DestinFlPackfan Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 6:02 PM, RSF said: Shouldn’t an escalation involve, I don’t know, actually hitting something? Iran may not be able to hit their intended targets...but Israel sure as heck can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysfit Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 10:46 AM, The Barber said: Israel seems hell bent on dragging the US into a war with Iran. Why is Israel launching a ground invasion of Lebanon... How about we try some diplomacy instead of escalating things into a full out war. Where is President Biden? Why isn't he over in Israel trying to get this ratcheted down. My guess is that the US will fund this war, and might get dragged into an war with Iran. Because he clearly has ZERO influence over the Israeli regime. It's embarrassing. Just let them run what they are going to run until they get to a point where they come asking for more support and start putting limits on it. It's past time that we started that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysfit Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Ñever mind. My observation was wrong and laughable so go ahead and have the laugh without the part that would be embarrassing. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sactowndog Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 11:04 AM, The Barber said: President Biden is the "leader of the free world". The United States has a lot of influence over things, as we have (1) the largest military in the world, and (2) the largest economy in the world ---economic sanctions are a real weapon. This isn't about "waiving a magic wand". It is about stepping up as the leader of the free world, and trying to ratchet down things from a massive war in the middle east. Do you want another war? Me neither. We have a lot of sway over what Israel does. Or maybe I have that part reversed. Bingo. Israel has far more control over us than the reverse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barber Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/2/2024 at 1:30 AM, mysfit said: Because he clearly has ZERO influence over the Israeli regime. It's embarrassing. Just let them run what they are going to run until they get to a point where they come asking for more support and start putting limits on it. It's past time that we started that. Well said. And I agree with you, it is embarrassing and sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chile_Ute Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 Time to pull the fucking check. Netanyahu wants to be a Zionist badass, let him on his own. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soupslam Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/2/2024 at 9:30 PM, Chile_Ute said: Time to pull the fucking check. Netanyahu wants to be a Zionist badass, let him on his own. What do you think our response would be if Mexico shot a bunch of rockets into San Diego? Hell we killed 1,000,000 people because we lost 3,000 in the twin towers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanfordchef Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/2/2024 at 9:09 PM, Soupslam said: What do you think our response would be if Mexico shot a bunch of rockets into San Diego? Hell we killed 1,000,000 people because we lost 3,000 in the twin towers. the israelis weren’t our military lifeblood/chief arms dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanfordchef Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/2/2024 at 8:30 PM, Chile_Ute said: Time to pull the fucking check. Netanyahu wants to be a Zionist badass, let him on his own. Agreed. It’s long past time. We could cut his little “fightin round the world” shit short really fast but nobody has the stomach to do so. If we let this go on with more or less a blank check he’s only going to be further emboldened. They’re bombing shit in downtown Beirut now ffs. this does not serve US interests in the least bit. You can’t convince me otherwise…Hezbollah is a narcotics smuggling outfit comprised primarily of Arab hillbillies masquerading as a Shia political party/“resistance group”. They’re of no threat to the US. I never liked those pricks personally but they’re largely toothless outside of the Levant. Once this blows over they’ll just appoint some other rube as leader and go back to smuggling heroin to Europe and the gulf. A bunch of innocent people will be killed and livelihoods destroyed for essentially the ongoing status quo at the end of the day. Ultimately our blank check is going to do is cause us more problems down the road and will just continue to alienate that part of the world even further than it already is. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrofade Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/2/2024 at 10:24 PM, Joe from Wyo said: Agreed. It’s long past time. We could cut his little “fightin round the world” shit short really fast but nobody has the stomach to do so. If we let this go on with more or less a blank check he’s only going to be further emboldened. They’re bombing shit in downtown Beirut now ffs. this does not serve US interests in the least bit. You can’t convince me otherwise…Hezbollah is a narcotics smuggling outfit comprised primarily of Arab hillbillies masquerading as a Shia political party/“resistance group”. They’re of no threat to the US. I never liked those pricks personally but they’re largely toothless outside of the Levant. Once this blows over they’ll just appoint some other rube as leader and go back to smuggling heroin to Europe and the gulf. A bunch of innocent people will be killed and livelihoods destroyed for essentially the ongoing status quo at the end of the day. Ultimately our blank check is going to do is cause us more problems down the road and will just continue to alienate that part of the world even further than it already is. Tinfoil hat time... Israel's renewed attack on Hezbollah was intended to stir up unrest before the US election. Bibi knows that Trump will support anything he wants to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanfordchef Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/2/2024 at 10:27 PM, retrofade said: Tinfoil hat time... Israel's renewed attack on Hezbollah was intended to stir up unrest before the US election. Bibi knows that Trump will support anything he wants to do. I may have a tinfoil hat too but i absolutely believe it was. As will their upcoming attack on Iran that’s supposed to be “severe”. That’s why they keep saying the Israelis are going to attack the oil terminals. Whole thing I feel is orchestrated to spike oil prices and manufacture chaos ahead of the US elections. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/2/2024 at 9:09 PM, Soupslam said: What do you think our response would be if Mexico shot a bunch of rockets into San Diego? Hell we killed 1,000,000 people because we lost 3,000 in the twin towers. If we had just flattened Tijuana and murdered 40k civilians, I’d expect we’d have it coming, and I’d be protesting against my own government. And I think everyone realizes that the overreaction to 9/11 made us far less safe, worldwide 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barber Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/2/2024 at 8:30 PM, Chile_Ute said: Time to pull the fucking check. Netanyahu wants to be a Zionist badass, let him on his own. I agree. What will happen are "calls" for a ceasefire and peace, while we continue to send them billions to fund their military, without any conditions attached. We should have already done this after they ignored our government's calls to ratchet it down and stop the aggression. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chile_Ute Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/2/2024 at 10:09 PM, Soupslam said: What do you think our response would be if Mexico shot a bunch of rockets into San Diego? Hell we killed 1,000,000 people because we lost 3,000 in the twin towers. The only reason he’s on a multi front offensive is because of our money/resources. There is a line where this ends up burning us more than it helps Israel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmartigan Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/3/2024 at 2:01 PM, Chile_Ute said: The only reason he’s on a multi front offensive is because of our money/resources. There is a line where this ends up burning us more than it helps Israel. The faster we get all interests out of the hell hole known as the ME, the better. So sick of this shit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mysfit Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 On 10/2/2024 at 11:27 PM, retrofade said: Tinfoil hat time... Israel's renewed attack on Hezbollah was intended to stir up unrest before the US election. Bibi knows that Trump will support anything he wants to do. You want tinfoil hat time? The world is hitting a political nexus where authoritarians and dictators will run the (new)major powers. Electing Trump will weaken the US-world influence and NATO with it. Add in the UN already pretty toothless. CHINA, Putin, various strongmen and regimes move forward and start gobbling up real estate. Nuclear powers will become small islands locked within themselves. None of them will want to spark anything widespread. Climate change will add to all the mass suffering with no coordination of aid. There's been a run on conservative influence in governments at just the right, or wrong, time. It's been worldwide and gaining traction. It's had an exponential growth. At a time when US institutional guardrails have collapsed mainly from the same conservative push. Bush v Gore SC election interference. Citizens United. McConnell illegitimate block of Obama SC pick. Trump unleashing the dark conservative forces which had been hidden as too extreme (nice people on both sides) which led to the Jan 6 Insurrection. A supermajority conservative supreme court who tested out the new limits by going after established case law in Roe v Wade. Built on that with the Presidential Immunity finding. There will be sweeping reversals in3 individual rights, employee protections, workers rights (have you noticed the rollbacks on child labor laws or did you miss those), ending the affordable care act-all those things the GOP has been unable to move in Congress can now be litigated with an end favorable outcome. And once the protections are removed from civil servants, political appointees can move in. Sounds like a bad book? Or a cycle of history more or less repeating itself? If you look at the broad strokes and not get stuck in the details as we've lived them, it has a similar feel to it. If you were seeing it in a history class. And yes plenty more details from both sides but I don't want to get stuck in the siderisms and I acknowledge my lack of even handedness. I think it's too late to stop or even mitigate this. It has enough momentum I see nothing big enough to deflect it off it's path. Not with the Middle East going up in flames and not in the US with the current election and social trajectory. I worry for our children and their children's children and yes I am one of those childless cat ladies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysfit Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 P S When I say electing Trump I mean he will become President after Biden. He will litigate this until the last second and the SC will put him in office no matter what. He is throwing enough crap out there about skewed votes, cheating voters, cheating officials, aliens you name it. Harris can win both the popular and EC vote but Trump will be President. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 I don’t adopt your dim view that SCOTUS will install Trump or that there is no chance of mitigation. But I definitely agree with your assessment of history and its echoes with authoritarians today. Suddenly, white supremacist ethno-states are back in vogue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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