Pac-2 to Poach MWC

[SleepingGiantFan]

On 11/27/2024 at 4:51 PM, Headbutt said:

Creighton is not in the picture.  That's just crazy talk.  Memphis absolutely is.  In order to get them some other teams will need to be added to make it work.  Wichita State, along with some Texas schools fit that picture.  We'll see.

No.

1. Even the MW didn't want Wichita.

2. The immediate need is for another FT member and if Wichita even has a football program it's news to me.

3. Wichita is, or was, known for basketball but that ended when Gregg Marshall retired a few years ago.

4. If I'm wrong about that, kindly provide a link.

5. Happy Thanksgiving!

[BroncoInferno]

On 11/28/2024 at 3:36 PM, SleepingGiantFan said:

No.

1. Even the MW didn't want Wichita.

2. The immediate need is for another FT member and if Wichita even has a football program it's news to me.

3. Wichita is, or was, known for basketball but that ended when Gregg Marshall retired a few years ago.

4. If I'm wrong about that, kindly provide a link.

5. Happy Thanksgiving!

I think Gregg Marshall was fired for abusive behavior, but no link.

[Headbutt]

On 11/28/2024 at 3:36 PM, SleepingGiantFan said:

No.

1. Even the MW didn't want Wichita.

2. The immediate need is for another FT member and if Wichita even has a football program it's news to me.

3. Wichita is, or was, known for basketball but that ended when Gregg Marshall retired a few years ago.

4. If I'm wrong about that, kindly provide a link.

5. Happy Thanksgiving!

Wichita State offers that bridge between Fort Collins and Memphis that everyone feels is so important.  No need to go after Wichita, except to make things more attractive to Memphis.  I'm all in on Tulane and Texas State, but whatever it takes to spread the map east to give the conference the opportunity to avoid any more MWC teams is critical.  Memphis never said no.  They said not now, not on those terms.  Gotta' find some midwest teams in order to make this conference go where it's designed to go.  I haven't heard that K-State or the Corn are interested.

BTW, it was my understanding that Wichita didn't want the MWC, not the other way around.

[CowboyFriar]

On 11/28/2024 at 11:36 AM, Spaztecs said:

The time zone issue is solvable by having PST games against CST teams start no later the 8:30 CST.

As to travelling to Wazzu, couldn't many of the lower level events all be done on the same weekend ? Have two Schools come in for the weekend to play Wazzu and Gonzaga? Hold events in Spokane ? The Schools will be staying there. Why not play there instead of busing to Pullman ?

Offer each CST School an opportunity to host the Basketball Tourney during the first contract. 

The solutions abound.

Wasn't the main selling point of the NPac that it could provide content in time slots that other conferences could not?

[UNLV2001]

On 11/28/2024 at 8:36 AM, Spaztecs said:

The time zone issue is solvable by having PST games against CST teams start no later the 8:30 CST.

As to travelling to Wazzu, couldn't many of the lower level events all be done on the same weekend ? Have two Schools come in for the weekend to play Wazzu and Gonzaga? Hold events in Spokane ? The Schools will be staying there. Why not play there instead of busing to Pullman ?

Offer each CST School an opportunity to host the Basketball Tourney during the first contract. 

The solutions abound.

If games aren't going to be on TV, then PT teams could move games up to 6:30 local time.... not sure how that affects attendance 

One positive with WSU is there's a tandem with Gonzaga - Fly into Spokane where Gonzaga is & bus the 90 miles to Pullman 

Not sure Gonazga who wins the regular season wants to go play 2400 miles from home for the conference tourney in Memphis or Wichita or wherever 

If the PAC BB is "that good" they will get tourney offers from better locations than Memphis where 7 teams fans would have to travel 2000+ miles to get there 

 

[UNLV2001]

On 11/28/2024 at 4:15 PM, Headbutt said:

Wichita State offers that bridge between Fort Collins and Memphis that everyone feels is so important.  No need to go after Wichita, except to make things more attractive to Memphis.  I'm all in on Tulane and Texas State, but whatever it takes to spread the map east to give the conference the opportunity to avoid any more MWC teams is critical.  Memphis never said no.  They said not now, not on those terms.  Gotta' find some midwest teams in order to make this conference go where it's designed to go.  I haven't heard that K-State or the Corn are interested.

BTW, it was my understanding that Wichita didn't want the MWC, not the other way around.

As it stands now, the PAC doesn't need a BB only member, the PAC needs a FB member - so either go with Memphis alone to get to 8 FB members to add some TX or other AAC's near Memphis to get to 10 FB teams 

My guess is the PAC will pay dearly if they can only get TX or Memphis as their 8/9/10 --- I'f i'm one of those schools I want full travel & other concessions that make it worth signing on 

best move might just be to grab Sac State & call it good .......urban area, built in rivalry with Fresno & maybe SDSU & easy travel 

[Headbutt]

On 11/28/2024 at 10:27 PM, UNLV2001 said:

As it stands now, the PAC doesn't need a BB only member, the PAC needs a FB member - so either go with Memphis alone to get to 8 FB members to add some TX or other AAC's near Memphis to get to 10 FB teams 

My guess is the PAC will pay dearly if they can only get TX or Memphis as their 8/9/10 --- I'f i'm one of those schools I want full travel & other concessions that make it worth signing on 

best move might just be to grab Sac State & call it good .......urban area, built in rivalry with Fresno & maybe SDSU & easy travel 

LMAO!!  Not an option.

[UNLV2001]

On 11/28/2024 at 9:32 PM, Headbutt said:

LMAO!!  Not an option.

Not sure the PAC has many options if Memphis says no or the PAC doesn't pay a ransom to Memphis 

PAC playing the COME bet (Craps term)  right now..........if the TV $$ aren't that sweet, then Memphis probably not an option ........then it's FCS options or return to the negotiation table with the MWC 

Least Sac State brings a decent metro are & easy travel............Idaho, Montana, S Dakota not so much 

Right now for the PAC it's get Memphis & maybe some TX whoever's or go FCS to fill one FB spot 

[Spaztecs]

On 11/28/2024 at 10:22 PM, UNLV2001 said:

If games aren't going to be on TV, then PT teams could move games up to 6:30 local time.... not sure how that affects attendance 

One positive with WSU is there's a tandem with Gonzaga - Fly into Spokane where Gonzaga is & bus the 90 miles to Pullman 

Not sure Gonazga who wins the regular season wants to go play 2400 miles from home for the conference tourney in Memphis or Wichita or wherever 

If the PAC BB is "that good" they will get tourney offers from better locations than Memphis where 7 teams fans would have to travel 2000+ miles to get there 

 

But it's okay for Memphis to go1600 miles to and Memphis 1700 to get to Vegas ? Their fans deserve an opportunity to have local Tourney as well. Memphis travels well. It's only two Tourneys, what's the big deal ?

I'm sure the fans in the PNW would appreciate a trip to Memphis or NoLa in mid-March to break the winter blues.

[Chalsean]

On 11/28/2024 at 10:27 PM, UNLV2001 said:

My hope is the PAC will pay dearly if they can only get TX or Memphis as their 8/9/10 --- I'f i'm one of those schools I want full travel & other concessions that make it worth signing on 

Fify

[SleepingGiantFan]

On 11/28/2024 at 3:49 PM, BroncoInferno said:

I think Gregg Marshall was fired for abusive behavior, but no link.

I thought the official word was that, just like Brady Hoke, he "retired."

[SleepingGiantFan]

On 11/28/2024 at 9:22 PM, UNLV2001 said:

If games aren't going to be on TV, then PT teams could move games up to 6:30 local time.... not sure how that affects attendance 

One positive with WSU is there's a tandem with Gonzaga - Fly into Spokane where Gonzaga is & bus the 90 miles to Pullman 

Not sure Gonazga who wins the regular season wants to go play 2400 miles from home for the conference tourney in Memphis or Wichita or wherever 

If the PAC BB is "that good" they will get tourney offers from better locations than Memphis where 7 teams fans would have to travel 2000+ miles to get there 

If the nPac can get Memphis and Tulane as it hopes to do, it would have the potential to be the western version of the Big East in basketball. Sure hoops ain't football, but it - and particularly March Madness - are the next best thing.

[SleepingGiantFan]

On 11/28/2024 at 10:37 PM, Spaztecs said:

But it's okay for Memphis to go1600 miles to and Memphis 1700 to get to Vegas ? Their fans deserve an opportunity to have local Tourney as well. Memphis travels well. It's only two Tourneys, what's the big deal ?

I'm sure the fans in the PNW would appreciate a trip to Memphis or NoLa in mid-March to break the winter blues.

I was just in Memphis for a couple of days last month and enjoyed the heck out of it. Friendly folks, lots of nice pubs on Beale Street, etc. Also, although some think the town is a dump, the REAL dump is farther south in N.O.

[Wyobraska]

On 11/29/2024 at 2:49 PM, SleepingGiantFan said:

I was just in Memphis for a couple of days last month and enjoyed the heck out of it. Friendly folks, lots of nice pubs on Beale Street, etc. Also, although some think the town is a dump, the REAL dump is farther south in N.O.

I've never been to Memphis and hope to visit, but I also love New Orleans.  It is kind of a dump but that city is different.  I can't wait to go back at some point. 

[nvspuds]

I was walking in Memphis

With my feet ten feet off of Beale

[BroncoInferno]

On 11/29/2024 at 1:38 PM, SleepingGiantFan said:

I thought the official word was that, just like Brady Hoke, he "retired."

I just used the Googles and Wikipedia said he resigned due to the abuse allegations. So I'd give full credit to both answers.

[VandalPride97]

On 11/29/2024 at 12:27 AM, UNLV2001 said:

As it stands now, the PAC doesn't need a BB only member, the PAC needs a FB member - so either go with Memphis alone to get to 8 FB members to add some TX or other AAC's near Memphis to get to 10 FB teams 

My guess is the PAC will pay dearly if they can only get TX or Memphis as their 8/9/10 --- I'f i'm one of those schools I want full travel & other concessions that make it worth signing on 

best move might just be to grab Sac State & call it good .......urban area, built in rivalry with Fresno & maybe SDSU & easy t

This is the defective thinking that pervades these hypotheticals.  Sac State mustered something like 3 wins this year, their metro market doesn't care about them, yet everyone assumes that due to the size of Sacramento, they're valuable.  

[nvspuds]

On 11/29/2024 at 7:35 PM, VandalPride97 said:

This is the defective thinking that pervades these hypotheticals.  Sac State mustered something like 3 wins this year, their metro market doesn't care about them, yet everyone assumes that due to the size of Sacramento, they're valuable.  

Sac State does provide easy travel and generally warm weather for the outdoor sports.  It is in an excellent recruiting area.  They are in the neighborhood for either the Pac or the MW.  There is value in that.  For those reasons alone they make far more sense than adding an FCS that is way far away, and in a small market just because their football is better.  I, personally, would prefer Davis but I am not sure they are interested.  They provide all the same stuff.

[UNLV2001]

On 11/29/2024 at 7:35 PM, VandalPride97 said:

This is the defective thinking that pervades these hypotheticals.  Sac State mustered something like 3 wins this year, their metro market doesn't care about them, yet everyone assumes that due to the size of Sacramento, they're valuable.  

Similar to UNLV & Las Vegas -- UNLV is somewhat an afterthought to a good % of the local market 

Just like thinking adding Texas State will bring massive TX viewers & interest when what's available in TX is the 6th to 10th in the TX pecking order

[VandalPride97]

Guys, you need to give up this bullshit about bringing Memphis over or helping Sac State make a horrible decision.  Just make a list of schools where a win or loss would emotionally matter to you and go that route.