BREAKING: Iran has launched missiles at Israel.

[Madmartigan]

On 10/1/2024 at 11:54 AM, The Barber said:

Doesn't seem like Israel, Iran, Lebanon, Hezbollah, nor Hamas has the moral high ground in all this.

in many ways, this has been going on for years and years --- not just months.

They all indiscriminately kill innocent people to get at the other, without any self-reflection on their own bad actions.   If they don't kill, they oppress.

What a mess.

 

They all try and one up the other. Iran did this mostly just to save face that they are "serious". 

[The Barber]

On 10/1/2024 at 10:23 AM, jdgaucho said:

 

Diplomacy doesn't work when you have a potato sitting president and a cackling vp who's afraid to take a stand

Biden really should be taking a leadership role in trying to deescalate, but not sure if he is mentally capable of doing this.

Harris is too politically afraid to say anything.  She is worried about angering certain democrats who hate Israel, and also worried about angering Muslims in swing states.

[gordonsolie]

On 10/1/2024 at 1:49 PM, renoskier said:

yeah, good thing Trump put a stop to that...

oh wait, he cancelled the agreement that was working to delay Iran's nuclear progress

and now they are closer than ever

Slapped more sanctions on too, driving the price of oil higher…helped out the Saudis and Russians though lulz 

[The Barber]

On 10/1/2024 at 10:57 AM, Madmartigan said:

They all try and one up the other. Iran did this mostly just to save face that they are "serious". 

Israel reportedly launched a ground invasion of Lebanon today, which might have played a part.

Between Russia / Ukraine, and now the middle east, there are too many ground invasions and missiles flying right now.

[InnZoneU]

On 10/1/2024 at 10:58 AM, The Barber said:

Biden really should be taking a leadership role in trying to deescalate, but not sure if he is mentally capable of doing this.

Harris is too politically afraid to say anything.  She is worried about angering certain democrats who hate Israel, and also worried about angering Muslims in swing states.

LMFAO there are some clowns here who think Biden has control over everything that goes on everywhere.  FFS.  The fck you want him to do, go wave a magic wand and make all the bad go away?  Oh and this war has been going on for centuries.

[Billings]

On 10/1/2024 at 11:01 AM, InnZoneU said:

LMFAO there are some clowns here who think Biden has control over everything that goes on everywhere.  FFS.  The fck you want him to do, go wave a magic wand and make all the bad go away?  Oh and this war has been going on for centuries.

The president of the US has control of everything and should get all the blame and credit.  Where have you been?

[The Barber]

On 10/1/2024 at 11:01 AM, InnZoneU said:

LMFAO there are some clowns here who think Biden has control over everything that goes on everywhere.  FFS.  The fck you want him to do, go wave a magic wand and make all the bad go away?

President Biden is the "leader of the free world".

The United States has a lot of influence over things, as we have (1) the largest military in the world, and (2) the largest economy in the world ---economic sanctions are a real weapon.

This isn't about "waiving a magic wand".   It is about stepping up as the leader of the free world, and trying to ratchet down things from a massive war in the middle east.   Do you want another war?  Me neither.

We have a lot of sway over what Israel does.  Or maybe I have that part reversed.

[Orange]

On 10/1/2024 at 11:01 AM, InnZoneU said:

LMFAO there are some clowns here who think Biden has control over everything that goes on everywhere.  FFS.  The fck you want him to do, go wave a magic wand and make all the bad go away?  Oh and this war has been going on for centuries.

This.  People here are worse than Trump, speculating that he unleashes hurricanes and shit.  
 

Biden didn’t cause Netanyahu to become a corrupt madman who stocked his cabinet with biblical, racist warmongers; nor did he  appease Hezbollah.  Shit’s been raging for decades.  

[InnZoneU]

On 10/1/2024 at 11:04 AM, The Barber said:

President Biden is the "leader of the free world".

The United States has a lot of influence over things, as we have (1) the largest military in the world, and (2) the largest economy in the world ---economic sanctions are a real weapon.

This isn't about "waiving a magic wand".   It is about stepping up as the leader of the free world, and trying to ratchet down things from a massive war in the middle east.   Do you want another war?  Me neither.

We have a lot of sway over what Israel does.  Or maybe I have that part reversed.

LMFAO.  Grow up.

[Orange]

On 10/1/2024 at 10:27 AM, jdgaucho said:

 

Or Biden and Harris appeasing Iran.

What a fucking idiot you are.  

[The Barber]

On 10/1/2024 at 11:05 AM, InnZoneU said:

LMFAO.  Grow up.

Substantive answer. 

Great talk.

[renoskier]

On 10/1/2024 at 10:58 AM, The Barber said:

Biden really should be taking a leadership role in trying to deescalate, but not sure if he is mentally capable of doing this.

Harris is too politically afraid to say anything.  She is worried about angering certain democrats who hate Israel, and also worried about angering Muslims in swing states.

umm...how do you know he isn't?

[Madmartigan]

On 10/1/2024 at 12:08 PM, renoskier said:

umm...how do you know he isn't?

He could be, it's not tapioca yogurt cup + nap time at the White House yet. (Sorry, I had to throw one ageist joke in). In all seriousness, I am sure he is working behind the scenes to help resolve this best he can. 

[The Barber]

On 10/1/2024 at 11:08 AM, renoskier said:

umm...how do you know he isn't?

Maybe he has to do something other than politely ask people to stop.  Use the tools the US has at its disposal to influence the outcome we prefer.

We spend a lot of money in the middle east.

 

 

https://www.barrons.com/news/israel-defies-a-nervous-biden-administration-08d74edd

Israel Defies A Nervous Biden Administration

 

Despite US calls to avert a ground offensive in Lebanon, Israel has begun "targeted" raids on the country -- more proof that Washington has been unable to rein in its ally, amid fears of a wider Middle East conflict.

The US president indicated Monday that he was opposed to Israeli ground operations in Lebanon, calling for a ceasefire as tensions spiralled after the assassination of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah.

 

 

And the Israeli military confirmed early Tuesday that it had indeed launched "ground raids" on villages in southern Lebanon.

It felt like deja vu all over again.

Every time the United States calls for a negotiated solution or a ceasefire, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu seems to respond by ramping up his military offensive

[gordonsolie]

On 10/1/2024 at 2:01 PM, InnZoneU said:

LMFAO there are some clowns here who think Biden has control over everything that goes on everywhere.  FFS.  The fck you want him to do, go wave a magic wand and make all the bad go away?  Oh and this war has been going on for centuries.

Can really trace the whole Iran mess back to the 50s when we got assbent over the nationalization of Iran’s oil. The CIA coup caused a lot of hurt feelers…people forget that Iran under the Shah and Israel were quite close.

I guess we should have shot Khomeini in Paris too. Might have helped. 

[Madmartigan]

On 10/1/2024 at 12:16 PM, East Village Poltergeist said:

Can really trace the whole Iran mess back to the 50s when we got assbent over the nationalization of Iran’s oil. The CIA coup caused a lot of hurt feelers…people forget that Iran under the Shah and Israel were quite close.

I guess we should have shot Khomeini in Paris too. Might have helped. 

Man the CIA was a coup machine for awhile there. 

[Orange]

On 10/1/2024 at 11:14 AM, The Barber said:

Maybe he has to do something other than politely ask people to stop.  Use the tools the US has at its disposal to influence the outcome we prefer.

We spend a lot of money in the middle east.

 

 

https://www.barrons.com/news/israel-defies-a-nervous-biden-administration-08d74edd

Israel Defies A Nervous Biden Administration

 

Despite US calls to avert a ground offensive in Lebanon, Israel has begun "targeted" raids on the country -- more proof that Washington has been unable to rein in its ally, amid fears of a wider Middle East conflict.

The US president indicated Monday that he was opposed to Israeli ground operations in Lebanon, calling for a ceasefire as tensions spiralled after the assassination of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah.

 

 

And the Israeli military confirmed early Tuesday that it had indeed launched "ground raids" on villages in southern Lebanon.

It felt like deja vu all over again.

Every time the United States calls for a negotiated solution or a ceasefire, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu seems to respond by ramping up his military offensive

Maybe your beef is with fellow Americans.  Harris could lose by 200 electoral votes if she decides to throw Israel under the bus and stop funding their military completely (which is what we’d have to do to stop Israel from defending its borders).  

[AlpineSummer]

On 10/1/2024 at 11:58 AM, The Barber said:

Biden really should be taking a leadership role in trying to deescalate, but not sure if he is mentally capable of doing this.

Harris is too politically afraid to say anything.  She is worried about angering certain democrats who hate Israel, and also worried about angering Muslims in swing states.

And, what would that diplomacy entail?  Would it involve time travel back before Israel's precipitating actions?  That's probably the only thing that would work.  What words would a presidential candidate w/very limited powers to influence use to quell the conflict?  
 

 

[gordonsolie]

On 10/1/2024 at 2:28 PM, Madmartigan said:

Man the CIA was a coup machine for awhile there. 

Especially around that time period. 

[Billings]

On 10/1/2024 at 11:16 AM, East Village Poltergeist said:

Can really trace the whole Iran mess back to the 50s when we got assbent over the nationalization of Iran’s oil. The CIA coup caused a lot of hurt feelers…people forget that Iran under the Shah and Israel were quite close.

I guess we should have shot Khomeini in Paris too. Might have helped. 

Frankly I understand why they don't like us