CoachKenFTW Posted October 21 Posted October 21 Are there any board members with experience in WL, either as agents or policy owners? Anything you know now that you wish you knew then? I'm considering establishing a life insurance trust that would hold WLI policies for tax optimization, and estate planning purposes. I've read and listened to what Dave Ramsey, Suzie Orman etc...think of WLI. And, as it relates to their ttarget audiences, I agree with them. But I think WL might be a good way to go for invest bros like me.
WYO1016 Posted October 21 Posted October 21 It's illegal to advertise whole life insurance as an investment vehicle. Also, whole life is nearly extinct. The closest thing you'll find is guaranteed universal life insurance, unless you're ok with $25k or less in whole life. 1
Old_SD_Dude Posted October 21 Posted October 21 On 10/21/2024 at 11:13 AM, CoachKenFTW said: Are there any board members with experience in WL, either as agents or policy owners? Anything you know now that you wish you knew then? I'm considering establishing a life insurance trust that would hold WLI policies for tax optimization, and estate planning purposes. I've read and listened to what Dave Ramsey, Suzie Orman etc...think of WLI. And, as it relates to their ttarget audiences, I agree with them. But I think WL might be a good way to go for invest bros like me. Not exactly sure what an "invest bro" is, but Whole Life Insurance is not a good investment. There are numerous investment vehicles with substantially greater returns. 1
AlpineSummer Posted October 21 Posted October 21 On 10/21/2024 at 12:13 PM, CoachKenFTW said: Are there any board members with experience in WL, either as agents or policy owners? Anything you know now that you wish you knew then? I'm considering establishing a life insurance trust that would hold WLI policies for tax optimization, and estate planning purposes. I've read and listened to what Dave Ramsey, Suzie Orman etc...think of WLI. And, as it relates to their ttarget audiences, I agree with them. But I think WL might be a good way to go for invest bros like me. You should combine a whole life policy with annuities. If you are ever short a month just do a payday loan to cover. 2
tailingpermit Posted October 22 Posted October 22 On 10/21/2024 at 6:33 PM, AlpineSummer said: You should combine a whole life policy with annuities. If you are ever short a month just do a payday loan to cover. Just as long as it’s an official Boise State payday loan center. 2
Hashbrowns Posted October 22 Posted October 22 On 10/21/2024 at 11:13 AM, CoachKenFTW said: Anything you know now that you wish you knew then? I wish I’d have listed @Hashbrowns as a beneficiary. Great dude.
CoachKenFTW Posted October 22 Author Posted October 22 On 10/21/2024 at 3:33 PM, AlpineSummer said: You should combine a whole life policy with annuities. If you are ever short a month just do a payday loan to cover. Variable annuities can be a pretty good way to go for high net worth individuals in debtor friendly states like Nevada and Texas. The asset protection offsets the fees.
CoachKenFTW Posted October 22 Author Posted October 22 On 10/21/2024 at 2:20 PM, WYO1016 said: It's illegal to advertise whole life insurance as an investment vehicle. Also, whole life is nearly extinct. The closest thing you'll find is guaranteed universal life insurance, unless you're ok with $25k or less in whole life. Right. Our investment portfolio is well established. The goal for the whole life policies would be to act as an estate planning tool in an irrevocable trust. So, in your opinion, they're going to steer us away from WL and into universal? Why would that be?
CoachKenFTW Posted October 22 Author Posted October 22 On 10/21/2024 at 9:06 PM, Hashbrowns said: I wish I’d have listed @Hashbrowns as a beneficiary. Great dude. I'm here to help All we'll need are scans of your DL, SS card, and passport. We'll also need your bank account and routing info so they know where to send the money. Then all you have to do is text us the 2FA codes and you'll be all set up as the beneficiary. DM me 1
CoachKenFTW Posted October 22 Author Posted October 22 On 10/21/2024 at 3:04 PM, Old_SD_Dude said: Not exactly sure what an "invest bro" is, but Whole Life Insurance is not a good investment. There are numerous investment vehicles with substantially greater returns. I hear you. Almost all insurance products are horrible investments. An alleged financial planner conned one of our family members into transferring his 401k to an insurance company. It took me about six months to untie all the knots. The surrender fees and opportunity cost added up to ~20% loss.
Old_SD_Dude Posted October 22 Posted October 22 On 10/22/2024 at 7:19 AM, CoachKenFTW said: Right. Our investment portfolio is well established. The goal for the whole life policies would be to act as an estate planning tool in an irrevocable trust. So, in your opinion, they're going to steer us away from WL and into universal? Why would that be? Why would there be any advantage to placing a WL policy in the trust as opposed to having those $$ in an investment account that is also in the trust? The latter would undoubtedly garner a higher return and would also go to the beneficiary.
AlpineSummer Posted October 22 Posted October 22 On 10/22/2024 at 9:30 AM, Old_SD_Dude said: Why would there be any advantage to placing a WL policy in the trust as opposed to having those $$ in an investment account that is also in the trust? The latter would undoubtedly garner a higher return and would also go to the beneficiary. He's a high wealth individual. Uber rich. Got a tribe a kids to divvy up the gift/trust limits.
Old_SD_Dude Posted October 22 Posted October 22 On 10/22/2024 at 8:35 AM, AlpineSummer said: He's a high wealth individual. Uber rich. Got a tribe a kids to divvy up the gift/trust limits. So what? Upon death one can divide up investment accounts in a trust amongst multiple beneficiaries. Why settle for the lower returns from a WL policy?
AlpineSummer Posted October 22 Posted October 22 On 10/22/2024 at 9:57 AM, Old_SD_Dude said: So what? Upon death one can divide up investment accounts in a trust amongst multiple beneficiaries. Why settle for the lower returns from a WL policy? They gamble a lot apparently.
CoachKenFTW Posted October 22 Author Posted October 22 On 10/22/2024 at 8:30 AM, Old_SD_Dude said: Why would there be any advantage to placing a WL policy in the trust as opposed to having those $$ in an investment account that is also in the trust? The latter would undoubtedly garner a higher return and would also go to the beneficiary. Tax brackets for trusts are extremely condensed. So the capital gains from a brokerage account would have to be distributed to the beneficiaries, thereby defeating the estate planning purposes of the trust. But life insurance grows and is paid out tax free. If I die after about three years of tax exempt donations to the trust, the trust would keep about $50k and whatever capital gains would be distributed out if tge trust. Whereas if I If I die having only paid $50k into an $1,000,000 policy, that would be a 2000% tax free return for the beneficiaries that can stay in the trust.
CoachKenFTW Posted October 22 Author Posted October 22 On 10/22/2024 at 8:35 AM, AlpineSummer said: He's a high wealth individual. Uber rich. Got a tribe a kids to divvy up the gift/trust limits. I'm just a regular Joe. But we live in a high cost high salary area. And it's been a good run for my tech funds. When inheritance and policy uncertainty is added in in, I think it makes sense to plan proactively.
AlpineSummer Posted October 22 Posted October 22 On 10/22/2024 at 10:37 AM, CoachKenFTW said: I'm just a regular Joe. But we live in a high cost high salary area. And it's been a good run for my tech funds. When inheritance and policy uncertainty is added in in, I think it makes sense to plan proactively. Of course, I'm not being serious. That's the default take on WLP. lol. Good luck explaining what a high cost salary area, capital gains, debtor friendly states, and whatever other tidbits dropped have to do with your proactive planning. Maybe a wise invest bro will chime in eventually.
CoachKenFTW Posted October 22 Author Posted October 22 On 10/22/2024 at 9:46 AM, AlpineSummer said: Of course, I'm not being serious. That's the default take on WLP. lol. Good luck explaining what a high cost salary area, capital gains, debtor friendly states, and whatever other tidbits dropped have to do with your proactive planning. Maybe a wise invest bro will chime in eventually. When AOC is prez, and Rashida Talib is Secretary of the Treasury, it'll all be abundantly clear why I'm taking this route lol. 1
AlpineSummer Posted October 22 Posted October 22 On 10/22/2024 at 11:07 AM, CoachKenFTW said: When AOC is prez, and Rashida Talib is Secretary of the Treasury, it'll all be abundantly clear why I'm taking this route lol. AOC finally age elgible. Look out for her in '44 at 55.
halfmanhalfbronco Posted October 22 Posted October 22 On 10/21/2024 at 4:33 PM, AlpineSummer said: You should combine a whole life policy with annuities. If you are ever short a month just do a payday loan to cover. Pshhh. If I die im counting on my only fans content will have a Picasso effect. My family finna be set. 1
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