trying to get all of the  potentially available programs that have shown a willingness and ability to invest in athletics into a conference that has the potential, desire and wherewithal to grow. In that regard, I think Texas State fits whereas, SJSU, AFA, Reno, Wyo and UNM do not. UNLV is the outlier but MOU's are not the same thing as a Grant of Rights so it won't shock me to see them make a jump if the jumping is good. 

At the end of the day, "NIL" as currently understood, will go away.  The IRS will shut this crap down at the first opportunity. That means that schools are going to have to figure out how to make direct payments to their players.  Thus, the cash grab.

The whole thing sucks.  I'm old. I hate change. I was fine with the way things were, but I also think the players need to be paid.

[OrediggerPoke]

On 10/23/2024 at 5:09 PM, VandalPride97 said:

Is Nevada still hot garbage?  They were our slam-pig last year.

Nevada was 2-10 last year.  Yes - considering they were a weekly bottom 10 recipient - - hot garbage .  
 

3-5 Nevada, as well as any MWC team not named Wyoming, Utah State or Air Force, would smoke Idaho this year.  

[OrediggerPoke]

On 10/23/2024 at 6:33 PM, SDSUfan said:

 

UNLV is the outlier but MOU's are not the same thing as a Grant of Rights so it won't shock me to see them make a jump if the jumping is good. 

 

What!?!? UNLV, along with every other MWC 8 school, signed an agreement with a grant of media rights to the conference, which became binding and effective once mutually executed by all 8 schools.  Which has happened.  The agreement has a carve out if UNLV, or any other MWC 8 school, leaves to the Big 12, Big 10, SEC or ACC.  
 

If your definition of ‘good jumping’ is jumping off a cliff- then I guess UNLV could join the PAC prior to 2031 under that definition.  

[Chalsean]

On 10/23/2024 at 6:44 PM, OrediggerPoke said:

What!?!? UNLV, along with every other MWC 8 school, signed an agreement with a grant of media rights to the conference, which became binding and effective once mutually executed by all 8 schools.  Which has happened.  The agreement has a carve out if UNLV, or any other MWC 8 school, leaves to the Big 12, Big 10, SEC or ACC.  
 

If your definition of ‘good jumping’ is jumping off a cliff- then I guess UNLV could join the PAC prior to 2031 under that definition.  

GoR has not been signed yet

Whereas, by execution of this MOU, the Conference and the Member Institutions agree to work cooperatively in the preparation of the formal Grant of Rights Agreement as set out below; The parties here to express the following understanding:

1.The “Term” of this Agreement shall begin on July 1, 2026 and shall continue until June 30, 2032. The “Effective Date” means the date when this Agreement is signed by duly authorized representatives of the Conference, Air Force, UNLV, and at least four of the other five Member Institutions.

 

[HR_poke]

On 10/23/2024 at 6:33 PM, SDSUfan said:

I think I've made my thoughts well known on this subject., that is, I mostly agree with your sentiment. BUT I think where the "Pac12" is headed is trying to get all of the  potentially available programs that have shown a willingness and ability to invest in athletics into a conference that has the potential, desire and wherewithal to grow. In that regard, I think Texas State fits whereas, SJSU, AFA, Reno, Wyo and UNM do not. UNLV is the outlier but MOU's are not the same thing as a Grant of Rights so it won't shock me to see them make a jump if the jumping is good. 

At the end of the day, "NIL" as currently understood, will go away.  The IRS will shut this crap down at the first opportunity. That means that schools are going to have to figure out how to make direct payments to their players.  Thus, the cash grab.

The whole thing sucks.  I'm old. I hate change. I was fine with the way things were, but I also think the players need to be paid.

Why does Wyoming get lumped into this?  We have invested probably as much money as Boise has in athletics infrastructure and coaching salaries.

[SDSUfan]

On 10/24/2024 at 9:04 AM, HR_poke said:

Why does Wyoming get lumped into this?  We have invested probably as much money as Boise has in athletics infrastructure and coaching salaries.

I feel you and if I were King, you're right there with us. It must boil down to market but Corvallis and Pullman are cowtowns too.