Judge Chutkan allows Special Counsel to file 180-page brief laying out case against Trump

[Just_Chris]

On 10/2/2024 at 4:11 PM, AlpineSummer said:

The trial on the original indictment should have began months back. 

How much of that is on Garland for not wanting to look like he was doing Biden's bidding, have to think if he wasn't Ichabod Crane for the first year he was in office this matter would have been settled at least a year ago if not longer. 

[stanfordchef]

On 10/2/2024 at 5:29 PM, AlpineSummer said:

I haven't read the superceding indictment yet.  Kind of started working on taxes today. So, all I have caught is the talking heads.  I read the original indictment, but damn that was a while back.  Jack Smith is a mensch.  Hope it's enough and not moot via '24 election. 

As a heeb I love that you used “mensch” lol. I agree with your overall point though. I haven’t read the whole thing yet either but what I have has been pretty scathing. 

[AlpineSummer]

On 10/2/2024 at 7:06 PM, Just_Chris said:

How much of that is on Garland for not wanting to look like he was doing Biden's bidding, have to think if he wasn't Ichabod Crane for the first year he was in office this matter would have been settled at least a year ago if not longer. 

I don't have an absolute position on that.  I've read some detailed stuff, esp. from Marcy Wheeler, on the complexity and investigative time required. The first actions of the DoJ on J6 were a phone subpoena in late Jan '21, and subsequent ones on Kraken and Giuliani took months each.  The House J6 report didn't get published until Dec. 2022 and that was a hold up.  

Anyway, the Court made that all moot.  It's the election now that matters whether or not this indictment goes to trial. 

[AlpineSummer]

On 10/2/2024 at 7:31 PM, Joe from Wyo said:

As a heeb I love that you used “mensch” lol. I agree with your overall point though. I haven’t read the whole thing yet either but what I have has been pretty scathing. 

Just started reading.  Opening quoted below link.  My Catholic to Jewish liturgy connections plus my retired Denver lawyer friend (his favorite compliment) -- lead me to the mensch tag.  I think it's a great way to compliment those worthy. 
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148.252.0.pdf

"The defendant asserts that he is immune from prosecution for his criminal scheme to overturn the 2020 presidential election because, he claims, it entailed official conduct. Not so. Although the defendant was the incumbent President during the charged conspiracies, his scheme was fundamentally a private one. Working with a team of private co-conspirators, the defendant acted as a candidate when he pursued multiple criminal means to disrupt, through fraud and deceit, the government function by which votes are collected and counted—a function in which the defendant, as President, had no official role. In Trump v. United States, 144 S. Ct. 2312 (2024), the Supreme Court held that presidents are immune from prosecution for certain official conduct— including the defendant’s use of the Justice Department in furtherance of his scheme, as was alleged in the original indictment—and remanded to this Court to determine whether the remaining allegations against the defendant are immunized. The answer to that question is no. This motion provides a comprehensive account of the defendant’s private criminal conduct; sets forth the legal framework created by Trump for resolving immunity claims; applies that framework to establish that none of the defendant’s charged conduct is immunized because it either was unofficial or any presumptive immunity is rebutted; and requests the relief the Government seeks, which is, at bottom, this: that the Court determine that the defendant must stand trial for his private crimes..."

So, that's the context for the details.  I'll get through them eventually. 

[Orange]

On 10/2/2024 at 4:11 PM, AlpineSummer said:

The trial on the original indictment should have began months back. 

Fuckin Merrill garland sure turned out to be a pathetic AG. 

[The Barber]

On 10/3/2024 at 7:19 AM, Orange said:

Fuckin Merrill garland sure turned out to be a pathetic AG. 

*Merrick

[Orange]

On 10/3/2024 at 8:09 AM, The Barber said:

*Merrick

Autocorrect, but I didn't feel like editing.  That's how exasperated I am with the guy.

[stanfordchef]

On 10/3/2024 at 7:19 AM, Orange said:

Fuckin Merrill garland sure turned out to be a pathetic AG. 

He has no balls 

[The Barber]

On 10/3/2024 at 8:42 AM, Orange said:

Autocorrect, but I didn't feel like editing.  That's how exasperated I am with the guy.

It's like they gave him the job because they felt bad about the Supreme Court thing.

Maybe they should have given it to a younger person with more energy.

The guy looks very tired all the time.

[The Barber]

On 10/3/2024 at 8:45 AM, Joe from Wyo said:

He has no balls 

Might explain why he appears to have low T

[Orange]

On 10/3/2024 at 9:10 AM, The Barber said:

It's like they gave him the job because they felt bad about the Supreme Court thing.

Maybe they should have given it to a younger person with more energy.

The guy looks very tired all the time.

Fucking boomers need to get out of the way.  

[AlpineSummer]

Great armchair analysis.  Here is Marcy's:

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/merrick-garland-isnt-blame-delays-trumps-election-interference-case-rcna141213

 

[masterfrog]

I always questioned his decision making. Like Sandoval taking the Presidency of the University of Nevada, who gives up a job with a lifetime appointment for a job that can end at a moment’s notice?

[Orange]

On 10/3/2024 at 9:51 AM, masterfrog said:

I always questioned his decision making. Like Sandoval taking the Presidency of the University of Nevada, who gives up a job with a lifetime appointment for a job that can end at a moment’s notice?

AG is powerful as fuck and sought-after by most judges. 

[renoskier]

On 10/3/2024 at 9:51 AM, masterfrog said:

I always questioned his decision making. Like Sandoval taking the Presidency of the University of Nevada, who gives up a job with a lifetime appointment for a job that can end at a moment’s notice?

huh? he gave up the Federal judgeship to become a very popular two-time Nevada Governor.

[Orange]

On 10/3/2024 at 10:06 AM, renoskier said:

huh? he gave up the Federal judgeship to become a very popular two-time Nevada Governor.

I think he’s talking about Garland.  

[masterfrog]

On 10/3/2024 at 12:06 PM, renoskier said:

huh? he gave up the Federal judgeship to become a very popular two-time Nevada Governor.

When you get appointed to be a Federal Judge it is kind of implied that it will be your last job. Some of them move up the chain to the appeals court or the Supreme Court, but it is a very powerful position that is given a lifetime appointment so they don’t have to play politics with their position. 

[renoskier]

On 10/3/2024 at 11:09 AM, masterfrog said:

When you get appointed to be a Federal Judge it is kind of implied that it will be your last job. Some of them move up the chain to the appeals court or the Supreme Court, but it is a very powerful position that is given a lifetime appointment so they don’t have to play politics with their position. 

Yeah...that's not what he wanted, he was more ambitious 

and he didn't leave the judgeship for the Univ or Nevada presidency

 

[SalinasSpartan]

On 10/3/2024 at 11:09 AM, masterfrog said:

When you get appointed to be a Federal Judge it is kind of implied that it will be your last job. Some of them move up the chain to the appeals court or the Supreme Court, but it is a very powerful position that is given a lifetime appointment so they don’t have to play politics with their position. 

“Don’t have to play politics”

lol

[azgreg]