Republicans: Party of the Rural Poors

[Sactowndog]

On 9/30/2024 at 6:21 PM, Orange said:

The dem party is offering free college to help people help Themselves.  They’re offering childcare to help people get to work. They’re offering universal healthcare which encourages people who rely on work healthcare to quit and start a business. I’m so sick of this “democrats just run on food stamps” bullshit (as if feeding people is bad). 
 

 

 

yes healthcare helps and childcare helps if you have a job.

 

[RSF]

On 9/30/2024 at 8:25 PM, Orange said:

Leftist democrats have been advocating for free (or close to free) state college for eons.  
 

You know, like how boomers had it.  

They did? 

That's a surprise to both my parents.

[The Barber]

On 9/30/2024 at 7:55 PM, The San Diegan said:

Rural poors are my favorite kind tho tbh. Way less stabby and crack-smokey than urban poors. 

Corn fed white trash > the meth fed white trash

 

[Just_Chris]

On 10/1/2024 at 5:03 PM, InnZoneU said:

They both hate immigrants and fegs.  But i get what you're saying, I grew up around the same thing in SoCal.

That actually probably tracks, looking back our high school basketball games were full of vile and filthy chants from the student section. To make matters worse we were actually really good so that brought out the real degenerates 

[InnZoneU]

On 10/2/2024 at 1:44 PM, Just_Chris said:

That actually probably tracks, looking back our high school basketball games were full of vile and filthy chants from the student section. To make matters worse we were actually really good so that brought out the real degenerates 

Yeah I went to HS in late 80s and everyone hated everyone then too.

The one thing I learned is that sports is the great Kumbaya.  If you can play.  You get respect.  No matter who.

[Just_Chris]

On 10/2/2024 at 2:00 PM, InnZoneU said:

Yeah I went to HS in late 80s and everyone hated everyone then too.

The one thing I learned is that sports is the great Kumbaya.  If you can play.  You get respect.  No matter who.

I had a friend who played at an SEC school for hoops and he once told me the looks he would get from dads who were rooting for him to make baskets but weren't too thrilled with their daughters bringing him home were something. He also played professionally in Europe and told me even as an average player over there he was a god. The teams took care of everything, apartment, car, food, obviously medical and all the other good stuff. 

[Orange]

On 10/2/2024 at 8:51 AM, RSF said:

They did? 

That's a surprise to both my parents.

College was subsidized post-WW2 to the point of being virtually free in much of the U.S.

https://peoplesworld.org/article/free-college-was-once-the-norm-all-over-america/

 

Countless numbers of lawmakers, for example, got their educations at free colleges that they now say are out of reach to the nation’s students.

One of the best examples was the City University of New York whose many four year colleges and community colleges were tuition free until the late 1960’s. They even had an open admissions policy resulting in not just the admission of minority students but the opening of their doors to countless white working-class students.

 

And of course, Republicans can't stand that shit, so tuition increased by hundreds of percentage points since the 1970s:

 

In California, Ronald Reagan (who would later become president of the United States) was elected governor of California in 1966 and proposed that the University of California system should charge tuition to attend college. In his words, this was to “get rid of undesirables […] those who are there to carry signs and not to study might think twice to carry picket signs.”  

[Orange]

@RSF, Do you know how fucking obnoxious you are with your grade-school emoji reactions whenever anyone dares to provide supporting evidence in disagreeing with you?

[RSF]

On 10/3/2024 at 10:49 AM, Orange said:

College was subsidized post-WW2 to the point of being virtually free in much of the U.S.

https://peoplesworld.org/article/free-college-was-once-the-norm-all-over-america/

 

Countless numbers of lawmakers, for example, got their educations at free colleges that they now say are out of reach to the nation’s students.

One of the best examples was the City University of New York whose many four year colleges and community colleges were tuition free until the late 1960’s. They even had an open admissions policy resulting in not just the admission of minority students but the opening of their doors to countless white working-class students.

 

And of course, Republicans can't stand that shit, so tuition increased by hundreds of percentage points since the 1970s:

 

In California, Ronald Reagan (who would later become president of the United States) was elected governor of California in 1966 and proposed that the University of California system should charge tuition to attend college. In his words, this was to “get rid of undesirables […] those who are there to carry signs and not to study might think twice to carry picket signs.”  

Lol...1 school...and a proposal.  It wasnt free.  I had 2 parents attend Northern Illinois and 3 aunts attend Purdue - all in the 50s and 60s.  There was less debt then for 2 reasons - 1) different mindset (people actually save money, even when they didnt have very much)and 2) yes, education costs have risen far faster than incomes.  Which is not carte blanche to borrow without thinking then expect somebody else to pick up the tab.  Go to a place you can afford (still plenty of them out there) or be prepared to work your ass off to pay it.

[RSF]

On 10/3/2024 at 10:58 AM, Orange said:

@RSF, Do you know how fucking obnoxious you are with your grade-school emoji reactions whenever anyone dares to provide supporting evidence in disagreeing with you?

Sure do....with a great level of success, I might add.  especially with known rage monsters.

 

 

And what supporting evidence?

[Orange]

On 10/3/2024 at 8:59 AM, RSF said:

Lol...1 school...and a proposal.  It wasnt free.  I had 2 parents attend Northern Illinois and 3 aunts attend Purdue - all in the 50s and 60s.  There was less debt then for 2 reasons - 1) different mindset (people actually save money, even when they didnt have very much)and 2) yes, education costs have risen far faster than incomes.  Which is not carte blanche to borrow without thinking then expect somebody else to pick up the tab.

Sorry, you misspelled, “the government subsidized public college tuition and then ended that practice and went to a for-profit model that resulted in a 300% increase in tuition costs from the Boomer generation to Gen Z.”

My example of tuition costs in public schools at the 3rd largest state in the US was illustrative, not comprehensive.  CA had the same model.

“pEoPlE nEeD to SaVe morE bEtTer”
 

  You’re a fucking shitposter

[RSF]

On 10/3/2024 at 11:02 AM, Orange said:

Sorry, you misspelled, “the government subsidized public college tuition and then ended that practice and went to a for-profit model that resulted in a 300% increase in tuition costs from the Boomer generation to Gen Z.”

My example of tuition costs in public schools at the 3rd largest state in the US was illustrative, not comprehensive.  CA had the same model.

“pEoPlE nEeD to SaVe morE bEtTer”
 

  You’re a fucking shitposter

Hey genius...the government still subsidizes public college tuition.  That's why public schools are cheaper than private ones.  Did your CPUSA website tell you that, too?

[Orange]

On 10/3/2024 at 9:07 AM, RSF said:

Hey genius...the government still subsidizes public college tuition.  That's why public schools are cheaper than private ones.  Did your CPUSA website tell you that, too?

Jesus you’re an obnoxious little shit. 
 

https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2019/10/two-decades-of-change-in-federal-and-state-higher-education-funding#:~:text=States and the federal government,education system in different ways.

States and the federal government have long provided substantial financial support for higher education, but in recent years, their respective levels of contribution have shifted significantly.[1]Historically, states provided a far greater share of assistance to postsecondary institutions and students than the federal government did: In 1990 state per student funding was almost 140 percent more than that of the federal government. However, over the past two decades and particularly since the Great Recession, spending across levels of government converged as state investments declined, particularly in general purpose support for institutions, and federal ones grew, largely driven by increases in the need-based Pell Grant financial aid program. As a result, the gap has narrowed considerably, and state funding per student in 2015 was only 12 percent above federal levels.[2]

 

[RSF]

On 10/3/2024 at 11:10 AM, Orange said:

Jesus you’re an obnoxious little shit. 
 

https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2019/10/two-decades-of-change-in-federal-and-state-higher-education-funding#:~:text=States and the federal government,education system in different ways.

States and the federal government have long provided substantial financial support for higher education, but in recent years, their respective levels of contribution have shifted significantly.[1]Historically, states provided a far greater share of assistance to postsecondary institutions and students than the federal government did: In 1990 state per student funding was almost 140 percent more than that of the federal government. However, over the past two decades and particularly since the Great Recession, spending across levels of government converged as state investments declined, particularly in general purpose support for institutions, and federal ones grew, largely driven by increases in the need-based Pell Grant financial aid program. As a result, the gap has narrowed considerably, and state funding per student in 2015 was only 12 percent above federal levels.[2]

 

Which doesnt refute what I said.  Do states not have governments now?  But you keep at it....

[Orange]

On 10/2/2024 at 8:33 AM, Sactowndog said:

 

 

yes healthcare helps and childcare helps if you have a job.

 

No fucking idea what point you think you’re making with this reply. 

[Orange]

On 10/3/2024 at 9:13 AM, RSF said:

Which doesnt refute what I said.  Do states not have governments now?  But you keep at it....

Your point that the big problem is kids not saving enough?   That dumb fucking point?

 

States have dramatically cut subsidies for state schools and shifted the burden almost entirely to tuition.  It’s the main cause for boomers getting $369 tuition in 1969, and my kids likely facing $12k annually in Oregon for the UofO.   

[HR_poke]

On 9/30/2024 at 10:55 PM, The San Diegan said:

Rural poors are my favorite kind tho tbh. Way less stabby and crack-smokey than urban poors. 

But a lot more shooty and meth smokey...

[RSF]

On 10/3/2024 at 11:15 AM, Orange said:

Your point that the big problem is kids not saving enough?   That dumb fucking point?

 

States have dramatically cut subsidies for state schools and shifted the burden almost entirely to tuition.  It’s the main cause for boomers getting $369 tuition in 1969, and my kids likely facing $12k annually in Oregon for the UofO.   

who said anything about the kids saving?  You missed a lot of other stuff too.

 

you really cant read can you. 
 

and you might want to look at salaries 1969 too.  That’s a part of the equation.  But I know simple equations befuddle you

 

and if you can’t handle UO, don’t send them there.  Or look in the mirror and figure out why you can’t afford it.  Quit blaming others for your own inadequacies

[stanfordchef]

On 10/3/2024 at 9:15 AM, Orange said:

Your point that the big problem is kids not saving enough?   That dumb fucking point?

 

States have dramatically cut subsidies for state schools and shifted the burden almost entirely to tuition.  It’s the main cause for boomers getting $369 tuition in 1969, and my kids likely facing $12k annually in Oregon for the UofO.   

Just use WUE and have them go to like UMontana or NAU or something for a lesser cost. Humboldt may even give resident tuition to everyone these days. That place is cool af and cheap relatively speaking. 
 

doesn’t UO offer merit scholarships? Idk. If not lots of private obscure scholarships out there. Never too early to start digging for the free money. 

[HR_poke]

On 10/3/2024 at 9:53 PM, Joe from Wyo said:

Just use WUE and have them go to like UMontana or NAU or something for a lesser cost. 
 

doesn’t UO offer merit scholarships? Idk. If not lots of private obscure scholarships out there. Never too early to start digging for the free money. 

My wife used the WUE to go to Wyoming. She ended up with a total of 20k in student loans for 4.5 years. While her friends all went to Oregon State and U of O and were all saddled with nearly 70k in student loans.