east coast port strike

[happycamper]

On 10/2/2024 at 9:57 AM, East Village Poltergeist said:

But how many don’t utilize overtime? Knowing what I do about the docks around here, I’m reckoning it’s not a material number. Everyone uses it…when half make over $150k/year, that’s not exactly an underutilized process. Not to mention…things like this aren’t always clear when OT is counted…I can’t tell you the number of target calls I’ve sat in on where shoddy OT processes are bemoaned lulz 

doesn't really matter. making 150k when your base is 85k just means that you're ruining your health and social life for work. that's worth striking on its own end. 

also pay people what they're worth lol. if they were worth that in 2018 they're worth a lot more now. 

On 10/2/2024 at 9:57 AM, East Village Poltergeist said:

I think this is grandstanding just to grandstand. Automation is the way of the future in industries such as this, and the fact one dude with mafia connections is putting the screws to the county trying to stem an impossible tide is a dickheaded move. I don’t doubt they work hard for the money, but it’s not like they’re getting paid minimum wage for their work…they’re handsomely compensated as it is. 

they're already had significant automation and labor saving technology added. it's never going to be fully automated. and the longshoremen that remain ought to get paid

On 10/2/2024 at 9:57 AM, East Village Poltergeist said:

Hopefully this spurs more investment in automated technologies so these problems can be averted in the future. 

eh. if all that cost savings flowed to consumers and the remaining workers as much as to port owners sure. otherwise why? so a 200 millionaire can be a 225 millionaire? i think i'd rather have a few thousand well paying working class jobs remain lol

[bornontheblue]

On 10/2/2024 at 7:57 AM, East Village Poltergeist said:

Hopefully this spurs more investment in automated technologies so these problems can be averted in the future. 

[gordonsolie]

On 10/2/2024 at 10:02 AM, happycamper said:

doesn't really matter. making 150k when your base is 85k just means that you're ruining your health and social life for work. that's worth striking on its own end. 

also pay people what they're worth lol. if they were worth that in 2018 they're worth a lot more now. 

they're already had significant automation and labor saving technology added. it's never going to be fully automated. and the longshoremen that remain ought to get paid

eh. if all that cost savings flowed to consumers and the remaining workers as much as to port owners sure. otherwise why? so a 200 millionaire can be a 225 millionaire? i think i'd rather have a few thousand well paying working class jobs remain lol

The mob controls that entire waterfront on both sides of the river…there’s a lot of guys collecting 6 figures from the friendly confines of their local social clubs lulz. Im not really anti-mafia either, they’re usually civically minded lulz, at least locally.

Just saying…I don’t have much sympathy for dudes making a mountain of cash as it is, whining about getting more. If they were making $10/hour, sure…but they make a ton as it is, especially on both sides of the river here.

 

 

[bornontheblue]

On 10/2/2024 at 8:02 AM, happycamper said:

doesn't really matter. making 150k when your base is 85k just means that you're ruining your health and social life for work. that's worth striking on its own end. 

also pay people what they're worth lol. if they were worth that in 2018 they're worth a lot more now. 

they're already had significant automation and labor saving technology added. it's never going to be fully automated. and the longshoremen that remain ought to get paid

eh. if all that cost savings flowed to consumers and the remaining workers as much as to port owners sure. otherwise why? so a 200 millionaire can be a 225 millionaire? i think i'd rather have a few thousand well paying working class jobs remain lol

Ok. SO they can grab the american economy by the balls because they declined a 50 percent pay raise and hold out for a 75 percent pay raise. 

Try holding to this position when a school teacher making 43,000 a year and can barely afford rent now has to pay 7.50 a gallon for gas, or a single mom has to take a part time janitor position at night to keep her kids fed and clothed. 

Nah , fuck them. The american worker and consumer will get much more value out of automation. Replace them with fixed assets. 

 

 

[RSF]

That's harsh.  The longshoremen's union is just a group of good family men...

[Orange]

On 10/2/2024 at 7:43 AM, bornontheblue said:

Ok. SO they can grab the american economy by the balls because they declined a 50 percent pay raise and hold out for a 75 percent pay raise. 

Try holding to this position when a school teacher making 43,000 a year and can barely afford rent now has to pay 7.50 a gallon for gas, or a single mom has to take a part time janitor position at night to keep her kids fed and clothed. 

Nah , fuck them. The american worker and consumer will get much more value out of automation. Replace them with fixed assets. 

 

 

Imagine blaming other workers because fat cats in boardrooms or the GOP congressmen denied pay and benefits to a different area of the economy. This is class warfare, and it’s the rich hammering you on the head and insisting that you blame other poor people. Classic fucking stupid ass Americans refusing to see who their true enemies are.

 

also, where is gas $7.50 per gallon? Do you always have to lie to make your points?

[happycamper]

On 10/2/2024 at 10:43 AM, bornontheblue said:

Ok. SO they can grab the american economy by the balls because they declined a 50 percent pay raise and hold out for a 75 percent pay raise. 

i mean yeah. it's called leverage. they do one of the most important jobs to the economy lol. 

On 10/2/2024 at 10:43 AM, bornontheblue said:

Try holding to this position when a school teacher making 43,000 a year and can barely afford rent now has to pay 7.50 a gallon for gas, or a single mom has to take a part time janitor position at night to keep her kids fed and clothed. 

uh, ok. that was pretty easy lol. "bornontheblue's community doesn't value education" and "bornontheblue doesn't know how much gas is or where and how it is imported" doesn't really hit much

On 10/2/2024 at 10:43 AM, bornontheblue said:

Nah , fuck them. The american worker and consumer will get much more value out of automation. Replace them with fixed assets. 

lol yeah. the current "either you work a white collar job in a city you can't afford or 17 hours a week at dollar general" model is working great

[bornontheblue]

On 10/2/2024 at 8:53 AM, Orange said:

also, where is gas $7.50 per gallon? Do you always have to lie to make your points?

Do you understand that we still import the majority of our oil that is refined into gasoline from overseas. 

Do you need me to help you any further here or can you pick it up from there? 

I have no problem with unions negotiating a better wage, but  I'm sorry the longshoremen are being greedy and making actually expediting their irrelevancy. 

 

[gordonsolie]

On 10/2/2024 at 10:46 AM, RSF said:

That's harsh.  The longshoremen's union is just a group of good family men...

I have no problems with the mob running things…shit usually gets done. As it is, the Genoveses control both the waterfront and a lot of the big construction sites in Manhattan. 

Just calling it for what it is lulz. 

[stanfordchef]

On 10/2/2024 at 7:46 AM, RSF said:

That's harsh.  The longshoremen's union is just a group of good family men...

 

[RSF]

On 10/2/2024 at 9:58 AM, East Village Poltergeist said:

I have no problems with the mob running things…shit usually gets done. As it is, the Genoveses control both the waterfront and a lot of the big construction sites in Manhattan. 

Just calling it for what it is lulz. 

Billionaire fat cats, those Genoveses....

[RSF]

On 10/2/2024 at 9:58 AM, Joe from Wyo said:

 

That's EVP on the left...

[bornontheblue]

On 10/2/2024 at 8:56 AM, happycamper said:

i mean yeah. it's called leverage. they do one of the most important jobs to the economy lol. 

Moving goods around is the important part, who does it is irrelevant. If it becomes cheaper to use automation we will all benefit. 

On 10/2/2024 at 8:56 AM, happycamper said:

bornontheblue's community doesn't value education"

I know many hardworking teachers in my community that really struggle to get by. Their job is much more relevant to society than someone who can use an xbox controller to operate a crane.  Automate their jobs away now please. 

 

[gordonsolie]

On 10/2/2024 at 10:59 AM, RSF said:

That's EVP on the left...

Honest business guy I am lulz 

[stanfordchef]

On 10/2/2024 at 8:02 AM, East Village Poltergeist said:

Honest business guy I am lulz 

This fuckin guy…

[happycamper]

On 10/2/2024 at 11:01 AM, bornontheblue said:

Moving goods around is the important part, who does it is irrelevant. If it becomes cheaper to use automation we will all benefit. 

i mean, literally not all, because that's tens of thousands of well paying blue collar jobs gone.

hundreds of millions will barely (probably unnoticeably) benefit, one or two will barely benefit, and tens of thousands will be significantly harmed

i'm not a luddite but i'm also not burying my head in the sand when it comes to the consequences of these things

On 10/2/2024 at 11:01 AM, bornontheblue said:

I know many hardworking teachers in my community that really struggle to get by. Their job is much more relevant to society than someone who can use an xbox controller to operate a crane.  Automate their jobs away now please. 

 

i mean, if you actually thought that, you'd be posting more about teachers getting paid more than the one time longshoremen strike in your lifetime lol

[bornontheblue]

On 10/2/2024 at 9:05 AM, happycamper said:

i mean, literally not all, because that's tens of thousands of well paying blue collar jobs gone.

hundreds of millions will barely (probably unnoticeably) benefit, one or two will barely benefit, and tens of thousands will be significantly harmed

i'm not a luddite but i'm also not burying my head in the sand when it comes to the consequences of these things

I have no idea what you are trying to say here, or what the point is that you are trying to make.  

On 10/2/2024 at 9:05 AM, happycamper said:

i mean, if you actually thought that, you'd be posting more about teachers getting paid more than the one time longshoremen strike in your lifetime lol

I support teachers getting a significant pay increase. They are much more deserving of it than some dolt that can lift things up and put them back down. 

[happycamper]

On 10/2/2024 at 11:08 AM, bornontheblue said:

I have no idea what you are trying to say here, or what the point is that you are trying to make.  

uh, that automation gives a very small benefit to most and extremely localized pain to a few. overall the monetary value of the very small benefit is higher than the extremely localized pain. but not to the thousands of families it knocks down the socioeconomic ladder lol

On 10/2/2024 at 11:08 AM, bornontheblue said:

I support teachers getting a significant pay increase. They are much more deserving of it than some dolt that can lift things up and put them back down. 

and it only took the east coast longshoremen striking for you to say something about it 🥰 see? strikes do all sorts of good

[gordonsolie]

On 10/2/2024 at 11:04 AM, Joe from Wyo said:

This fuckin guy…

We’ll discuss that thing later lulz 

[gordonsolie]

On 10/2/2024 at 11:08 AM, bornontheblue said:

I have no idea what you are trying to say here, or what the point is that you are trying to make.  

I support teachers getting a significant pay increase. They are much more deserving of it than some dolt that can lift things up and put them back down. 

I think teachers get screwed by collective bargaining…but that’s a different topic for a different time lulz