Comfortably Numb

[Sactowndog]

On 10/13/2024 at 10:13 PM, bornontheblue said:

Most people will go on with their lives in the same manner as they have before no matter who wins the election because there will be much more important things in their life than who the president is. 

 

 

 

Yeah tell that to the blacks who were imprisoned, tortured and killed under apartheid.   The language then was certainly no worse than the poisoning the blood comments from Trump.  Nor was it worse than this quote….

We are now known, all throughout the world, as OCCUPIED AMERICA...But to everyone here in Colorado and all across our nation, I make you this vow: November 5th, 2024 will be LIBERATION DAY in America. I will rescue Aurora and every town that has been invaded and conquered—and we will put these vicious and bloodthirsty criminals in jail or kick them the hell OUT OF OUR COUNTRY.

In honor of Jocelyn Nungaray, Laken Riley, Rachel Morin, and all of the others that are dead and mortally wounded at the hands of migrants who should never have been allowed into our Country, I am announcing today that upon taking office, we will have an OPERATION AURORA at the Federal Level. To expedite removals of this savage gang, I will invoke the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to target and dismantle every migrant criminal network operating on American Soil. 

In many cases I might agree with you.  But certain elections such as the election of Lincoln are highly consequential to the future of the country.  The fact you just Pooh Pooh it away shows your level of foolishness.  But who cares your vote doesn’t matter.  However the vote of people like @Nevada Convert and @mugtang does matter.  After visiting the Apartheid Museum today, I and every single other American walked away very concerned.  

[SalinasSpartan]

On 10/13/2024 at 1:13 PM, bornontheblue said:

Most people will go on with their lives in the same manner as they have before no matter who wins the election because there will be much more important things in their life than who the president is. 

 

 

 

If you look at all the election threads combined how high do you think you rank in terms of posts?

[bornontheblue]

On 10/13/2024 at 2:25 PM, Sactowndog said:

Yeah tell that to the blacks who were imprisoned, tortured and killed under apartheid.   The language then was certainly no worse than the poisoning the blood comments from Trump.  Nor was it worse than this quote….

We are now known, all throughout the world, as OCCUPIED AMERICA...But to everyone here in Colorado and all across our nation, I make you this vow: November 5th, 2024 will be LIBERATION DAY in America. I will rescue Aurora and every town that has been invaded and conquered—and we will put these vicious and bloodthirsty criminals in jail or kick them the hell OUT OF OUR COUNTRY.

In honor of Jocelyn Nungaray, Laken Riley, Rachel Morin, and all of the others that are dead and mortally wounded at the hands of migrants who should never have been allowed into our Country, I am announcing today that upon taking office, we will have an OPERATION AURORA at the Federal Level. To expedite removals of this savage gang, I will invoke the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to target and dismantle every migrant criminal network operating on American Soil. 

In many cases I might agree with you.  But certain elections such as the election of Lincoln are highly consequential to the future of the country.  The fact you just Pooh Pooh it away shows your level of foolishness.  But who cares your vote doesn’t matter.  However the vote of people like @Nevada Convert and @mugtang does matter.  After visiting the Apartheid Museum today, I and every single other American walked away very concerned.  

We are not going to have Apartheid 2.0 

Also every election there is overused rhetoric that “ this is the most important election of our lives”  it’s an American tradition at this point 
 

most people will shrug their shoulders on election night and say well that’s interesting , and then move on with their lives to more important matters. 

[SalinasSpartan]

On 10/13/2024 at 7:25 AM, mysfit said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/13/trump-disaster-funding-warning

 

It matters. It matters a lot. No ones going to be around to stop him pulling the navy out of Hawaii this time. Or blocking aid to blue states or Red states that have pissed him off. Or any number of other decisions he can make that will adversely impact Americans lives because he's a vindictive son of a bitch unfit to hold public office and a convicted felon. Too bad we no longer have any standards but if so many voters aren't bothered by that, then this isn't the country I thought it was.

And I'm comfortably numb 

 

I mean, everybody here cares about the election, regardless of whether they claim to care who wins. People don’t go on online message boards to post most days of the week about stuff they don’t care about. Frankly it’s a little odd to be super invested in an election while also being hostile at the idea that someone who also cares about the election might also care who wins.
 

Like, I care about the Super Bowl and rarely care who wins. But it would be pretty fuckin weird if I went to a Super Bowl party and cared about the game but also talked shit nonstop to anybody that was pulling for one of the teams to win. 

[AlpineSummer]

On 10/13/2024 at 1:55 PM, SleepingGiantFan said:

Yes, it does. And not widely known is that Comfortably Numb wasn't written by Roger Waters for placement on The Wall but by David Gilmour for placement on his first solo album which came out in 1978. Word is that the only lyrics which came to Gilmour were "I have become comfortably numb" (presumably through consumption of marijuana and alcohol) but Waters heard the melody and despite how much the two were fighting at the time, he asked Gilmour if it could be used on The Wall. Waters had supposedly been shot up with tranquilizers soon before to " numb" him through a concert despite terrible stomach pains, but he was anything but "comfortable."

I'm with mysfit. Hate is a strong word but I literally hate Donald Trump and worry about where America will be if he gets in the White House again. So I've been trying to prepare myself naturally for where I might be emotionally three weeks from now if MAGA Nation gets it wish.

Good music history lesson. Lots of memories of that album.   One of my favorites is early '80s and "Brick" is in the rotation on the main contemporary AM station.  I'm driving a long rural-to-urban special ed bus route.  A lot of the kids had mild-moderate cognitive deficits or significant emotional impairments.  When "Brick" came on over the bus radio, they waited for that one repeated line and joined in w/enthusiasm.  Teachers should leave those kids alone. 

I'm empathetic to @mysfit.  I understand the struggles with angst many will have with a second Trump Admin.  should that come to pass.  The ugliness and absurdity of this Trump campaign and the impotency of the media to do anything more than commercially profit from covering it is really disheartening.  By that I mean I thought we were better than that no matter who wins. 

People just have to fight the good fight mostly in their daily lives and politically at whatever level they engage. Politically, whichever side loses is going to have to make some significant adjustments.  I'm hoping it's the Republicans first. 

[AlpineSummer]

On 10/12/2024 at 12:12 PM, masterfrog said:

I'll bite.  Joe Biden has been President for three and a half years.  What are the improvements in health care, abortion rights, taxation and education over that time?

I'm full, but since mysfit didn't answer (or I missed it), I'll bite, too.   For health care, final rule reform for CHIPS and BHP streamlining the enrollment process and expanding coverages.  That and the negotiation of Rx by Medicare on a fair sized scale that's expanding over years.  Taxation -- the international corporate tax agreement which is still in the long implementation process.  Trump would likely fuck that up.  Pandemic era student loan payment pause and extensions of child tax credits -- if one thinks either or both are positive.  Education --  there were a bunch of additions and tweeks in policy, but I'm just not big on the efficacy of federal ed policy, and I didn't see anything that has a great chance of changing that.  Abortion rights -- the Court and federalism (states) now have the game ball.  

[Sactowndog]

On 10/13/2024 at 10:34 PM, bornontheblue said:

We are not going to have Apartheid 2.0 

Also every election there is overused rhetoric that “ this is the most important election of our lives”  it’s an American tradition at this point 
 

most people will shrug their shoulders on election night and say well that’s interesting , and then move on with their lives to more important matters. 

I didn’t say what we would have.  What I will say is the rhetoric demonizing one group is very similar.  
 

God forbid what is the result.  

[Orange]

On 10/13/2024 at 1:13 PM, bornontheblue said:

Most people will go on with their lives in the same manner as they have before no matter who wins the election because there will be much more important things in their life than who the president is. 

 

 

 

Some of us have this weird thing called empathy.  Immigrants, gay and trans folks, and POC will find their lives getting demonstrably worse as these MAGA cretins feel emboldened to be even worse humans than they already are (and police will have a blank check to abuse with impunity). Gaza will be glass.   
 

Oh, and every economist who is worth a shit will tell you that trump’s tariffs will cause runaway inflation and ultimately a recession, so no, your life likely will not “go on like normal.”  
 

I have multiple friends who are queer/trans, and I’m genuinely terrified for their safety under a Trump presidency.  
 

Your cavalier attitude in the face of this is disgusting. You know better.  

[bornontheblue]

On 10/16/2024 at 10:01 AM, Orange said:

I have multiple friends who are queer/trans, and I’m genuinely terrified for their safety under a Trump presidency.  

So do you think Trump is going to send out goons to round up all the queer/trans people and put them into reeducation camps in the Alaska wilderness. 

If the answer to the above is yes , can you point out what evidence you are using to base this opinion on? 

[Orange]

On 10/16/2024 at 9:31 AM, bornontheblue said:

So do you think Trump is going to send out goons to round up all the queer/trans people and put them into reeducation camps in the Alaska wilderness. 

If the answer to the above is yes , can you point out what evidence you are using to base this opinion on? 

No, but Trump will appoint regressive asshole justices who are 12 years old and will make it illegal to be trans, which is often fatal for a group of people with a high suicidal rate.  An anti-queer president has proven to increase incidents of hate crimes.  Gay marriage could well be rolled back (Clarence wants to), and oh yeah, he’s also against IVF and fucking BIRTH CONTROL.   

 

Wake the fuck up, you clueless fucking asshole. 

[mysfit]

On 10/13/2024 at 3:51 PM, AlpineSummer said:

I'm full, but since mysfit didn't answer (or I missed it), I'll bite, too.   For health care, final rule reform for CHIPS and BHP streamlining the enrollment process and expanding coverages.  That and the negotiation of Rx by Medicare on a fair sized scale that's expanding over years.  Taxation -- the international corporate tax agreement which is still in the long implementation process.  Trump would likely fuck that up.  Pandemic era student loan payment pause and extensions of child tax credits -- if one thinks either or both are positive.  Education --  there were a bunch of additions and tweeks in policy, but I'm just not big on the efficacy of federal ed policy, and I didn't see anything that has a great chance of changing that.  Abortion rights -- the Court and federalism (states) now have the game ball.  

I have him on ignore so no I won't bite

[Spaztecs]

On 10/11/2024 at 3:13 PM, SDSUfan said:

 A little less Floyd and a little more Travis is what you need. 

Remember, life is not politics and politics isn't life.  No matter if your candidate wins or loses, your life won't change and YOUR life and those of your loved ones is all that matters in this world.

 

An authoritarian Guv will definitely change your life 

[Spaztecs]

On 10/11/2024 at 11:09 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

You are fighting a battle you can’t win. People that have it in their minds that the President doesn’t matter cannot be persuaded otherwise. Even if you give them an actual example they will just handwave it away and say, “I know you say this is an example of who is in the White House affecting a person’s day to day life, but I say it isn’t”. And that will be that.

Especially when you will be a part of the protected class.

[Spaztecs]

On 10/13/2024 at 8:25 AM, mysfit said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/13/trump-disaster-funding-warning

 

It matters. It matters a lot. No ones going to be around to stop him pulling the navy out of Hawaii this time. Or blocking aid to blue states or Red states that have pissed him off. Or any number of other decisions he can make that will adversely impact Americans lives because he's a vindictive son of a bitch unfit to hold public office and a convicted felon. Too bad we no longer have any standards but if so many voters aren't bothered by that, then this isn't the country I thought it was.

And I'm comfortably numb 

 

Agreed.

We recently found out Trump was going to withhold FEMA assistance during the Cali wildfires for political reasons. Fortunately, he was talked out of it that time. Next time, he won't.  Unless, Newsome and the Cali Legislature bend knee to him and kiss his rings.

[Spaztecs]

On 10/13/2024 at 2:01 PM, Sactowndog said:

Let me just say after visiting the apartheid museum today, the general tenor that started Apartheid was eerily similar to what we see from MAGA today.  And yes the party that ushered in apartheid was elected with a minority of the vote.   And btw that opinion was shared by every American in our group.  
 

now in many cases I would agree with your comments but in the case of Trump I find you incredibly naive.  

 

Don't forget who your debate opponents are. They are white, upper middle class, conservatives, who believe Trumpism won't change their lives. He actually helps them feel better about themselves and their future security.

History has shown that former Dem States that became Authoritarian, had that change driven the middle and upper middle classes who were scared shirtless of losing their economic and political status.

[Spaztecs]

On 10/16/2024 at 10:31 AM, bornontheblue said:

So do you think Trump is going to send out goons to round up all the queer/trans people and put them into reeducation camps in the Alaska wilderness. 

If the answer to the above is yes , can you point out what evidence you are using to base this opinion on? 

No.

However, However , a Trump Presidency will empower individuals and small groups to do their worst to their perceived enemies. It will also empower States to pass Legislation that curtails the Civil Liberties of those "Others."

Ending DEI was the first step on that slippery slope.

[Sactowndog]

On 10/16/2024 at 9:31 AM, bornontheblue said:

So do you think Trump is going to send out goons to round up all the queer/trans people and put them into reeducation camps in the Alaska wilderness. 

If the answer to the above is yes , can you point out what evidence you are using to base this opinion on? 

Queer and trans no.   Immigrants yes.  He has been very clear about that fact. 

[Spaztecs]

On 10/17/2024 at 10:37 AM, Sactowndog said:

Queer and trans no.   Immigrants yes.  He has been very clear about that fact. 

 

If past history is an example, even those with a Right to be here will be rounded up and deported. Trump is claiming there are upwards of 20 mil illegals in America (rhetoric) He has claimed he will arrest and deport 11 mil. If it turns out there are only 7 mil, it's not a stretch to imagine he will find 4 mil more to satisfy his racist base.

[mysfit]

It's going to be ugly. Civil rights will take a step at least 100;years back. Violence against various groups will increase. Discrimination will return. Even legal immigrants will have reason to be fearful as that effing moron has said he wants them out as well.

Supremacy of whites. Of straight men. Everyone better watch out 

 

[bornontheblue]

On 10/17/2024 at 11:26 AM, mysfit said:

It's going to be ugly. Civil rights will take a step at least 100;years back. Violence against various groups will increase. Discrimination will return. Even ltgdl immigrants will have reason to be fearful as that effing moron has said he wants them out as well.

Supremacy of whites. Of straight men. Everyone better watch out 

 

You need to be more like me. FInd out who wins and then move on with your life, preferably to productive activities that add value to your life and where you can be in control. 

In four years we can do this again.